Silky Shagsalot
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LOL, he's just another friggin cog......
*Republican Poised to win Late Senetor Kennedy's Seat!!! Amazing!!
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Silky Shagsalot
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how did you know i rode a bike?
Mcgician
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Hell fuckin yeah!
CrackerJax
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The ship may be finally starting to find her tack.
Hang on mates!!!
We're going round the horn!!
Hang on mates!!!
We're going round the horn!!
Big P
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not so fast gentlman, the Ego has landed
OBAMA PLEDGES FULL SPEED AHEAD ON HEALTH REFORM...
Fallout: Dems rethinking health bill
By: Carrie Budoff Brown and Patrick O'Connor
January 19, 2010 09:33 PM EST
Republican Scott Browns upset win in Massachusetts Tuesday threatened to derail any hopes of passing a health reform bill this year, as the White House and Democratic leaders faced growing resistance from rank-and-file members to pressing ahead with a bill following the Bay State backlash.
White House senior adviser David Axelrod told POLITICO: I think that it would a terrible mistake to walk away now. If we dont pass the bill, all we have is the stigma of a caricature that was put on it. That would be the worst result for everybody who has supported this bill. He said the administration will work with Capitol Hill to figure out how.
Obama's former campaign manger, David Plouffe, added on ABC's "Good Morning America": "I'm very confident we can pass health-care reform."
Democratic leaders insisted they planned to press ahead with health reform, and met late into Tuesday night in Speaker Nancy Pelosis office. But they made no decisions about how to proceed, now that Brown has swept away the Democrats filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate.
Their options are few, and extremely complex, mostly involving legislative tactics that would be difficult to pull off in the best of circumstances, let alone at a time when members are worried they could be the next Martha Coakley a seeming Democratic shoo-in laid low, in part, by health reform.
And already Tuesday night, Democrats were being forced to come to terms with the prospect that their decades-long goal of health reform might once again fall short, despite getting closer to becoming law than ever before.
Pelosi insisted Democrats could still make it happen. "We will get the job done. I am confident of that. I have always been confident of that," she told reporters as she left the Capitol at 11:30 p.m.
"Massachusetts has health care and so the rest of the country would like to have that too," Pelosi said, referring to the states health care program. "So we don't [think] a state that already has health care should determine whether the rest of the country should."
But it wasnt clear last night how Democrats could do it, or how hard the White House is prepared to push. A statement by Press Secretary Robert Gibbs announcing that President Barack Obama called Coakley and Brown made no mention of health reform.
The White Houses preferred option is for the House to approve the already-passed Senate version of health reform, to avoid the need for another vote in the Senate. But several House members said last night theyre not prepared to pass the Senate bill alone even if it means health care reform would die.
In fact, early signs of split emerged as the polls closed in Massachusetts between leaders like House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer who said the Senate bill is better than nothing, and individual members who refused to swallow the Senates version of health reform whole.
And with the winning majority for a health reform bill in the House so thin, almost any defections at this point would be fatal to reforms prospects.
"I've maintained for months now that incremental reform in the health care package would make much more sense from my perspective," said California Rep. Jim Costa, one of the last Democrats to vote "yes" on the House bill.
He said he'd like to see Obama tell voters that "we may have been overreaching" and then push for a scaled-back bill that focuses on things more people can agree on, like insurance reforms. He said it's not just a question of the House bill versus the Senate bill. "For me, it's broader than that," Costa said.
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), one of the leading advocates for health reform in the House, urged fellow Democrats to heed the message of Massachusetts and pivot toward creating jobs, perhaps with a health-care component added in.
"If there isn't any recognition that we got the message and we are trying to recalibrate and do things differently, we are not only going to risk looking ignorant but arrogant, he said.
One other option available to Democrats is ramming a revised reform package through the Senate in the roughly two weeks before Brown takes office. That idea already was fading in popularity before Tuesdays vote, with Democrats knowing theyd be slammed for such a political power-play.
But moderate Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) effectively put the idea to rest Tuesday night, calling the Brown victory a referendum on health reform and taking a swipe at his party's leadership by calling for more transparency in the process.
To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated, Webb said in a statement.
Still, Democrats are floating the idea of a two-step process passing the Senate bill in the House in step one, then passing a second clean-up bill to fix the things in the Senate bill that House members dont like. The Senate then would have to pass the clean-up bill in a reconciliation process meaning it would only need 51 votes.
