Repirations for slavery

I'm sure everyone everywhere has been a victim at one point or another, so are we collectively trying to suss it all out now (?) to make a one time equalizing payment? Good luck. I guess if your group has been more recently historically antagonized, then it means you have more of a right to reparations than others... Smh, just make shit fair, now. Starts with outting Dumph. Paying people seems to only solve white guilt, imo.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

I'm sure everyone everywhere has been a victim at one point or another, so are we collectively trying to suss it all out now (?) to make a one time equalizing payment? Good luck. I guess if your group has been more recently historically antagonized, then it means you have more of a right to reparations than others... Smh, just make shit fair, now. Starts with outting Dumph. Paying people seems to only solve white guilt, imo.

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no everyone has not been a victim at one time or another, do tell of a people that were torn from their native land, sold, enslaved, raped, beaten, whipped, tortured, told they were less than human, lost spiritually language, culture and family DUE TO COLOR OF SKIN...and why do people think reparation is about paying in currency ?

londonfog said:

no everyone has not been a victim at one time or another, do tell of a people that were torn from their native land, sold, enslaved, raped, beaten, whipped, tortured, told they were less than human, lost spiritually language, culture and family DUE TO COLOR OF SKIN...and why do people think reparation is about paying in currency ?

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Have you no understanding of world history? Warring nations often enslaved other cultures. War was waged to enslave other cultures. This has been happening forever. Most here have been talking about reparations in some sort of monetary exchange.


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I'm not saying it's right, just an unproprtional weight towards what is recent vs what is less recent. (Maybe that's not the correct way to view it, just my opinion so far) Neither past can be undone, so why does the recent get more validity? That's not fair to others, and that's what this whole argument was about, right? Fairness? I think we have to collectively agree to some things, and one is that the past can't be changed. So instead of saying sorry with money, change the mechanism that made it that way to begin with. Do away with wealth gap increases etc, increase access to healthcare and education, facilitate infrastructure and social investments.. Make policies to create even playing fileds, if this is what you were referring to by reparations then I'd say we agree.

londonfog said:

no everyone has not been a victim at one time or another, do tell of a people that were torn from their native land, sold, enslaved, raped, beaten, whipped, tortured, told they were less than human, lost spiritually language, culture and family DUE TO COLOR OF SKIN...and why do people think reparation is about paying in currency ?

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Ummmm... not sure you understand there is an entire world of warring nations besides America that have done this to a multitude of cultures over the course of history. How about Hitler and the Jews for just one example? Ring any bells?

londonfog said:

no everyone has not been a victim at one time or another, do tell of a people that were torn from their native land, sold, enslaved, raped, beaten, whipped, tortured, told they were less than human, lost spiritually language, culture and family DUE TO COLOR OF SKIN...and why do people think reparation is about paying in currency ?

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The cherokee
The cree
The seminole
The Lapis [delaware]

Aka your ancestors victims, maybe we can have another thread glorifying the buffalo soldier while glancing past the discrepencies.....of reality butch pants

londonfog said:

no everyone has not been a victim at one time or another, do tell of a people that were torn from their native land, sold, enslaved, raped, beaten, whipped, tortured, told they were less than human, lost spiritually language, culture and family DUE TO COLOR OF SKIN...and why do people think reparation is about paying in currency ?

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Abiqua said:

The cherokee
The cree
The seminole
The Lapis [delaware]

Aka your ancestors victims, maybe we can have another thread glorifying the buffalo soldier while glancing past the discrepencies.....of reality butch pants

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I’m pretty sure that londonfog’s ancestors had zero to do with wiping out the Indians.

BurtMaklin said:

Ummmm... not sure you understand there is an entire world of warring nations besides America that have done this to a multitude of cultures over the course of history. How about Hitler and the Jews for just one example? Ring any bells?

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what nation made color a reasoning and justification for slavery ? What other nation was built on the very act ?

Abiqua said:

The cherokee
The cree
The seminole
The Lapis [delaware]

Aka your ancestors victims, maybe we can have another thread glorifying the buffalo soldier while glancing past the discrepencies.....of reality butch pants

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Native Americans and Blacks are pretty much the same. Difference being one was still intact with her land.
Common enemy was ? FYI. Many Indigenous peoples have a significant degree of African Heritage. Cheerokee being one.

squarepush3r said:

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Only fools believe something because it is in the form of a meme. Fools and @Rob Roy.
Neanderthals have somehow taken over. Who let the fucks out the cave. Stupidity runs deep within you. Please don't breed.

kelly4 said:

I’m pretty sure that londonfog’s ancestors had zero to do with wiping out the Indians.

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I can actually lay claim to some of my ancestors being indigenous people. Indians are an ignorant term that a lost rapist coined. On the path to truthfulness you won't use that word to describe natives to this land. Christopher dumbass Columbus thought he was in East Indies (Indonesia). Calling the people Indians. The fool was in the Caribbean's in which much later became know as the West Indies

squarepush3r said:

Just checking if your system is actually logically consistent

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the white power guy is only interested in the logical consistency of systems, people.

we all believe that

Fogdog said:

I don't think it's that easy. The objective is to make whole or repair the damage. Then, who, how, and when will we do this? Just like so many things, it's not a matter of simply paying up. Also there is the continuance of systemic racism. We need to stop fucking with people simply because they are black.

