RE: Fox Farms Owned by Monsanto?

Dr Kynes

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It's more the fact that they imply they're a highly exclusive brand that markets solely to smaller businesses. I'm all for the free market, it's deceptive marketing that bothers me.

I want to get into DIY for my hydro. For now, the GH Maxi line isn't too bad though for non organics. Cheap, balanced, and I have never had PH problems other than due to my own negligence topping off the rez on a hot day. I have some happy frog soil I'm trying out for my outdoor, seems to be pretty good so far. I'm using the generic brand organic amendments from my local feed and garden store outside.
dont hate bro. Fox Farms sell good stuff, and dont play the mass marketing game, not for altruism, but because their shit is better, and costs more than the bags of half composted sawdust. It would be retarded for them to sit on a shelf next to a bag of raw wood chips with a spray coating of cheap fertilizer at half the price (im looking at you miracle grow and scotts), big box shoppers buy on price, real gardening enthusiasts buy on quality. They might get exposure to lots of potential buyers in wal-mart, but they wouldnt sell diddley without a multi-million dollar ad campaign or slashing their price (and inevitably their quality).

No store will ever sell cookies as good as your grandmother's. If she wanted to sell that flavour she would open a small bakery, not an industrial food processing plant. Her cookies will cost 5-10 times more than "Mother's Circus Animals" but they cost more to produce too. Selling to the big store chains requires so many compromises theres lotsa companies who just wont do it. Walmart always ensures that for every increase in their purchasing, the unit cost to them MUST drop. Sure they will buy a lot, but they pay the producer less and less for their work. End Result: producer becomes dependent on Wal-mart because their quality is too low and their margin is too tight to sell to anybody else. Thats also why many manufacturers have walmart only lines, cheap crap sold only to walmart, but their regular shit is the same as it was 30 years ago. Levi's does this, as does Reebok Nike and several other big clothing manufacturers, and (shhhhhhhhh dont tell anybody) food processors. I single out walmart, because they are the worst of the worst in this regard, but EVERY big store chain does this, including Safeway, Raleys, Piggly Wiggly, CVS and Home Depot.
TLDR; but it's for those who dont know.

Moral of the story: If you want the best, buy from a small local shoppe, local butcher, farmer's market or family run business. You're gonna pay way more, but otherwise you'll have to make it yourself.
 

Dr Kynes

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Fox Farms... FoxConn... FoxHound...
I'm starting to see a connection here
keep the nuclear waste away from fox farms, it's a ploy for Foxhound to establish a monopoly over nuclear waste so the DARPA chief doesn't know that Metal Gear will have window boxes...
Adam CROOK? Yeah right. All I read is "Revolver Ocelot"
are you having a stroke bro? should i call an ambulance? or is your shit just that good?

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kpmarine

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Happy Frog is made by Fox Farms.
I'm aware, like I said, no issue with them selling wherever they want. It's a business, money is their goal. I'd buy it even if wal mart carried it too. It's the deceptive marketing in that email that rubs me the wrong way. I will spend extra money on small distributors that help local businesses, and that's what that email portrays them as. It's the "exclusively" that isn't true, that I don't like.
 

MsJazzy

Active Member
I was at Raley's grocery shopping last week, and they had FoxFarm on the shelves in their 1/3 of an isle, garden section.
 

Dr Kynes

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I'm aware, like I said, no issue with them selling wherever they want. It's a business, money is their goal. I'd buy it even if wal mart carried it too. It's the deceptive marketing in that email that rubs me the wrong way. I will spend extra money on small distributors that help local businesses, and that's what that email portrays them as. It's the "exclusively" that isn't true, that I don't like.
really bro, they dont sell in home depot, wal mart or any place like that. the walmart marketplace link you posted is a web reseller of fox farms products (at a stiff markup i might add)thats affiliated with walmart, not fox farms. they are charging $2-$3 more for the liter bottles than my local hydroponics store, plus $8.75 for "shipping and handling" on each product. If the Wal-drones want to pay more for the same shit, then they can do so, but that doesnt make fox farms the wal-mart connection for their products. you will not find fox farms products on any big store's shelves. not even in humboldt county.

