Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Scotch089

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Well.. I've not been diligent in keeping used soil seperate from new soil and have done a couple no tills... still no burn fwiw. But honestly I don't remember how long it sat there. Sorry for not being much help, still gettin my feet dirty lol

I get yellowing margins from too intense of light, but that's about it.. wish I had fresh air intake.
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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Well.. I've not been diligent in keeping used soil seperate from new soil and have done a couple no tills... still no burn fwiw. But honestly I don't remember how long it sat there. Sorry for not being much help, still gettin my feet dirty lol

I get yellowing margins from too intense of light, but that's about it.. wish I had fresh air intake.
Work on it fresh air will blow up your grow you're gonna wish you done it sooner I went through the same shit but when I got the fresh air all hell broke loose then.

B4L
 

kmog33

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So my first living soil mix is cooking. Been about two weeks. Anything I should be prepared for. Sticking decently established plants into it.


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Blunted 4 lyfe

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So my first living soil mix is cooking. Been about two weeks. Anything I should be prepared for. Sticking decently established plants into it.


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If you see some fuzz on your soil don't panic your shit didn't go bad that fuzz is part of the cooking process.

B4L
 

GreenSanta

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I have never grown the same strain often enough to know which ones are calcium pigs, phos pigs or potassium pigs, I do the same thing for every plants, I never really had any problems, some fade early, some dont, I am really starting to lean towards vermicompost as the only source of amendments in my mix.

People doing no-till 20+ gallons indoor, what do you do after harvesting a monster plant? let the pot rest for how long? I used to often pull and replant in 10 gallons pots but after a monster plant the following girl never does well, I have stopped doing the pull and plants and went back to re-mixing and re-amending, since I dont really know what to reamend anymore, (been years of eye balling whatever I had) thats why I simply reamend vermicompost now.

Trust me I get the whole no-till thing, but as far as indoor garden goes, I am still on the fence. In my setup, Id be really worried about high humidity... how do you guys control humidity? I like the SIP raised bed idea. when are you building a raised bed hyroot? I am gonna wait another year see if you are still using SIP before I give it a go lol. I really think plants benefits from drying out really good a couple times in the flowering cycle (not to the point that they wilt but....)

One more thing is if I was brownguy420, the floor of my greenhouse wouldnt be gravel... and plants would not be in pots... That's the real no till imo
 

Joedank

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No tea's of any kind anymore because I run sips - sub irrigated planters. So my plants get only plain water. The top dress of malted barley flour replaced sst's. Needs to be applied less often than sst's. And top dress ewc also. I only use aloe in foliars. I started using gro kashi as a topdress too.

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so if i grow on my septic leach feild is it a hugh SIP?
 

Joedank

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That's nasty lol
yea .
i was chatting with jermy at BAS about a 35 gallon tote in the earth with a 200 gallon container over it .been thinking of doing it for 5 years now . guess its time to try ..any tips? gonna dig that shit this week .
he wants me to try the earthbox aginst a 100gallon container. does not seem fair but might give it a go in a light dep ....102_3881.JPGcherry pie day 23. in 4 year old 900 gallon (3 yard) coot filled bed ...lol
102_3880.JPG sour amnisia haze finishing up
 

hyroot

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yea .
i was chatting with jermy at BAS about a 35 gallon tote in the earth with a 200 gallon container over it .been thinking of doing it for 5 years now . guess its time to try ..any tips? gonna dig that shit this week .
he wants me to try the earthbox aginst a 100gallon container. does not seem fair but might give it a go in a light dep ....

Just make sure you are able to access the lower tote I guess.

Larger sip pots don't seem as necessary as larger fabric pots do.

My 5 gals are growing better and faster than my 18 gals. We'll see if there's a difference in bud size or not soon. In veg the 5 gals are winning. My one 5 gal in flower has filled out the scrog net more than the 18 gals. It will be day 13 today when they wake up.
 

Midwest Weedist

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I was thinking since each plant is different ( @Rrog ) when building a soil, how would I be able to make a general mix for everything? Is it kind of like start w coots and then amend it to what you see?

