Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[NickNasty]

You don't need a dome with a bubble cloner they stay great without one even in really low humidity and really you don't even need to add anything like clonex or to foliar feed for that matter it just "might" speed things up. I have gotten roots with a bubble cloner in 4 days with unfiltered water but it takes much longer if its filtered.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Damn it. Too many DIYs. Adding this to the list.

 

[Abiqua]

I have a homemaed aero cloner and a bubble cloner too. The bubble is a just a little 3 site, I made from a TupperWare container found out in the woods.

I don't pH the water and have ran it straight, roots in 10 days. Honey seemed to speed it up to 6-7.

I can see how this wasn't SUPER appropriate for the thread, but I do have some going into soil too, gonna foliar everybody with Aloe and coconut, rather than dump it into the bubble res [Great Idea]




Edit:
[Last night right after I took all my cuts [6x], half went into coco water and half into aloe. One got submerged in the aloe water on accident and was pretty limp when I tipped into soil, but I said fuck it.

Just looked and it's happy as a clam, praying to me! ]

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

You guys, with your little amount of clones, only need...well none...but if you want to foliar (it'll help)...add 3/4tsp aloe jizz to 16oz...puree...then....mist over/under thankful happy hungry foliage. stomata tomata...

 

[Scotch089]

I have been digging up old soil mix methods trying to grasp wtf is going down... making it a point to start at with the stickies, but not hopping to the end...


....I cave and find some of the most familiar faces.... talking about BUBBLE CLONERS!@>? I wasn't ballsy enough to post it anywhere, but if your talking about bubblers...

Alright alright ill get down to brass tacks.. I am going to give soil a whole hearted effort, and not (just) for the pcc, but if I am going to. I want to be 100 and 50% Organic, no bottles (except protekt unless I decide to listen to psu and order up the Agsil), I really love the idea of Tea's, though I do not want a compost bin (yet..?) I am trying to grasp the AACT thread a little at a time but my eyes can only take so make ipad screen at a time..

Digging up old threads has helped, the stickies are sweet for the first few pages but fuck... I am missing out on the simple shit still. (another day..)

Actually just got done reading some posts of Fli and root backing up their standpoints on "no guano, bottles," and speaking to the degree of a diffrerence to coco/hydro. I do want to take a second and thank a couple of you guys out there, going through so many threads in a span of time and seeing all those names CONSISTENTLY stand out with CONSISTENT information is kick ass. You guys know. Thanks.

I am steered away from mixing my own soil, have the space... but if I can buy premixed bags, and reamend/recycle/etc. I would prefer that, as Id have to be buying the amendments sooner or later? Are there any premixed bags that are truly organic, recycleable, and enough to feed straight through?

If it is really worth it.... ^^

I don't want to use my bottles, my hydro is my hydro, my soil is going to be organic.

If running in fabric smart pots Im reading air, drainage and everything is a bit faster. Do you adjust the amount of "flow" the media has to this? Or just water according?

Cost comparison to mixing your own and buying initial bags? Just seems like a bitch to make a ton of soil...

 

[foreverflyhi]

glad to see you here!!

I understand why ppl choose hydro over organics, however once u try ROLS, u will have one of those moments that u will bang you head saying, why the fuk haven't I done this years ago!!


start with compost and a worm bin,

if space is a issue then you can buy locally sourced compost and wormcastings


once that's established we can build your soil from scratch, trust me, it wont take up too much space for a personal batch!.

look into vermicompost, cant stress this enough to be successful n ROLS, a worm bin DOESNT take up too much space!

 

[Scotch089]

Thank you brother I just "started" a thread to consolidate, I know Im going to keep popping up with basic as shit questions.

What is okay to compost? We are on an old school septic in the first place, so I have always considered a separate "scraps" bin, but is there a list of No-no's to keep out of the garden, or is it just more is better? ha
EDIT:^^nvm
Figured a couple 5gals would get me rolling, in my space surely I wouldn't need more...

 

[DANKSWAG]

Yeah...but i love my bubble cloner...

Thought the idea of bubble cloner or mister whatever was water spraying on stem simulating root growth?
So I didn't think you would add anything. I know for a mister you wouldn't. But for bubbling I would try ful power fulvic acid and kelp and if you can add lots of aloe juice\gel those enzymes will get to stem on those cuttings. I just think you need more probably. Don't know.


Right now I am soaking my peat pellets in a h20 sans chlorine with 1 tablespoon kelp and 1 tsp fulvic acid. I am going to filet two or three stalks of aloe and mix into solution.
Once these are soaked good, I will take my cuttings apply fresh aloe to the cuttings and place in pre-soaked peat pellets.

Keep you posted.

Update...said I would keep posted. Here is pick of tote 3 gallon tote? 1 gallon h20 sans chlorine 1 tbsp liquid seaweed, 1 tbsp liquid kelp, 1 tbsp ful power fulvic acid. Filet two aloe stalks with gel stripped soaking in water with stalks sheath and some still attached gel\juice. I have 32 peat pellets soaking in this for a few hours now, probably should bubble as well but more likely will stir for in less then 8 hours I will be cutting clones for them.

I interned to soak for 24 but more likely will only be about 10-12. Should be okay for how I am using them.


Be sure to check out my recent Bud Porn Update on DankSwag's Green Machine 2014 thread.


DankSwag

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

I'm still on the fence with the fulvic acid. I really want to be bottle free tho. What part of a typical soil mix has fulvic acid?