you can buy fox farms products on Ebay too, this doesnt mean fox farms is an Ebay partner, or part of the Paypal Cartel.
 

billybob420

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I'm aware, like I said, no issue with them selling wherever they want. It's a business, money is their goal. I'd buy it even if wal mart carried it too. It's the deceptive marketing in that email that rubs me the wrong way. I will spend extra money on small distributors that help local businesses, and that's what that email portrays them as. It's the "exclusively" that isn't true, that I don't like.
You're just totally missing it. The "exclusively" part was about the brick and motar stores..

"sells exclusively to both hydro stores and independently-owned garden centers."

They make no mention of online sales. You expect them to stop all FF products from being sold online?
 

Dr Kynes

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I was at Raley's grocery shopping last week, and they had FoxFarm on the shelves in their 1/3 of an isle, garden section.
wheredat? perhaps a local buyer added it without corporate's participation.

many of the medium-sized and smaller chains and a few of the larger ones (but never wal mart) will allow local buyers to carry a very small selection of products that are popular locally. (egg cremes on the east coast, and monkey paw bananas in areas with large southeast asian populations etc...)
 

MsJazzy

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wheredat? perhaps a local buyer added it without corporate's participation.

many of the medium-sized and smaller chains and a few of the larger ones (but never wal mart) will allow local buyers to carry a very small selection of products that are popular locally. (egg cremes on the east coast, and monkey paw bananas in areas with large southeast asian populations etc...)
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kpmarine

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You're just totally missing it. The "exclusively" part was about the brick and motar stores..

"sells exclusively to both hydro stores and independently-owned garden centers."

They make no mention of online sales. You expect them to stop all FF products from being sold online?
No, I expect them to not be shady with their wording, like I keep saying. Either way, it's not terribly relevant to anything meaningful. They make good stuff overall. It just annoys me when companies try to misrepresent themselves in an attempt to be more appealing.
 

kpmarine

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really bro, they dont sell in home depot, wal mart or any place like that. the walmart marketplace link you posted is a web reseller of fox farms products (at a stiff markup i might add)thats affiliated with walmart, not fox farms. they are charging $2-$3 more for the liter bottles than my local hydroponics store, plus $8.75 for "shipping and handling" on each product. If the Wal-drones want to pay more for the same shit, then they can do so, but that doesnt make fox farms the wal-mart connection for their products. you will not find fox farms products on any big store's shelves. not even in humboldt county.

you can buy fox farms products on Ebay too, this doesnt mean fox farms is an Ebay partner, or part of the Paypal Cartel.
You are totally missing what my issue was. I could give two shits and one fuck whether they sell it from a mud hut in croatia, or multi nationally through large distributors. It's the attempt to paint themselves as a store that sells exclusively (meaning; solely, or to the exclusion of others.) to hydro shops and independently owned garden centers. I'm not hating on their products, or even that they sell to people that don't fit into their demographic of who they say they "exclusively" sell to; it's the fact that they deliberately misrepresented themselves.
 

azryda420

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Fox Farm is legit. Even if they were bought by Monsanto. FF products work very well. They have excellent artistic packaging that is equally as appealing as the end result. I am glad to read this info though. I will continue to buy their products.
 

Metasynth

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I'm glad to hear that fox farms is still independantly owned and operated, I may be guilty of perpetuating this rumour. :( ...In fact, Scotts isn't even actually "owned" by monsanto...They were bought not too long ago by a worldwide compant called ICL(Israel Chemicals Ltd.), an Israeli based chemical and fertilizer company with some exclusive mining rights to the dead sea. In fact, the reason Scotts is considered to be owned by Monsanto is because the are the exclusive agent for worldwide marketing and distribution of RoundUp. Does that mean Monsanto owns Scotts? Technically, no... Realistically, sorta?
 
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