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treegardener

treegardener

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DubB83 said:
I gotta +rep hayduke for being there when I couldn't answer also!

TreeGardener:
What type of medical condition are you trying to treat and what properties of the medicine do you seek? I may be able to help you narrow down a strain. The next problem will be locating a close genetic relative in the area or locating one from a reputable seed company.

USPS is a bad idea, there are other shippers that do not look to closely. But pre-american "terror controlled" world I was able to receive seeds directly from Amsterdam over the USPS with no problems.

Times change, oh well.

Back on the topic, Tree I see you are learning. It takes time to soak up the big stuff and practice will be all that is left. Then it will be just as any other plant.

Hi Dub - Where is everybody anyway. I have some PMs out there that I am waiting for people to answer. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE !

Okay Dub - My condition: I have major depression and for an artist and musician that is deadly because it means you can't be creative if you are down. And in my case I can be down for months and frozen. I can keep a house and shop and take care of my pets, but the creative element is locked up. Pills have too many side effects. It is a joke when the pharmaceutical companies advertise a medicinal product on the air with a whole litany of the possible horrible side effects that you might get. Of course some of these meds are a godsend to many people. I am just not one of them. So, I am not expecting a cure, but I need to get off the ground sometimes to get a better perspective on things and also to get a temporary kickstart on the creativity aspect. Another thing is paranoia. I think there are some strains that cause paranoia more than others. That's a subject in itself.

I don't want to get super analytical when I am high. I think too much as it is. So I am looking for a strain that is not too heavy. It sounds like the Indica with a little splash of Sativa is a good recipe. But I am still reading up on it.

Thanks for asking Dub. I just hope this doesn't end up on Google.

The more I weigh all the elements of my situation - time place, state, city, money, paranoia, etc, growing my own seems like the only route to go with a plan to stay way under the radar. I don't think I am going to be able to find an M.D. who will sign the form for MM. My problem is an acceptable problem, but the docs are scarce in Oregon. They can get run outa town if they participate.

So again - HAPPY NEW YEAR. The winds are howling at my place here on the coast. I love it.

Tree :weed:
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DubB83

DubB83

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That does narrow it down a bit. Your not looking for couch lock so your going to want to harvest before the glands (they look like crystals) start to get cloudy at all. That should be an area of great interest after a few months after the plant has been flowering. The only thing is some people think that the paranoia also comes from the time of harvest, I think it comes from the gov't. I can honestly say that the gov't cannot tell me what to do with a plant any more than God could. I would simply remind them that in the Bible, that seems to be the driving force in this nation to set rules moral rules, states:
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food. Genesis 1:29
Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Genesis 9:3


God gave it to me, how dare the gov't take it away.


I have hopes for the new year and the new presidency. One day the double standards will be over and medical marijuana be used for the exact opposite as cigarettes. To help instead of harm.

I'll start a good search for you looking for specific properties you requested.

Sorry for the rambling, I'm a bit medicated myself.

Personally, in your situation I would invest in a small box with 3 cfls in it. Grow in soil to start, but growth is slower and in my oppinion less productive. You can build a basic DWC (see my twin mother speaker box thread) out of a shoe box and grow a few mother plants, then have another cfl box for cloning/veg growth. By the time you have practiced growing your mother plants and taking clones you should have a good understanding of the plant. This will take a couple of months to get your schedule down but it is the cheapest way to get started. This will give you time to source and build a flowering chamber. I would recommend a cheap HPS converted into remote ballasted with a cool tube (Pyrex Bake-A-Round) and bathroom fans for air flow. Supplment that with warm CFLs and you should have a nice harvest if you grow using the SoG (Sea of Green) method flowering in SOLO brand plastic cups and use the "lollipoping" method (basically remove the lower "sucker" branches as if it were a tomato plant to create one big long branch that turns into one big bud).

I'll return in the evening.

Happy New Year!
 
del66666

del66666

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Bluediemond said:
I'm a first time grower. Want to hear something really shocking? I don't smoke!

I'm goofing off as a hobby. I have no use for the weed or the results, I just wanted to try something new.

I spent several hours on forums...even a few web sites. I've found a ton of information on every aspect of soil, lighting, grow time, even best place to order. Literally, I've never asked a question because EVERYTHING I could ask is already answered.