 

[hyroot]

I never use fulvic... its an acid

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Looks like if you have peat and humus then your good...http://fertiorganicos.com/english/images/lib/ORGANIC_MATTER_HUMUS_HUMATE_HUMIC_ACID_FULVIC_ACID.pdf You just don't know you're using it hy...duh

 

[hyroot]

Looks like if you have peat and humus then your good...http://fertiorganicos.com/english/images/lib/ORGANIC_MATTER_HUMUS_HUMATE_HUMIC_ACID_FULVIC_ACID.pdf You just don't know you're using it hy...duh

I took a bale of peatrmoss mixed in 3 cubic feet of recycled soil ( with homade vc already mixed in from a while ago). 1 cu ft of worm castings , 1 cu ft of compost, 2 cu ft pumice. watered and sprayed with compost tea's and sst's. Humus is compost and worm castings. broken down organic matter. for the next flower and next veg batch

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

I took a bale of peatrmoss mixed in 3 cubic feet of recycled soil ( with homade vc already mixed in from a while ago). 1 cu ft of worm castings , 1 cu ft of compost, 2 cu ft pumice. watered and sprayed with compost tea's and sst's. Humus is compost and worm castings. broken down organic matter. for the next flower and next veg batch

I just started my first gen of peat...no coco. Hydrated peat with aloe and broke up all the clumps. Squeezed out until just moist. Mixed in a third of my first VC batch and another third of rice hulls and small/med lava. Added the usual rock dusts and amendments...no guano or dolo #yolo. Just cooked for 2 weeks and put all my ceadlings in it. Found some baby worms while putting them in solo cups!!! My coco mix will be on second gen soon, stuff is working great. Can't wait to compare to peat, with same amendments.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Okay Cron, you have inspired me. Here is my bubble cloner tester. If it works I owe you a reach around k. Here's your idea kicked up a notch ...
So I have a staller that needs a fresh topped jump start. Here she is 1 week from showing 12/12fs, and my little tester soaking in aloe for 15 min after cut.
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Here she is going into a bubbling 2 day old kelp tea, pinch of peat moss, couple drops of fish hydolysate, couple drops of ProTekt, a clump of aloe jizz for the heck of it, and a smidgin of alfalfa.
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I'll give her a mist, every morning and night, of kelp and alfalfa tea with aloe and Protekt. Water is 65 degrees....same ambien temp. Might slow things down a bit being in a cold basement.

 

[Chronikool]

Okay Cron, you have inspired me. Here is my bubble cloner tester. If it works I owe you a reach around k. Here's your idea kicked up a notch ...

My idea? hahaha...yeah right...i do like reach aroundz where i can get them though....

So I have a staller that needs a fresh topped jump start. Here she is 1 week from showing 12/12fs, and my little tester soaking in aloe for 15 min after cut.

Here she is going into a bubbling 2 day old kelp tea, pinch of peat moss, couple drops of fish hydolysate, couple drops of ProTekt, a clump of aloe jizz for the heck of it, and a smidgin of alfalfa.
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I'll give her a mist, every morning and night, of kelp and alfalfa tea with aloe and Protekt. Water is 65 degrees....same ambien temp. Might slow things down a bit being in a cold basement.

interesting experiement ....one thing that is essential for root growth is 'light depreciation'...i suggest cutting a tinfoil circle and poking a hole in the middle...leaves showing only

Also not sure about the stalk being fully submerged in the solution. The idea with the bubble cloner is to create a humidity for the root zone...rotting of the stalk may occur if fully submerged...maybe empty some out?

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Excellent points Chronny!!! I'm replacing the top with foil when my gopher gets home, and you can't tell but only about a third of stem is in water. If this works better than normal, I'll convert my dome to be a bubbler. The only issue I see is the transition from water to soil without damaging roots. When rooting in rooters or soil you don't have that issue. I guess I'll hold the clone still and sprinkle in some medium, give container a little shake lol. I dunno.

 

[Chronikool]

Excellent points Chronny!!! I'm replacing the top with foil when my gopher gets home, and you can't tell but only about a third of stem is in water. If this works better than normal, I'll convert my dome to be a bubbler. The only issue I see is the transition from water to soil without damaging roots. When rooting in rooters or soil you don't have that issue. I guess I'll hold the clone still and sprinkle in some medium, give container a little shake lol. I dunno.

Even just the very tip of the stalk touching the surface of the solution...i think that would be ideal.

Yeah i was quite nervous about the transition between the bubbler and soil aswell.....but in your case...say you get a strike with roots....they will be getting nutrients from the solution...so you can afford to leave them in there to get 'established' so there are quite a tangle of roots...like 10cm long or something. The roots are also stronger and if you do break a couple in the transition...the plant can handle it.

 

[Shwagbag]

I'm still on the fence with the fulvic acid. I really want to be bottle free tho. What part of a typical soil mix has fulvic acid?

I'm not sure of any to be specific but I think many have humic acid in them.

I never use fulvic... its an acid

Please elaborate Hyroot, I'm curious.

I use both Humic and Fulvic acids in my soil mixes. I don't use them from bottles, rather add them in powdered form from Kelp4less. They have a nice blend that I've used in teas but mostly just put into my mixes now.

Fulvic Acid Facts

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

My clone died

 

[Scotch089]

whelp, no reach around chroni...

Is there that much stunting transferring from a bubble cloner (bare roots) to soil? I came in late on the topic

Right when I completely detatch myself from media.......

...now hush, I have 190 some pages left...