Just saying, some thought needs to be put into it. The first step, which hasn't yet been made, is to decide to own the problem we created when we decided to systematically treat a group of people as inferiors and subjugate them.

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You're right but it's a start. Hopefully increasing black property ownership and, through taxation and relocation (into more affluent white neighborhoods) black educational opportunities will increase and in 4 generations undo some of the damage of slavery.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

Have you no understanding of world history? Warring nations often enslaved other cultures. War was waged to enslave other cultures. This has been happening forever. Most here have been talking about reparations in some sort of monetary exchange.


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I'm not saying it's right, just an unproprtional weight towards what is recent vs what is less recent. (Maybe that's not the correct way to view it, just my opinion so far) Neither past can be undone, so why does the recent get more validity? That's not fair to others, and that's what this whole argument was about, right? Fairness? I think we have to collectively agree to some things, and one is that the past can't be changed. So instead of saying sorry with money, change the mechanism that made it that way to begin with. Do away with wealth gap increases etc, increase access to healthcare and education, facilitate infrastructure and social investments.. Make policies to create even playing fileds, if this is what you were referring to by reparations then I'd say we agree.

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If you acknowledge its not the correct way to view it why not change your view instead of clinging to wrong opinions?

londonfog said:

I can actually lay claim to some of my ancestors being indigenous people. Indians are an ignorant term that a lost rapist coined. On the path to truthfulness you won't use that word to describe natives to this land. Christopher dumbass Columbus thought he was in East Indies (Indonesia). Calling the people Indians. The fool was in the Caribbean's in which much later became know as the West Indies

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Didn't "native americans" come to North America via Asia ?

Did they displace any indigenous people or occupants in North America ?

bundee1 said:

If you acknowledge its not the correct way to view it why not change your view instead of clinging to wrong opinions?

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It has nothing to do with viewing it correctly. You've misunderstood what I was saying. I acknowledge enslaving others isn't right. I'm saying I'm not sure if my opinion is right or wrong about putting more weight into recent persecutions vs older persecutions, I'm saying that I currently don't think it's right to put more weight to some persecuted groups over other persecuted groups based solely by how closely, historically they've been affected.

I wonder where the wealthy get their attitude toward working people. It couldn't be from how slaves were treated and how even after all the atrocities of slavery those who profited off of the demise of others got to keep their wealth and then hand it down through generations. Surely goodness will magically enter the hearts of racists and tyrants and they will give us back what they stole. That all peoples will be treated equally and fairly while the unjust keep their stolen wealth while children still go hungry when there's plenty of food in the world shows that little has changed. How many Donald Trump's does it take to make a point?

BurtMaklin said:

Minimum wage is slavery, and the cost of child/health/dental care is its whip. That doesn't include saving for retirement if you don't want to live in abject poverty.

The world was/is built on the backs of slaves, not just in the past nor is just an American thing. If we had to pay the true cost of our disposable lifestyle, the economy would come to a grinding halt and a major, hostile redistribution of assets would pretty much change the world as we know it.

Reparations aren't the answer. Reparations will be paid for by tax payers, and we all know rich (white) people and corporations don't pay their share of taxes, so you would be punishing poor and middle class Americans, black Americans included. There's nothing more American than making black Americans pay their own reparations.

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minimum wage isn't slavery...not paying attention in school is self slavery...not learning how to do anything but run a cash register and stock shelves is self slavery...choosing to have children when you can't financially support them is not only self slavery, it's adding more slaves to the pool...
the "minimum wage" isn't the problem...a society that tells kids that they're winners when they lose is part of the problem. a society that has had generations of people on welfare is part of the problem. a society that values appearances more than ability is a part of the problem. politicians that don't give a shit about their constituents, beyond how to keep them voting for them, is a big part of the problem....
the minimum wage sets the bottom line at the grocery store...that's about all it does. you can make it twice as high, and in a year, the prices of groceries, doing laundry, child care, will rise to eat up any increase in the minimum wage...
what needs to be fixed is the way we do things in general.
there are hundreds of thousands of people on welfare. how about building large child care centers, testing some of these welfare recipients, and putting them to work watching children, so other people can afford child care, and go to work?
how about improved mass transit, so people can get to work a little faster, and don't have to waste an hour or more a day waiting for a ride to their minimum wage jobs?
how about building some more clinics in low income areas, and letting doctors and nurses work off their student loans at them?
this whole thread is about money, when it should be about human dignity. give someone a hand full of cash, and tell them that you're sorry for something you didn't do, and didn't happen to them...and what do you have? white people who feel like they're all square, and minorities that will soon be poor again...

londonfog said:

what nation made color a reasoning and justification for slavery ? What other nation was built on the very act ?

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greece
north africa
the ottoman empire
ethiopia
somalia
ghana
mali
libya
Brazil
suriname
puerto rico
jamaica
armenians
byzantium
parthia
chaldea.....
i'm tired of typing, the list is still huge....

we're guilty...but we didn't invent a fucking thing...

Roger A. Shrubber said:

greece
north africa
the ottoman empire
ethiopia
somalia
ghana
mali
libya
Brazil
suriname
puerto rico
jamaica
armenians
byzantium
parthia
chaldea.....
i'm tired of typing, the list is still huge....

we're guilty...but we didn't invent a fucking thing...

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Actually, the US race based generational slavery system was unusal in world history. Not a single country you listed had anything like what the US had.