Web searching is so easy now, you don't even need to join a site to learn. Simply search for your question on your favorite site and you'll find your answer. If you don't, send me a PM...I'll bet I already have your question bookmarked. If you ask me something stupid, that is easy to find, don't be surprised if I don't respond.

Point is, get off your ass! Stop begging someone to give you the answer to the question you are too lazy to look up...get it yourself!

From what I've learned I'm currently harvesting apple white widow. We did a fast dry of a bud for test....it smells and tastes like apple, but smokes and has the same effects as white widow.

I grew16 plants under flourescent and averaged well over a pound per plant (wet) in about 12 weeks. I'll try super cropping with pear next....but considering what very little I did for these plants, I'm more than willing to bet I can get over 2 pounds per plant.

Want to know how? LOOK IT UP!
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:bigjoint:I BET YOU GOT A BIG LONG NOSE AND YOU ARE MADE OF WOOD
 
treegardener

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Thanks Dub - I am totally with you on paranoia caused by the government. I know that is probably 75% of it. But I think the weed can set things off as well. I usally don't want to partake if I am already down as it will only intensify the problem. I usually wait until I am over the worst of it.

It will take a while to absorb your techniques for growing. I am still at square one and have very little money until February 2009. So, I am oing out tomorrow to get some kind of medium to plant my sprouts in. The ones I had going have failed. I am going to start the last 7 seeds I have between papertowels and a little heat applied. Then, in February I need to buy seeds, get a pipe (been using home-made pipe I made out of tin foil Works pretty good. Later I need to get something that is easier on my lungs. That should get me into pre-spring. Anyway, thanks for sharig your techniques. I think men are better at all this than women.

I have a strong belief that mj and mushrooms - peyote, etc. as used by the Indians is there to get a spiritual connection to the universe and its maker. I am afraid to get too far out there mostly due to the government issue and the paranoia it creates in me. I also don't have any fellow smokers to share with at this time.

Later then,

Tree;-)


DubB83 said:
That does narrow it down a bit. Your not looking for couch lock so your going to want to harvest before the glands (they look like crystals) start to get cloudy at all. That should be an area of great interest after a few months after the plant has been flowering. The only thing is some people think that the paranoia also comes from the time of harvest, I think it comes from the gov't. I can honestly say that the gov't cannot tell me what to do with a plant any more than God could. I would simply remind them that in the Bible, that seems to be the driving force in this nation to set rules moral rules, states:
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food. Genesis 1:29
Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Genesis 9:3


God gave it to me, how dare the gov't take it away.


I have hopes for the new year and the new presidency. One day the double standards will be over and medical marijuana be used for the exact opposite as cigarettes. To help instead of harm.

I'll start a good search for you looking for specific properties you requested.

Sorry for the rambling, I'm a bit medicated myself.

Personally, in your situation I would invest in a small box with 3 cfls in it. Grow in soil to start, but growth is slower and in my oppinion less productive. You can build a basic DWC (see my twin mother speaker box thread) out of a shoe box and grow a few mother plants, then have another cfl box for cloning/veg growth. By the time you have practiced growing your mother plants and taking clones you should have a good understanding of the plant. This will take a couple of months to get your schedule down but it is the cheapest way to get started. This will give you time to source and build a flowering chamber. I would recommend a cheap HPS converted into remote ballasted with a cool tube (Pyrex Bake-A-Round) and bathroom fans for air flow. Supplment that with warm CFLs and you should have a nice harvest if you grow using the SoG (Sea of Green) method flowering in SOLO brand plastic cups and use the "lollipoping" method (basically remove the lower "sucker" branches as if it were a tomato plant to create one big long branch that turns into one big bud).

I'll return in the evening.

Happy New Year!
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Hayduke

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Tree,
I also suffer from pretty serious depression (if I don't smoke enough) the pills are no good for me either. I have also found that the better the bud the less paranoia. Some say it is the ratio of THC/CNB relating to harvest time and or strain. I really don't know for sure.

I have smoked for 25 years so I like to get stoned! Because of this I have always liked Indica cuz it was usually much stronger than the mid/mexi option.

