Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

CaptainCAVEMAN

CaptainCAVEMAN

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My wife started making smoothies every morning so I save all the scraps from that in the freezer. When the freezer's full I thaw and run that and and my coffee grounds through the food processor. The scraps are mostly pineapple, banana, and ginger skins, along with waste from whatever other veggies we ate with meals.
Then I mix that in a 5 gallon bucket with a drill & mixer bit along with:
4 cups of perlite
1T kelp meal
1T Azomite
2T neem meal
1T Cascade Minerals (ground basalt)
1T green sand
1T gypsum
1T rock phosphate
1T diatomaceous earth
1T fish bone meal
1T crushed crab
1T Epsom salt
1T feather meal
2T crushed oyster she'll
1T glacial rock dust
3T alfalfa meal
1T langbeinite
1T TM-7
1 T lime powder
chunk of coco big enough to soak up all the water so it's more like concrete than soup

Then I uncover the pot and shovel out castings equal to the fresh batch. I remove from the less active side. I turn the sides inward if they're really dry. Dump it into same hole I created & cover with a thin layer of castings. More or less don't disturb the other more active side.

Enjoy the best stuff you can topdress!:weed:
 
bizfactory

bizfactory

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Anyone know what kinda creature this is? I thought thrips until I pulled out the microscope. They are running around under the mulch whenever I pull it back. I also noticed a decline in worms along with their arrival.

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hyroot

hyroot

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bizfactory said:
Anyone know what kinda creature this is? I thought thrips until I pulled out the microscope. They are running around under the mulch whenever I pull it back. I also noticed a decline in worms along with their arrival.

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Rove beetle. They're attracted to damp decaying matter. So dry out your soil I guess. I couldn't find anything on how to get rid of them.
 
bizfactory

bizfactory

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hyroot said:
Rove beetle. They're attracted to damp decaying matter. So dry out your soil I guess. I couldn't find anything on how to get rid of them.
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Good call. I guess they are nothing to worry about? This place is selling them!

http://www.arbico-organics.com/product/rove-beetle-atheta-coriaria-dalotia-coriaria/beneficial-insects-predators-parasites

Rove Beetles are a beneficial insect that feeds on the soil-dwelling larvae of fungus gnats, shore fly, moth fly and pupae of thrips and springtails. There is evidence that they will also provide some control for root mealybugs. Adults are a brown-black color, 3 - 4 mm long and winged. Larvae are thin, pale yellow and darken in the later larval stages. They are difficult to scout once released. It is recommended that you place flat rocks on the ground throughout the release area. The rocks provide a welcome shelter for the beneficial where you can lift the rocks to scout for them. They develop from egg to adult in about 21 days, passing through three larval instars prior to pupation and adulthood. Larval instars and adults are predatory. Winged adults have high dispersal and colonization rates and establish in various growing media.​
 
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UnderCoverAgentOrange

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Hi, guys, great info..only on page 281..but wanted a check on a soil mix..

Per 15 gal of soil
6 TBS jamacian guano
6 TBS mexican guano
4 TBS blood meal
8 TBS rock phosphste
8 TBS steamed bone meal
8 TBS gypsum
16 TBS kelp
16 TBS alfalfa
8 TBS crab meal
8 TBS neem meal
4 TBS epsom salt
2 TBS TM-7

...add in a healthy amount of worm casting and perlite..might also snag some mushroom compost
thoughts? trying to whip my own together..going to let it cook for 30-60 days...should i add or take things out?
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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UnderCoverAgentOrange said:
Hi, guys, great info..only on page 281..but wanted a check on a soil mix..

Per 15 gal of soil
6 TBS jamacian guano
6 TBS mexican guano
4 TBS blood meal
8 TBS rock phosphste
8 TBS steamed bone meal
8 TBS gypsum
16 TBS kelp
16 TBS alfalfa
8 TBS crab meal
8 TBS neem meal
4 TBS epsom salt
2 TBS TM-7

...add in a healthy amount of worm casting and perlite..might also snag some mushroom compost
thoughts? trying to whip my own together..going to let it cook for 30-60 days...should i add or take things out?
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Yeah..........drop the guano's, blood meal, and epsom salt, they're all water soluble and the guano's would be better used as a topdress or tea, the epsom salt, only use if you see a specific deficiency and foliar with it. Some would also say the bone meal too because of possible pathogens, if you can get fish bone meal, it's considered a much better source of phos.

The two ingredients I would definitley add are rock dust's and oystershell flour
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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the knowledge being shared on this thread can put to shame most master gardeners! thanks everyone for sharing.

Ive got 3 more SIP builts on the go, the first I built (thanks to hyroot) is almost ready to harvest and so far it looks really amazing, I top dressed the soil with a bunch of freshly harvested comfrey leaves before I covered the soil with a garbage bag the same day I transplanted and flip to 12/12.

Next time I ll try a top dress of shredded comfrey mixed with crushed oyster shell, organic hay, horse shit, and lots of worms. There was a lot of food/supersoil in the prototype run and I am really stoked to see the plants (2) have totally used it all up and are starting to fade nicely.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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GreenSanta said:
the knowledge being shared on this thread can put to shame most master gardeners! thanks everyone for sharing.

