JohnnyDAgrower
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I know this is off subject but my eyes are itching I'm so high! it hurts a little
Religious views
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indy kuh
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You also have to take in mind that by believing in God, you are disbelieving in anyother god, like Allah...which makes you an infadel...you shall now suffer eternal damnation
indy kuh
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JohnnyDAgrower
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Religion is always an interesting topic when you're stoned. That and books.
indy kuh
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The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.
Of the various methods I've seen to "explain" these:
1. "That is to be taken metaphorically." In other words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this entertaining, especially for those who decide what ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF GOD--which just happens to agree with the particular thing they happen to want...
2. "There was more there than...." This is used when one verse says "there was a" and another says "there was b," so they decide there was "a" AND "b"--which is said nowhere. This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there WASN'T "a+b." But it doesn't say there was "a+b+little green martians." This is often the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible interpretation (i.e., only "a") and the only way. I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to verses.
3. "It has to be understood in context." I find this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the contradictory set which is supposed to be taken as THE TRUTH when, if you add more to it, it suddenly becomes "out of context." How many of you have gotten JUST John 3:16 (taken out of all context) thrown at you?
4. "There was just a copying/writing error." This is sometimes called a "transcription error," as in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was copied down. Or what was "quoted" wasn't really what was said, but just what the author thought was said. And that's right--I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing misdirection to the problem that the Bible itself is wrong.
5. "That is a miracle." Naturally. That is why it is stated as fact.
6. "God works in mysterious ways." A useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the Bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.
Of the various methods I've seen to "explain" these:
1. "That is to be taken metaphorically." In other words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this entertaining, especially for those who decide what ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF GOD--which just happens to agree with the particular thing they happen to want...
2. "There was more there than...." This is used when one verse says "there was a" and another says "there was b," so they decide there was "a" AND "b"--which is said nowhere. This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there WASN'T "a+b." But it doesn't say there was "a+b+little green martians." This is often the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible interpretation (i.e., only "a") and the only way. I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to verses.
3. "It has to be understood in context." I find this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the contradictory set which is supposed to be taken as THE TRUTH when, if you add more to it, it suddenly becomes "out of context." How many of you have gotten JUST John 3:16 (taken out of all context) thrown at you?
4. "There was just a copying/writing error." This is sometimes called a "transcription error," as in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was copied down. Or what was "quoted" wasn't really what was said, but just what the author thought was said. And that's right--I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing misdirection to the problem that the Bible itself is wrong.
5. "That is a miracle." Naturally. That is why it is stated as fact.
6. "God works in mysterious ways." A useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the Bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.
Leothwyn
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^^ Your post reminded me of this letter... really funny:
Dear Dr. Laura
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack
Dear Dr. Laura
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack
captiankush
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Born and raised Orthodox Christian, My dog tags said christian and I have the word for Christian in arabic tatto'd on my body...I don't try to change anyone's beliefs, I am a live and let live kinda guy but I definitely have faith.
CK
CK
JohnnyDAgrower
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lol thats hilarious
indy kuh
Active Member
hahaha thats exactly what im talking about + rep bro
ANC
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We are humans and experiential in our nature, its hard to believe in that which we did not experience yet.
I have always had a dubious relationship with the church and even as a small child the rules applied by "men" made me suspicious.
Luckily God found me again, I wish everyone could experience what i experienced this past Friday night when I merged with the source of every design in the multiverse.
As I tried to explain, the return to my day to day conciousness was like being shat out into a gutter... compared to the mind I was a part of for an eternity a few seconds before.
Open your eyes friend, just look hard enough, I am telling you there is a greater chance of a hurricane assembling a spacecraft after hitting a parts warehouse than there is to see what we are are seeing by accident, created from nothing...
one love
I have always had a dubious relationship with the church and even as a small child the rules applied by "men" made me suspicious.
Luckily God found me again, I wish everyone could experience what i experienced this past Friday night when I merged with the source of every design in the multiverse.
As I tried to explain, the return to my day to day conciousness was like being shat out into a gutter... compared to the mind I was a part of for an eternity a few seconds before.
