Refine Your Cannabuter: Better Taste, Simple

Hobbes

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Unfortunately glycerine isn't suitable for sublingual tincture - though it does make a fine drop tincture, substitute for sugar in coffee. We need a liquid solvent that will carry the cannabinoids through the membrane into the sublingual gland.

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akgrown

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this is a great post, I have been trying to get people to do this as well, I just call it washing the butter, it is really the only way to make green butter if all you have is plant material. +rep for you for helping to spread the word.
 

painINda@ss

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Like AK said great thread. Thanx Hobbes for the refining idea. Been looking into cannabutter making for a couple days before making my own and never seen anything about refining. I hope it helps with the strong taste it has now. I am up to 3 times refining.
 

Greather420

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Hey Hobbes...been working on medicated snacks that would be good for chemo patients...I had an idea for making white bread or rolls that would be easy on the stomach but I'm worried it might not taste too good. For now, I have a couple of recipes that might be good. In my cooking thread, https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/372672-anyone-interested-cannabis-recipes.html, I have 2 recipes you might want to try. On page 2, there is a recipe for medicated english toffee, which uses a lot of butter and can be made to be VERY strong if you wish by increasing the cannabutter-regular butter ratio. The recipe calls for nuts to be added, but I have read nuts can be very hard on the stomach for most patients undergoing chemo, so you can always leave them out. This candy, cooked to the right temperature, has a very nice consistency and dissolves quickly, so should be easy to eat.
I also posted a recipe on page 4 of my thread for medicated ice cream, which can be made into any flavor and can be good for people with sensitive mouths/throats. I'll let you know more if I think of them!
 

painINda@ss

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Greather have you tried zucchini bread. One on my fav. next to bannana bread. Good strong taste. That might hide the taste. The recipe that I use calls for oil. Just an idea.
 

Greather420

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hmm...that sounds pretty good, actually! I have a VERY good recipe for zucchini bread, if I can find it....thanks for the suggestion!
 

hammer6913

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how bout infusing oil with milk for pudding or maybe in a jello how about a bread type pudding or even a custard just some thoughts good luck

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Hobbes

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We need a delivery method that bi passes both the lungs and the liver because of:

- inability to inhale the irratizing resin vapour (lungs) for children and lung cancer patients
- the first pass effect of the liver reducing bioavailability of cannabinoids
- some people just throw up in the shower, if it's not staying down long we need quick absorption to reduce nausea so a second more potent application can be absorbed.

I've found that sublingual absorption is a good middle ground between fast acting vapourizing and edibles. I've developed a subcritical water (steam) extraction method to make honey oil so neither butane nor CO2 are needed to make a tincture of greater potency and quality than Sativex by GW Pharmaceuticals. Basic recipe in the Sublingual Tincture link at the bottom of this post.

Now that we can produce a potent cost effective tincture at home in our kitchens we need the proper solvents and delivery system. We want to avoid alcohol if possible, but I haven't taken the time to research alternative solvents. Sublingual tablets are also on the wish list.

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If someone wants to make a major contribution to the world medical marijuana community, if you can research:

- possible non alcoholic, non toxic solvents;
- spray bottles - where to get medical quality cheap;
- how to clean clogged spray pumps;
- is there a single solvent that we could use to replace the grape seed oil carrier / alcohol solvent mixture?

Thanks for any help that you can give.

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karri0n

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I'm surprised very many people don't just do this as part of the recipe. How do you cook the butter for long enough without burning it if you don't use a water method?
 

Hobbes

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Karri0n Dr Jay's Black out bud butter recipe uses a crock pot, it keeps the butter just below or around simmer and makes a very potent, if nasty, cannabutter. Doc's recipe is in the cooking chapter of Weed Science, download link at the bottom of this post.

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Hobbes

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Thanks Hammer, I'll look through and find some options. I've been paying $6 for a Cetophyl bottle, $0.35 is a nice change! Plus we'll get better quality.

An asthma refillable bottle would be the best quality, something cheap that can be thrown out when clogged would be economical. We'll have to order a few of each and find the ones that work best within those ranges.

Thanks!

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karri0n

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Karri0n Dr Jay's Black out bud butter recipe uses a crock pot, it keeps the butter just below or around simmer and makes a very potent, if nasty, cannabutter. Doc's recipe is in the cooking chapter of Weed Science, download link at the bottom of this post.

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Yup I saw the picture in there, it looks DISGUSTING :spew:
 
we made our butter for the first time in the crock and ,it seems like the thick stuff is all on the bottom ,it hasnt cooled 8 hrs yet but it looks watery on top
 

hammer6913

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we made our butter for the first time in the crock and ,it seems like the thick stuff is all on the bottom ,it hasnt cooled 8 hrs yet but it looks watery on top
i havent had much luck with butteri used trim and some sm bud. i would harvest cook harvest cook etc. so it is 3 time cooked all that good trim gave me no buzz no pain releif nothin just a waste of my time. make either hash or oil or use the plant in ur brownies
 

ByNudge

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regrets I MacGyvered an Alcohol Reflux Extractor last night, I think if you used that on the remaining plant matter you will get out the most resin possible, then you can refine that with the Extractor to remove virtually all chlorophyll and terpin taste and distill out the alcohol if desired.