But the deep resistance to the Senate bill among many House members shows that even this legislative tactic would be difficult to pull off.
Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) was skeptical of the two-step scenario. I've heard that theory but I don't know if it works," he said. "The problem is this we are spending almost a trillion dollars and folks are telling me I should vote yes and we will fix it later. You wouldn't buy a car for a trillion dollars and say yeah, it doesn't run but we will fix it later."
Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.) said, "We were fully expecting to go some kind of conference committee and work out those differences [with the Senate]. And there are still differences to work out. I cannot imagine, from one person, one member from Indiana, that this House would accept the Senate bill as is."
Liberal activists pushing for health reform pressed Democrats to keep up the fight. Health Care for America Now's Richard Kirsch said, When it comes to the need to make good health care affordable, nothing is different today than it was yesterday. Congress must keep going and finish reform right.
But Brown himself called his election a message that voters particularly independent ones didnt want to embrace Obamas vision of reform.
People do not want the trillion dollar health care plan that is being forced on the American people, and this bill is not being debated openly and fairly. It will raise taxes, it will hurt Medicare, it will destroy jobs and run our nation deeper in to debt, Brown said in his acceptance speech.
And in the Senate, two moderates, Democrat Evan Bayh of Indiana and Independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, separately raised concerns Tuesday about the direction of the Democrats agenda, with Bayh saying he feared the Democrats policy plans had gone too far to the left.
Its why moderates and independents even in a state as Democratic as Massachusetts just arent buying our message, he told ABC News. They just dont believe the answers we are currently proposing are solving their problems. Thats something that has to be corrected.
As the early results poured in, House leaders and the three chairmen with jurisdiction over the bill walked their colleagues through changes that had been negotiated with the White House and Senate but barely mentioning the political meltdown in the Massachusetts.
Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) told colleagues that the three parties were close to an agreement on adding a new Medicare tax on unearned income for individuals who make more than $200,000 and couples who earn more than $250,000, people present said. On a normal night, that would amount to big news.
On Tuesday, it was a sidebar to the drama resolving itself in Massachusetts.
Weiner said the tone of the caucus meeting was "whistling past the graveyard."
After the meeting, House Democratic caucus chairman John Larson (D-Conn.) said of the bill: "The reports of its death as Mark Twain would say - have been exaggerated."
He downplayed the negative comments from members, saying they routinely leave caucus meetings and declare it dead. "Every time we come out of a caucus, everyone pronounces the bill dead or it's not going to pass," Larson said.
Earlier Tuesday, Pelosi said Tuesday that House Democrats are still "right on course" with the health care reform bill, regardless of what happens in the Massachusetts special election.
But by Tuesday night, in the caucus meeting, Pelosi said, "Whatever happens tonight, we can't ignore it," according to the notes of someone present.
House Republican Leader John Boehner fired back at Pelosis right on course comment, with spokesman Michael Steel saying, Regardless of what happens in Massachusetts, its clear that jamming this government takeover of health care through Congress will set off a political firestorm. The American people are screaming, stop at the top of their lungs, and out-of-touch Democratic leaders ignore them at their peril.
Despite the deep misgivings of rank-and-file members, a decision to abandon health care reform would contradict every major rationale offered by the president and congressional Democrats as to why they pushed so hard for it over the last year.
Before Tuesday, Obama and congressional Democrats were actually on the verge of passing a major overhaul of the health care system that has eluded generations of presidents and lawmakers. Giving up on it now might appear reasonable from a political standpoint in light of a Massachusetts defeat, but some Democrats fear they will look back at some point and regret deserting the bill given how far along they actually were.
The move would also run counter to the reputed ethos of the Obama White House, which regards itself as taking the long view and not reacting to every development. Plus, Obama and Democrats have argued they cannot solve the nations budgetary problems before dealing with health care. Those policy challenges will still be present after the polls close in Massachusetts, Democrats argue.
"For a lot of us it is our second round, and the most important thing is we know we will never get this economy under any kind of control until we get health care costs under control," Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) said. "We're not doing this to aggravate people."
From a political standpoint, the White House will argue that Democrats own the bill either way. Most members of Congress have already for voted for the legislation, so they should take this last push to get it over the finish line and have a product to tout at the end -- rather than failure.