With pure Sativa, I feel cheated. No body high, and part of my head (the back) feels like "hey what about me". So this is no good.

What I find id best for me is a Sativa dominant hybrid. Enough indica to make me feel "stoned" but strong sativa to make me feel up and happy. My favorite is "Headband". (og kush x master kush x sour diesel). I don't feel like taking a nap as long as I don't over do it (strong smoke!) and an incredible mood elevator with no (increased) paranoia. All of the diesel crosses that I have tried are similar and I hope my Red diesel will be the same.

So The likelyhood of finding headband in your neck of the woods might be slim as it seems to be a socal phenomenon and cutting only (I have 3), but Personally I would look for something similar. Sativa for mood elevator with an indica backbone so I feel stoned. I find with this kind of smoke I am more likely to go to the store as I am not paranoid (I see students everywhere I go!) and don't feel as stupid stoned.

As for the Canna Doc, maybe up in Eugene would be better...the hippie/logger ratio is closer to even!

I feel your pain with the depression, sometimes it is hard to breath. For me smoking more makes me much happier. My canna doc explains it like this: He says to smoke around noon, 4:20, and after dinner (I may do a little more and I miss the 12:00 cuz of work). He says to stay ahead of your symptoms. Once the depression comes on hard it is kinda too late, though for me gives the relief of euphoria. If you don't give depression a chance to rear it's ugly head in your day, life is better. This is what seems to work for me. Do not use any psychedelics if you are feeling down, feel a cold coming on, have serious stuff on your mind (unless prepared for the solution), or feel anyway other than blissful, with all oportunities for disruption of bliss removed. Again this is my $0.02, but I feel your pain!


:leaf::peace::leaf:
 
treegardener

treegardener

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Greetings Hayduke - Thanks for the link. You gave me a link for Bronze or something like that awhile back. I will check this one out. No worries about me taking any psychadelics. With my brain I really don't want to mess with that stuff. Although I will say that my memory of Peyote was that it was really great and I was not mature enough to get the most out of it.

I will re-read your post again and reply later, the one previous to the link post. I am really not a pot head anymore. I probably would not smoke more than once a day, as I am always wanting to do stuff. I do relax later when the sun goes down. Your recipe for the Sativa and Indica sounds right. Do you get any seeds from your cuttings? Or will you ever later down the line. I would be interested. Tomorrow I shop for some stuff to start a grow. Need to get busy. I have nothing in the house at the moment if you know what I mean. And I have no contacts. So it is up to me to get my own medicine.

I made some pumpkin pie this afternoon and I was only half hearted about it. I had all the ingredients to do it even before Christmas, so I thought I should do it. I have been down lately and that is what it does to me - all endeavors are half-hearted, no fun, just discipline and duty. Ugh!. But I will be okay later when I have a piece while I watch TV :) Sorry I can't get any to you friend. LOL!

Tree

Later Hayduke. What did you say you teach? You teach teenagers (God help you :) .
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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Sorry you got the blues. I know exactly how you feel. I have trouble doing anything except what is necessary, and smoking really does not help this much, but can smile and enjoy my day!

I do not teach as much as I babysit.

No seeds from the headband unless one goes hermie. Too bad you are where you are, my clones are free!:leaf:

Hope you feel better.
 
DubB83

DubB83

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Tree, I wish I could mail you a spare pipe I have laying around, you should look in the DIY section for a how to build a halogen vaporizer. It is the healthiest way to medicate, the tin foil is not so good.

I agree with Hayduke about the strains and timing of harvest. I personally use it for sleeping and eating reasons myself. So I guess Hyduke would be of more help in that area because he is treating the same symptom your experiencing.
 
treegardener

treegardener

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DubB83 said:
Tree, I wish I could mail you a spare pipe I have laying around, you should look in the DIY section for a how to build a halogen vaporizer. It is the healthiest way to medicate, the tin foil is not so good.

I agree with Hayduke about the strains and timing of harvest. I personally use it for sleeping and eating reasons myself. So I guess Hyduke would be of more help in that area because he is treating the same symptom your experiencing.
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Hi Dub - I guess DIY means Do it Yourself. I will see if I can find it. I am into making my own.