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DIY: crock pot Alcohol Reflux: resin Extractor, tincture Refiner, alcohol Distiller (and now cannabutter refiner)




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Crock Pot lid with hanging coffee basket


1 hour of reflux extraction (started with clear vodka solvent, 40% alcohol):


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I followed a forum link to the Cold Finger Extractor by Eden (diagram and link below) and three things came to mind very quickly:


  1. The diagram brought up an instant image of the evaporation/rain cycle poster in my grade 4 class 35 years ago;
  2. I figured I could make one in less than an hour from kitchen items;
  3. They were charging $395 for the equivalent of a Pyrex coffee pot, Pyrex cone shaped dish, and a metal coffee basket. About $385.05 more than I paid for a much tougher 16 cup Pyrex measuring cup at Canadian Tire and $389 more than i paid for the crock pot above.



http://www.edenlabs.org/home_light_commercial.html

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A reflux extractor is very simple:


In a closed system the alcohol is heated above it's boiling point (79C) but below water's boiling point (you gotta look that up yourself);


  1. the heated alcohol rises as steam until it hits the ceiling of our reflux system (upside down crock pot lid), the water stays liquid in the heated reservoir below;
  2. we put ice/snow/cold water on the top of the reflux apparatus (crock pot concave lid turned upside down) so when the alcohol steam hits the cold glass/plastic it condenses and gravity pulls the water droplets down the convex upside down crock pot top until;
  3. the alcohol droplets collect at the bottom/center of the upside down cover and drip downward to the metal coffee screen basket hanging from the cover;
  4. The dripping alcohol (still warm), which is a higher percentage than the alcohol in the reservoir (but not 100% alcohol), drips through the marijuana in the coffee basket carrying: dissolved resin, terpins, chlorophyll and some plant matter into the heated reservoir below.
  5. As well, alcohol steam will rise and work through the marijuana in the coffee basket. (the same way water steam in a coffee maker will rise and go through the coffee grinds and drip bitter coffee after a pot is done, so we remove the coffee grinds as soon as the hot water drips through).


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Now we can: refine the alcohol tincture; remove the honey oil for use elsewhere; and/or distil alcohol. This step couldn't be simpler:



  1. Change the coffee filter for a sold metal cup. Done.


The alcohol (and some water) will collect in the cup, most of the water will stay below in the heated reservoir with the resin, water, chlorophyll, terpins and plant mater. If you are refining or extracting honey oil remember to add hot water to the reservoir after the alcohol is extracted to the cup, you want to keep the chlorophyll, terpins and plant matter in solution while letting the non water soluble resin sinks to the bottom. Put things in the fridge until the water is cold before pouring the water out so all the resin falls out of solution.

The alcohol collected in the cup will be of a higher percentage than what you started with and will be much cleaner than the reservoir but you may want to distill it again, after cleaning out the reservoir, to make it taste better and to raise the percentage of alcohol. After several reflux distillings we can take 40% vodka up to 60% or 70% - a higher percentage will take a more complex reflux device.

I'm going to refine my tincture and do a butane extraction on the remaining grinds in the basket to see how efficient the reflux extraction was. I'll post some results later today. Anyone who gives this a try please post your results, pics and any advice you can give us.

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Items needed: (substitutions can be made, don't go out and buy anything until we go over what you can replace items with ie crock pot coffee pot with screw off handle and spout (flat rimed); flat rimmed Pyrex bowl, plate, cooking dish; stove)

- Crock pot
- Coffee basket
- Wire / screws to connect coffee pot to basket
- Floating kitchen thermometer Fill your crock pot with water and check the temperature at the different levels - we need 80C+, the higher we go the quicker the extraction; if we go too high we evaporate more water.
- Ice
- Towel (to remove the melted ice water from the lid, stay low tech)
- I'm adding an I-bolt for a handle for the concave side, the screw has to hang below to hold the basket.
- Rubber washer to ease tension on the glass cover if you reverse the handle. If you have a glass knob handle just make a wire noose to hang the coffee basket.

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Explosion, Fire, Disaster beyond Saving Private Ryan's beach scene warning!

Alcohol is flamable in it's liquid form at 50%, or 100 proof that the press gang isn't watering down the crews rum. It is explosive in it's gaseous form - the alcohol steam we are refluxing. If a flame hit's that gas - or any gas escaping from the extractor - you are going to have an explosion. No smoking, no flames, no other heat sources, no electric sparks, no wearing wool on a dry day.

Don't become a statistic.

This is a relatively safe reflux apparatus because - very little pressure can be built up (the lid will pop up), there is no open flame, there is very little alcohol gas produced in the volume of a small crock pot. BUT operator recklessness will cause a problem.

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I'll be back with results from refining, distilling and running a butane extraction on the plant matter to see how efficient the reflux extraction was. I'll post design improvements and cooking dishes we can substitute for the crock pot and lid - the deeper the "cold finger" comes into the heating reservoir the quicker the extraction (more cold surface area for alcohol condensation). Anyone who has suggestions, advice or a better design please contribute all you can.

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bongsmilie
How did this turn out? I am trying to increase the potency of my oil, but I'm using old bbuds and I did your refining process twice to pull out the grassiness. Any advice would be excellent!
 

Hobbes

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ByNudge the best way I've found to increase potency is to do an alcohol extraction, then reduce the extract in a sauce pan on a low heat until all the alcohol is boiled off and all that you're left with is the extract cannabinoids.

Then add enough oil to the concentrate to get the desired potency.

Here's a video from Magical Butter Machine doing just this:

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