He uses either peat or leaf mold, then his EWC and then aeration. Leaf mold> peat if he indeed uses leaf mold but the big thing is his castings. He runs a specific batch of compost then runs that through his worm bin. I would think since I'm far behind harvesting my castings, that I would probably show deficiencies since I don't have HIS high quality castings and or leaf mold.

I would think in my mind ok, deficiency...let me add x amount of whatever I see. If I had better castings and or leaf mold that may not be the case. Once I introduce better castings and or leaf mold, the mix would change and my original observations would be null correct?

So I guess what I'm saying is should I wait to mix it up until I have the higher quality castings and or leaf mold or just do it now and add the high quality castings and or leaf mold as a top dress at some point throughout the grow?

Too many factors always to consider in this line of work I feel!
My response to Hyroots post should answer your questions. Just remember that you don't need a lot to grow cannabis. Coots soil would be imo a near perfect mix. That being said you don't need that great of a soil mix to grow great medicine. You do if you want to keep doing it over and over in the same soil mass. But I digress, don't sweat not having everything perfect at this moment. You can always mix your soil up and reammend later. Yes it won't be considered notill anymore at that point but there's nothing wrong with that.
I think Rrog is just referring to the different water needs of each plant. A built soil can be a general mix for all plants. The plants will eat what and when they want. The only issue is if it's not enough amendments. As some strains are calcium hogs and some are potassium hogs and some are phos hogs.
Best way to combat excessive needs is to simply (if possibly) have a larger soil mass. In my experience it's not that the soil doesn't have what the plant needs, it often does, but the microbes aren't able to keep up with the needs of a plant in the soil mass that it's in or there simply just isn't enough soil mass to support the amount of microbes necessary to support whatever plant is in it, thus the answer imo being a larger soil mass as opposed to individual mixes or feedings.
 

Organicgrow42

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I was thinking and reading the same about the soil mass. I only wanted a near perfect mix done right now cuz I have about 200 gallons of soil that needs to be converted to a coots mix or reamended so I can put plants in it like yesterday!

I just didn't want to do it one way and then have to start fresh again or dump out reamend. I'm just at that point now so wanted to get it done right and start my journey into 100% no til, make sense? I dunno anymore at this point lol
 

Organicgrow42

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I have a gorilla glue hating it's life right now and don't know why. That is in a 5 gallon.

I put one in a 10 and it shows same deficiency as the 5 but less prominent and it took longer to show up.

Should I go larger on pots or try to find out what the deal is.

I'm at a point where things are getting tested cuz I feel all I do is guess and still have yellowing/browning plants.
 

Midwest Weedist

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I was thinking and reading the same about the soil mass. I only wanted a near perfect mix done right now cuz I have about 200 gallons of soil that needs to be converted to a coots mix or reamended so I can put plants in it like yesterday!

I just didn't want to do it one way and then have to start fresh again or dump out reamend. I'm just at that point now so wanted to get it done right and start my journey into 100% no til, make sense? I dunno anymore at this point lol
Oh I completely understand lol I just know things like leaf mold and compost can't be rushed. I was in that spot and it came down to just having to reammend at a later point. Little extra sweat but worth it in the end.
 

GreenSanta

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I was thinking and reading the same about the soil mass. I only wanted a near perfect mix done right now cuz I have about 200 gallons of soil that needs to be converted to a coots mix or reamended so I can put plants in it like yesterday!

I just didn't want to do it one way and then have to start fresh again or dump out reamend. I'm just at that point now so wanted to get it done right and start my journey into 100% no til, make sense? I dunno anymore at this point lol
what kind of yield per gallon of soil you guys getting with no till?
how big are coots containers?

because I can only have so much soil in my basement (to keep RH in acceptable range) the way I look at it now is how many oz per gallon of soil can I yield.... my goal is to get 1+ oz per gallon of soil in the grow, im more between .5 to 1 oz per gallon right now but since I started vegging my plants longer, I have fewer bigger plants in the room and often hit close to 1 oz per gallon, eventually hoping to be steadily on the one oz per gallon. I dont think I could achieve those numbers with no till.