I always appreciate your's and Hayduke's input.

Tree
 
treegardener

treegardener

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DubB83 said:
Here is the thread on the vaporizer.

https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/50819-diy-halogen-vaporizer.html
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Thanks Dub - I did look for it and I did not find it. There were so many pages I might have passed it by.

Listen, I would like to hear any input you might have on strains you think might be good for what ails me. Unless you really feel that Hayduke has said all that needs to be said. I mean is there any end to what needs to be said on this and related subjects ? :spew:

Tree:weed:
 
treegardener

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DubB83 said:
Tree, I wish I could mail you a spare pipe I have laying around.

Well, I am poor as a churchmouse right now as a result of high vet bills over the last two months. I can give you my address. If you want a little money for it that is okay too. Buying one online could be pricey including s/h for me right now. THERE ARE NO HEADSHOPS IN THIS CITY. Sheeeeeeeesh. What's a dudette to do.

:shock:Tree
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SpruceZeus

SpruceZeus

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treegardener said:
Hey Heyduke - I am still copying and pasting info that I get on this thread as wel as a couple of other places to learn about strains of M. I don't really know anyone on this forum and no one really knows me. Blu sent me a PM awhile back at the beginning of this thread and he was very straightforward with a few sentences about his growig, etc. So, I believe him and I guess I just don't want to hear anymore stuff about him because I have made up my mind that he is okay. You know the ole' saying, "Let him who is without s-n throw the first stone." So none of us are perfect and this forum has to be mostly for fun and comradery doesn't it. I mean let's not be out to anihilate each other. I think there are mostly men on this formum. Some men have too much testosterone maybe.:roll: We are all ages. I am young at heart at least :).

So, here's a viable question for you. WHY DO SEEDS COST SO MUCH !! :confused: Isn't it like price gouging, like thy do when gas is at a premium?
I asked this question earlier on this thread and no one responded. I mean how can people charge $90 for 15 White Widow seeds? or more?

Peace,

Tree:weed:
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A)I hate to come to someones thread and call them out, but this bluemeanie is really in over his head, talking all sorts of ish without being able to back it up. The fact of the matter is, there are a thousand better, smarter, more experienced growers to learn from here. Its obviously up to you, but if i were you i wouldnt be taking advice from someone who has all of one grow under their belt and has continously displayed a staggering lack of knowledge time and time again. just my opinion.
B) seeds are so damn expensive because we want them really badly. But hey, relax there is hope.
Breeders like KC brains and Nirvana's seeds can be had for much cheeper than the "upper eschelon" companies, with similar results. They win cannabis cups too. There's also the option of pick N' mix type seed banks, if you buy just one or two feminized seeds from a strain that would normally cost you 200 bucks for ten you can have grow them out as mothers and clone your way to a premium crop at a discount price. The glory of it is, you really do have alot of options, even on a limited budget. And not that im condoning selling dope, but you can pay for a pack of expensive seeds by selling off just one of the finished plants. Not to mention if you do a seed run, you can get thousands of "name brand" seeds from one pack.
just another option.

In summary Bluediamond is full of it, and seeds CAN be yours for cheep. Best of luck and happy growing.
 
DubB83

DubB83

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treegardener said:
DubB83 said:
Tree, I wish I could mail you a spare pipe I have laying around.

Well, I am poor as a churchmouse right now as a result of high vet bills over the last two months. I can give you my address. If you want a little money for it that is okay too. Buying one online could be pricey including s/h for me right now. THERE ARE NO HEADSHOPS IN THIS CITY. Sheeeeeeeesh. What's a dudette to do.

:shock:Tree
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Sorry Tree,
I would like to send you a pipe but it goes against all of my personal safety rules. I do not wish to even know what state any of the members of this forum live in or any other personal information about people. It is my way of staying isolated and in theory safe. No offense to you and all, I may try and find a pipe that has never been used and mail that to a specified location, hopefully a P.O. Box to a fake name. Don't expect a return address, as I would not accept money in return for the pipe. I still suggest the vaporizer I linked over any pipe/lighter combination for health reasons of course.

Please think no less of me, this is why I said "wish". I will make a trip to the head shop here one of these days and see if they have something for you.