But under the most-discussed scenario, the White House and Senate leaders would need to convince a skeptical House to trust them that the Senate will approve the same set of changes as part of a reconciliation bill. With relations between the House and Senate strained, at best, it will be a tough lift, aides said.
But if the alternative is no bill at all, Democrats may have little choice.
OBAMA PLEDGES FULL SPEED AHEAD ON HEALTH REFORM...
Fallout: Dems rethinking health bill
By: Carrie Budoff Brown and Patrick O'Connor
January 19, 2010 09:33 PM EST
Republican Scott Browns upset win in Massachusetts Tuesday threatened to derail any hopes of passing a health reform bill this year, as the White House and Democratic leaders faced growing resistance from rank-and-file members to pressing ahead with a bill following the Bay State backlash.
White House senior adviser David Axelrod told POLITICO: I think that it would a terrible mistake to walk away now. If we dont pass the bill, all we have is the stigma of a caricature that was put on it. That would be the worst result for everybody who has supported this bill. He said the administration will work with Capitol Hill to figure out how.
Obama's former campaign manger, David Plouffe, added on ABC's "Good Morning America": "I'm very confident we can pass health-care reform."
Democratic leaders insisted they planned to press ahead with health reform, and met late into Tuesday night in Speaker Nancy Pelosis office. But they made no decisions about how to proceed, now that Brown has swept away the Democrats filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate.
Their options are few, and extremely complex, mostly involving legislative tactics that would be difficult to pull off in the best of circumstances, let alone at a time when members are worried they could be the next Martha Coakley a seeming Democratic shoo-in laid low, in part, by health reform.
And already Tuesday night, Democrats were being forced to come to terms with the prospect that their decades-long goal of health reform might once again fall short, despite getting closer to becoming law than ever before.
Pelosi insisted Democrats could still make it happen. "We will get the job done. I am confident of that. I have always been confident of that," she told reporters as she left the Capitol at 11:30 p.m.
"Massachusetts has health care and so the rest of the country would like to have that too," Pelosi said, referring to the states health care program. "So we don't [think] a state that already has health care should determine whether the rest of the country should."
But it wasnt clear last night how Democrats could do it, or how hard the White House is prepared to push. A statement by Press Secretary Robert Gibbs announcing that President Barack Obama called Coakley and Brown made no mention of health reform.
The White Houses preferred option is for the House to approve the already-passed Senate version of health reform, to avoid the need for another vote in the Senate. But several House members said last night theyre not prepared to pass the Senate bill alone even if it means health care reform would die.
In fact, early signs of split emerged as the polls closed in Massachusetts between leaders like House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer who said the Senate bill is better than nothing, and individual members who refused to swallow the Senates version of health reform whole.
And with the winning majority for a health reform bill in the House so thin, almost any defections at this point would be fatal to reforms prospects.
"I've maintained for months now that incremental reform in the health care package would make much more sense from my perspective," said California Rep. Jim Costa, one of the last Democrats to vote "yes" on the House bill.
He said he'd like to see Obama tell voters that "we may have been overreaching" and then push for a scaled-back bill that focuses on things more people can agree on, like insurance reforms. He said it's not just a question of the House bill versus the Senate bill. "For me, it's broader than that," Costa said.
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), one of the leading advocates for health reform in the House, urged fellow Democrats to heed the message of Massachusetts and pivot toward creating jobs, perhaps with a health-care component added in.
"If there isn't any recognition that we got the message and we are trying to recalibrate and do things differently, we are not only going to risk looking ignorant but arrogant, he said.
One other option available to Democrats is ramming a revised reform package through the Senate in the roughly two weeks before Brown takes office. That idea already was fading in popularity before Tuesdays vote, with Democrats knowing theyd be slammed for such a political power-play.
But moderate Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) effectively put the idea to rest Tuesday night, calling the Brown victory a referendum on health reform and taking a swipe at his party's leadership by calling for more transparency in the process.
To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated, Webb said in a statement.
Still, Democrats are floating the idea of a two-step process passing the Senate bill in the House in step one, then passing a second clean-up bill to fix the things in the Senate bill that House members dont like. The Senate then would have to pass the clean-up bill in a reconciliation process meaning it would only need 51 votes.
But the deep resistance to the Senate bill among many House members shows that even this legislative tactic would be difficult to pull off.
Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) was skeptical of the two-step scenario. I've heard that theory but I don't know if it works," he said. "The problem is this we are spending almost a trillion dollars and folks are telling me I should vote yes and we will fix it later. You wouldn't buy a car for a trillion dollars and say yeah, it doesn't run but we will fix it later."
Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.) said, "We were fully expecting to go some kind of conference committee and work out those differences [with the Senate]. And there are still differences to work out. I cannot imagine, from one person, one member from Indiana, that this House would accept the Senate bill as is."
Liberal activists pushing for health reform pressed Democrats to keep up the fight. Health Care for America Now's Richard Kirsch said, When it comes to the need to make good health care affordable, nothing is different today than it was yesterday. Congress must keep going and finish reform right.
But Brown himself called his election a message that voters particularly independent ones didnt want to embrace Obamas vision of reform.
People do not want the trillion dollar health care plan that is being forced on the American people, and this bill is not being debated openly and fairly. It will raise taxes, it will hurt Medicare, it will destroy jobs and run our nation deeper in to debt, Brown said in his acceptance speech.
And in the Senate, two moderates, Democrat Evan Bayh of Indiana and Independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, separately raised concerns Tuesday about the direction of the Democrats agenda, with Bayh saying he feared the Democrats policy plans had gone too far to the left.
Its why moderates and independents even in a state as Democratic as Massachusetts just arent buying our message, he told ABC News. They just dont believe the answers we are currently proposing are solving their problems. Thats something that has to be corrected.
As the early results poured in, House leaders and the three chairmen with jurisdiction over the bill walked their colleagues through changes that had been negotiated with the White House and Senate but barely mentioning the political meltdown in the Massachusetts.
Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) told colleagues that the three parties were close to an agreement on adding a new Medicare tax on unearned income for individuals who make more than $200,000 and couples who earn more than $250,000, people present said. On a normal night, that would amount to big news.
On Tuesday, it was a sidebar to the drama resolving itself in Massachusetts.
Weiner said the tone of the caucus meeting was "whistling past the graveyard."
After the meeting, House Democratic caucus chairman John Larson (D-Conn.) said of the bill: "The reports of its death as Mark Twain would say - have been exaggerated."
He downplayed the negative comments from members, saying they routinely leave caucus meetings and declare it dead. "Every time we come out of a caucus, everyone pronounces the bill dead or it's not going to pass," Larson said.
Earlier Tuesday, Pelosi said Tuesday that House Democrats are still "right on course" with the health care reform bill, regardless of what happens in the Massachusetts special election.
But by Tuesday night, in the caucus meeting, Pelosi said, "Whatever happens tonight, we can't ignore it," according to the notes of someone present.
House Republican Leader John Boehner fired back at Pelosis right on course comment, with spokesman Michael Steel saying, Regardless of what happens in Massachusetts, its clear that jamming this government takeover of health care through Congress will set off a political firestorm. The American people are screaming, stop at the top of their lungs, and out-of-touch Democratic leaders ignore them at their peril.
Despite the deep misgivings of rank-and-file members, a decision to abandon health care reform would contradict every major rationale offered by the president and congressional Democrats as to why they pushed so hard for it over the last year.
Before Tuesday, Obama and congressional Democrats were actually on the verge of passing a major overhaul of the health care system that has eluded generations of presidents and lawmakers. Giving up on it now might appear reasonable from a political standpoint in light of a Massachusetts defeat, but some Democrats fear they will look back at some point and regret deserting the bill given how far along they actually were.
The move would also run counter to the reputed ethos of the Obama White House, which regards itself as taking the long view and not reacting to every development. Plus, Obama and Democrats have argued they cannot solve the nations budgetary problems before dealing with health care. Those policy challenges will still be present after the polls close in Massachusetts, Democrats argue.
"For a lot of us it is our second round, and the most important thing is we know we will never get this economy under any kind of control until we get health care costs under control," Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) said. "We're not doing this to aggravate people."
From a political standpoint, the White House will argue that Democrats own the bill either way. Most members of Congress have already for voted for the legislation, so they should take this last push to get it over the finish line and have a product to tout at the end -- rather than failure.
But under the most-discussed scenario, the White House and Senate leaders would need to convince a skeptical House to trust them that the Senate will approve the same set of changes as part of a reconciliation bill. With relations between the House and Senate strained, at best, it will be a tough lift, aides said.
But if the alternative is no bill at all, Democrats may have little choice.