I think no till doesnt make a lot of sense for most of us indoor. There is a big hype around it now people mix coots soil and call their grow a no till grow, come back next year when the container is still in the grow room, has grown great plants back to back to back, I have a feeling a lot of you guys with 20 gallons pots or less will run into problems in a few cycles.

No till makes a lot of sense in agriculture or in the garden, or even greenhouses, but no in the da house IMO. I hope some people prove me wrong down the road because I would love not having to move heavy pots around but it has to be economically viable.
 

Midwest Weedist

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what kind of yield per gallon of soil you guys getting with no till?
how big are coots containers?

because I can only have so much soil in my basement (to keep RH in acceptable range) the way I look at it now is how many oz per gallon of soil can I yield.... my goal is to get 1+ oz per gallon of soil in the grow, im more between .5 to 1 oz per gallon right now but since I started vegging my plants longer, I have fewer bigger plants in the room and often hit close to 1 oz per gallon, eventually hoping to be steadily on the one oz per gallon. I dont think I could achieve those numbers with no till.

I think no till doesnt make a lot of sense for most of us indoor. There is a big hype around it now people mix coots soil and call their grow a no till grow, come back next year when the container is still in the grow room, has grown great plants back to back to back, I have a feeling a lot of you guys with 20 gallons pots or less will run into problems in a few cycles.

No till makes a lot of sense in agriculture or in the garden, or even greenhouses, but no in the da house IMO. I hope some people prove me wrong down the road because I would love not having to move heavy pots around but it has to be economically viable.
If you're looking at it like that, dry weight to soil mass, I think you're overlooking quite a lot. There are more variables to yield than soil mass alone. You can't answer that simply. If you're a closet or tent grower it may be easier to reammend after every cycle in smaller containers, especially if its not a permanent grow area. But I assure you that even indoors in tents notill can yield a shit ton, given you nail a lot of variables. Genetics, environment, and hardware will make more difference than soil mass imo.
If you want numbers. I just pulled between an elbow to an elbow and a half from 3 plants ( 1 ten gallon and 2 five gallons) under a 600 watt. Would have easily hit over two if the Haze I had going didn't fall victim to an under planned neem spray. Could have gotten more than that if I had bigger planters and trained them better. Honestly I don't know how people don't pull more dry weight than what I read they do.

*In hindsight that last comment sounded really arrogant. I just meant that it shouldn't be as hard as most make it out to be to harvest a happy amount indoors.
 
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GreenSanta

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If you're looking at it like that, dry weight to soil mass, I think you're overlooking quite a lot. There are more variables to yield than soil mass alone. You can't answer that simply. If you're a closet or tent grower it may be easier to reammend after every cycle in smaller containers, especially if its not a permanent grow area. But I assure you that even indoors in tents notill can yield a shit ton, given you nail a lot of variables. Genetics, environment, and hardware will make more difference than soil mass imo.
If you want numbers. I just pulled between an elbow to an elbow and a half from 3 plants ( 1 ten gallon and 2 five gallons) under a 600 watt. Would have easily hit over two if the Haze I had going didn't fall victim to under planned neem spray. Could have gotten more than that if I had bigger planters and trained them better. Honestly I don't know how people don't pull more dry weight than what I read they do.
how many rounds of no till in those pots?
 

Midwest Weedist

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how many rounds of no till in those pots?
1 so far, new soil mix. Which I guess is a horrible example to use in support of notill. A better one would be my ~5th cycle 15 gallon, canna for 3 cycles, one of bell peppers, then of canna again. It's about 2 - 2.5 years old and ony had ewc, kelp, grokashi and rock dusts topdressed. Still yields just as heavy as the first, much better flavors last two rounds of canna imo too. It's about to go outside this year for an 8ft vertical cantaloupe planter. Wait till this fall and I can give you numbers again on the 5 and 10 gallons.
 

Midwest Weedist

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I never like to highlight my blunders but this one takes the cake. If anyone uses agsil and stores it disolved in water. Please keep it in a marked or recognizeable container. My brillant self decided a jug of distilled water in the kitchen would suffice. Until I took a big ole swig of it earlier thinking is was simply water. Not sure what happens when you consume potassium silicate but I'll find out in a couple hours!...
 
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