Open your eyes friend, just look hard enough, I am telling you there is a greater chance of a hurricane assembling a spacecraft after hitting a parts warehouse than there is to see what we are are seeing by accident, created from nothing...
one love
hightyde27
Active Member
And
"Born and raised Orthodox Christian, My dog tags said christian and I have the word for Christian in arabic tatto'd on my body...I don't try to change anyone's beliefs, I am a live and let live kinda guy but I definitely have faith.
CK"
I'm Orthodox as well. Totally laid back faith deep with mysticism. I love it. +rep and a bong hit
captiankush
Well-Known Member
Many thanks.
I'm Orthodox as well. Totally laid back faith deep with mysticism. I love it. +rep and a bong hit
There is nothing like a Pascha service, very moving. 8 hour vigils, the taste of meat after the fast, vodka after the fast...oh, at this time I am very happy to be of Russian heritage!
CK
dukeofbaja
New Member
Wow this thread has not degenrated at all. I am proud to see we can talk about religion so nicely.
My views on religion are ever changing. I have been on most every part of the spectrum throughout my life. I thought I was pretty settled into the view that religion was just a cause of wars, oppresion, bla bla bla....but my views have since been amended to allow a healthy respect for all the good things religion can do.
Props and rep to Leothwyn for that hilarious article. It is a perfect example of how you ought to avoid such a literal, dogmatic interpretation of a book that has been translated through enough dead languages over so many years by so many people with varying agendas that its actual words are meaningless. It should be about what you get out of it that allows you to be kind to each other, live better lives, all these vague, grandiose hopeful ideas that we all strive for and only few truly attain.
Ghandi said it well "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ". (this is not to diss on Christians, only extremists/strict interpretationalists, which you can find examples of in any religion)
My current view on things is highly influenced by my last mushroom trip about 3 years ago...I think a lot about how at one time we were all one, a singularity (if you believe the big bang theory). We still are just one part of the same cosmic cloth just stretched out. Time and space and perception are all such crazy concepts. Because we study the universe, quite technically, the universe has become aware of itself. Existence is trippy shit when you think about it. We are all just piles of molecules, meat that thinks. When I see plants behave in ways that perpetuate their existence, just like we behave in ways that perpetuate our own existence, I get kinda trippy all over again (if I am high enough, and sometimes even if not). The world can seem so mundane if you let it, so don't. Becuase nothing about this ride we are on should be mundane, it is quite an incredible thing that we are concious of it at all
Time for a bong rip
My views on religion are ever changing. I have been on most every part of the spectrum throughout my life. I thought I was pretty settled into the view that religion was just a cause of wars, oppresion, bla bla bla....but my views have since been amended to allow a healthy respect for all the good things religion can do.
Props and rep to Leothwyn for that hilarious article. It is a perfect example of how you ought to avoid such a literal, dogmatic interpretation of a book that has been translated through enough dead languages over so many years by so many people with varying agendas that its actual words are meaningless. It should be about what you get out of it that allows you to be kind to each other, live better lives, all these vague, grandiose hopeful ideas that we all strive for and only few truly attain.
Ghandi said it well "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ". (this is not to diss on Christians, only extremists/strict interpretationalists, which you can find examples of in any religion)
My current view on things is highly influenced by my last mushroom trip about 3 years ago...I think a lot about how at one time we were all one, a singularity (if you believe the big bang theory). We still are just one part of the same cosmic cloth just stretched out. Time and space and perception are all such crazy concepts. Because we study the universe, quite technically, the universe has become aware of itself. Existence is trippy shit when you think about it. We are all just piles of molecules, meat that thinks. When I see plants behave in ways that perpetuate their existence, just like we behave in ways that perpetuate our own existence, I get kinda trippy all over again (if I am high enough, and sometimes even if not). The world can seem so mundane if you let it, so don't. Becuase nothing about this ride we are on should be mundane, it is quite an incredible thing that we are concious of it at all
Time for a bong rip
hightyde27
Active Member
I tripped out the first time a priest gave me a shot of vodka. I thought it was a trap. Some sort of Jedi priest mind fuck designed to trap me into an eternity of torment...Turns out he just wanted to get hammered.