~DubB83
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treegardener

treegardener

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DubB83 said:
treegardener said:
Sorry Tree,
I would like to send you a pipe but it goes against all of my personal safety rules. I do not wish to even know what state any of the members of this forum live in or any other personal information about people. It is my way of staying isolated and in theory safe. No offense to you and all, I may try and find a pipe that has never been used and mail that to a specified location, hopefully a P.O. Box to a fake name. Don't expect a return address,

I still suggest the vaporizer I linked over any pipe/lighter combination for health reasons of course.
Please think no less of me, this is why I said "wish".

I will make a trip to the head shop here one of these days and see if they have something for you.

~DubB83
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HEY DUB - ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE. I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR SAFETY RULES IN PLACE. I MEAN I ALSO DEAL WITH PARANOIA. SO, NOT TO WORRY.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT DUB. I NEED TO GET ONE AND I WILL GET MY OWN. JUST A SHORT GLASS, PSYCHADELIC ONE FOR NOW. I AM SURE I CAN FIND ONE FOR A DECENT PRICE ON THE WEB.


re: Vaporizer -
DEFINITELY. I LOOKED AT THE LINK YOU GAVE ME AND I COULD PROBABLY BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I AM ALWAYS TAKING APART THINGS AND SAVING THE PARTS FOR ARTWORK OR BUILDING THINGS THAT ARE SIMPLE. YES, IT IS IN THE SCOPE OF MY SKILL TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ACTUALLY I WOULD FIND THAT EASIER TO GET MY MIND AROUND THEN GETTING A GROW GOING.:shock:

C'MON, I DON'T THINK ANY LESS OF YOU. YOU'RE BEING WISE AS YOU SHOULD BE. TOO BAD THE PARANOIA IS INCREASING HERE IN THE USA. I DON'T HAVE HOPE OF US EVER GOING LEGAL.

Tree
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treegardener

treegardener

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SpruceZeus said:
A)I hate to come to someones thread and call them out, but ...In summary Bluediamond is full of it, and seeds CAN be yours for cheep. Best of luck and happy growing.
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Hey SpruceZeus - Any relation to Spruce Goose? :mrgreen:

The thing is that I don't do that much surfing around this forum. I kind of stay here for now. I have dyslexia and I read slowly. I also am not such an avid pothead that I need to know a lot.

I am not just taking Bluediamond's advice. I am taking all advice. He might very well be a flake. But I might be a flake as well. You never know. :spew: I try to like everybody until I have good reason not to. So far Blu has not offended me. But maybe all the pros out there are offended. But it is kind of silly don't you think. I mean, there are so many ways to accomplish a grow. Anyway, I appreciate your input and hope you stick around.

Tree 8)
 
TRICKKY

TRICKKY

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It can seem silly, as it does to you. You'd be surprised tho, (or maybe not now), at how seriously people take their "hobbies".

But I think what upset people the most, was that someone who was already talking noncense, decided to create a thread, thats sole purpose was to cast rollitup and it's members in a bad light.

I admit I was just about to have a rant myself a few times, but I prefer to breathe count to ten ;-)

As I said before, it's a shame that your induction to this site was to be plonked right into the middle of all that "stuff".

Anyway, it's good to see you have stuck around and seem to be benefiting from some good advice from good growers. :weed:

Peace
 
treegardener

treegardener

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TRICKKY said:
It can seem silly, as it does to you. You'd be surprised tho, (or maybe not now), at how seriously people take their "hobbies".

Anyway, it's good to see you have stuck around and seem to be benefiting from some good advice from good growers. :weed:

Peace
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Hi Trickky - I guess "silly" is not a good word. I think the thing here is that men take this more seriously than women might. I mean I can almost feel the fistfights that might break out by the comments of one member of this forum against another. From my perspective everyone knows more than I do. I am soon to get my grow started with a scientific, experimental approach. But I will most likely not go to the lengths that many of the guys on this forum have gone to. It is admirable, the setups that you all contrive. I do travel around the forum and get other information. But basically this is my plan. TO RELY ON THE SUN AND KEEP IT SIMPLE.

Nice to hear from you again.

Tree:cool:
 
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