Ive got 3 more SIP builts on the go, the first I built (thanks to hyroot) is almost ready to harvest and so far it looks really amazing, I top dressed the soil with a bunch of freshly harvested comfrey leaves before I covered the soil with a garbage bag the same day I transplanted and flip to 12/12.

Next time I ll try a top dress of shredded comfrey mixed with crushed oyster shell, organic hay, horse shit, and lots of worms. There was a lot of food/supersoil in the prototype run and I am really stoked to see the plants (2) have totally used it all up and are starting to fade nicely.
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I'm trying something different too with one sip. You probably read about the issues I had with the 5 gals when the resi dried out or got too low. Several buds qould die off. Well 1 last 5 gal with mostly dead buds . I took out the air stones and added labs to the resi. Most of the dead buds started growing again. All new pistils and calyx.. it's a little behind. It's doing much better. Prior I came to the conclusion that you need at least a cubic foot of soil to run sips. That may depend on how you run them.

So anyway I'm running (1) 7 gal fabric pot / October pot design with no air stones. Just adding labs to the resi and see how that goes. Then another sip, same design. With air stones

I just can't decide what plants to put in the sips My strawberry fields are the largest. But they're from seed. Tjis is tge firts time growing them. The next biggest ones are alien rift. I've already been growing that. So I know gow.it gros already.
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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hyroot said:
I'm trying something different too with one sip. You probably read about the issues I had with the 5 gals when the resi dried out or got too low. Several buds qould die off. Well 1 last 5 gal with mostly dead buds . I took out the air stones and added labs to the resi. Most of the dead buds started growing again. All new pistils and calyx.. it's a little behind. It's doing much better. Prior I came to the conclusion that you need at least a cubic foot of soil to run sips. That may depend on how you run them.

So anyway I'm running (1) 7 gal fabric pot / October pot design with no air stones. Just adding labs to the resi and see how that goes. Then another sip, same design. With air stones

I just can't decide what plants to put in the sips My strawberry fields are the largest. But they're from seed. Tjis is tge firts time growing them. The next biggest ones are alien rift. I've already been growing that. So I know gow.it gros already.
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since I am on a bit of a strawberry hunt I would vouch for the strawberry fields... from seed they will kick ass even more in the SIP!!

knowing how the plant grows in your oldschool ways is a big plus.

I can't wait to run my pinacolada cut of spacepussy and my respect X chemo X ancient OG special cut in the SIPs, I have grown them many times over the last couple few years so I have an idea how they should be like, not so much the space pussy because it's a new cut (grown many many seeds though) but my respect chemo ancientOG I have grown many many times so I am really looking forward to see how it will do in SIPs, if I can save mom... she's outside at a friends house now, I wasnt going to grow her again until I harvested her recently, such special weed, I should try to keep her around, ... I have a lot of seeds I made with this mom and also I am growing a lot of seeds from the batch I found her...

Anyway, enough of that, lol. For me the 2 major benefits of SIP is that (I think/hope) it will reduce relative humidity in the Winter in my house, and also how it takes the guess work out when it comes to watering, keep the reservoir full, period. lol. Now I can focus on simply trying to create the best possible condition for soil food web, the only thing Id like to improve upon is to not use plastic bags as humidity dome rather maybe something like glacial rock dust or something that would create a similar effect, perhaps flat rocks?
 
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UnderCoverAgentOrange

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DonBrennon said:
Yeah..........drop the guano's, blood meal, and epsom salt, they're all water soluble and the guano's would be better used as a topdress or tea, the epsom salt, only use if you see a specific deficiency and foliar with it. Some would also say the bone meal too because of possible pathogens, if you can get fish bone meal, it's considered a much better source of phos.

The two ingredients I would definitely add are rock dust's and oystershell flour
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thanks for the feedback, my bone meal doesn't say fish but its 3-15-0 should i still be adding in fish bone meal? and rock dusts..i have gypsum and rock phosphate...so you mean azomite and basalt etc? best place to pick those up..or at the hydro store?

thanks again
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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CaptainCAVEMAN said:
My wife started making smoothies every morning so I save all the scraps from that in the freezer. When the freezer's full I thaw and run that and and my coffee grounds through the food processor. The scraps are mostly pineapple, banana, and ginger skins, along with waste from whatever other veggies we ate with meals.
Then I mix that in a 5 gallon bucket with a drill & mixer bit along with:
4 cups of perlite
1T kelp meal
1T Azomite
2T neem meal
1T Cascade Minerals (ground basalt)
1T green sand
1T gypsum
1T rock phosphate
1T diatomaceous earth
1T fish bone meal
1T crushed crab
1T Epsom salt
1T feather meal
2T crushed oyster she'll
1T glacial rock dust
3T alfalfa meal
1T langbeinite
1T TM-7
1 T lime powder
chunk of coco big enough to soak up all the water so it's more like concrete than soup

Then I uncover the pot and shovel out castings equal to the fresh batch. I remove from the less active side. I turn the sides inward if they're really dry. Dump it into same hole I created & cover with a thin layer of castings. More or less don't disturb the other more active side.

Enjoy the best stuff you can topdress!:weed:
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Obviously you have been paying attention.......i got goosebumps reading this post dude.
 
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