CrackerJax
New Member
Yes, Obama continues to be out of step with the country.
The Democratic party has left any principles behind. This will cost them huge....
The Democratic party has left any principles behind. This will cost them huge....
best thing he said was,"let each state choose their own health care"
Big P
Well-Known Member
- JANUARY 19, 2010, 11:35 P.M. ET
To Win Back Vital Bloc, Party Plans to Retool Midterm-Election Message to Focus on Economy and Play Down Health Care
By PETER WALLSTEN
WASHINGTONDemocrats' loss in Tuesday's race for a Massachusetts Senate seat is a stark illustration of how support from independent voters has collapsed, a phenomenon that's prompting party leaders to revamp their playbook for this year's midterm elections.
Independent voterstypically centrist, white and working-classbacked President Barack Obama and the Democrats in 2008. But Massachusetts is now the third Obama-won state in the past three months where independents have swung decisively Republican.
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Associated Press Justin Bailey waits for Democrat Martha Coakley, to arrive Tuesday at a campaign stop in Springfield, Mass.
Polls in the days leading up to the vote suggested the lead for Republican Scott Brown came about largely because of his advantage among independents over Democrat Martha Coakley.
A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows that Mr. Obama's job-approval rating among independents nationwide is 41%. That's an 11-point drop from his performance on Election Day in 2008, when he won 52% of independents, and a near-20-point decline among that group from the heights of his popularity soon after taking office.
"The independents are the fulcrum of the American electorate," said Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducted the Journal survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. "Simply put, for the Democrats and Barack Obama, the arrows have been pointing down."
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Associated Press Scott Brown, supporter of Matt Paturzo, in Wrentham, Mass.
With Ms. Coakley's loss, a debate erupted late Tuesday among Democratic leaders and activists over how to win back independents. Liberal groups, such as union officials, demanded the party stick to its guns on core issues such as health care.
But party leaders called for shifting to a populist message talking about the economy and bashing Wall Street. Democrats plan to blame Republicans for the economy and align GOP candidates with their unpopular national leadership.
"The message needs to be on jobs, fiscal responsibility, and reminding people that if you turn back the clock, you're going to get the same policies that got us into this mess in the first place," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D., Md.), chairman of the Democrats' House campaign committee. "You can talk about health care in that context, but clearly not leading with health care."
Democratic strategists worry the numbers paint a gloomy picture in states with competitive House, Senate and gubernatorial races this year, especially those where independent voters hold sway, including Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida and Ohio. Those states weigh heavy on the White House because they will be battlegrounds for Mr. Obama's re-election campaign.
Massachusetts could be problematic again in November when Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick is up for re-election amid dropping approval ratings. Unexpected blue-state contests could erupt for Sen. Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) and Gov. Martin O'Malley of Maryland.
Republicans in November won the Virginia and New Jersey governorships by winning independents by two-to-one margins. In those states and Massachusetts, polls showed that independents were anxious about the economy and the rising jobless rate, with health care a less important issue.
Associated Press Residents in Seekonk, Mass., cast their votes in a special election to fill Sen. Ted's Kennedy senate seat on Tuesday.
Celinda Lake, Ms. Coakley's pollster, said angry voters want someone to blame for lousy economic conditions and political infighting in Washington. "Unless we ascribe blame to someone, they're going to blame us."
The Journal poll shows independent voters aren't enamored of the GOP either, and could be lured back to the Democrats again if the economy improves. Only about one-fourth of independents feel positively toward either party, according to the survey.
In Massachusetts, Ms. Coakley's eleventh-hour efforts to adopt the populist strategyshe attacked Mr. Brown for his opposition to the Obama administration's new bank taxdidn't seem to work. Republican strategists say that the line fails to address voters' worries about joblessness and government spending.
See a timeline of the Massachusetts Senate race.
"The voters don't want a boogeyman; they want less spending," said Nick Ayers, director of the Republican Governors Association.
Ms. Coakley's supporters credited Mr. Brown with successfully tapping into anxiety over employment and government spending.
"There are a lot of people who've lost their jobs, even some laid-off Teamsters, and they're frustrated," said Steve Sullivan, government-affairs liaison for Teamsters Local 25 in Boston.
Silky Shagsalot
Well-Known Member
LOL, the american public is pretty stupid, or like sheep! been in office for one year and hasn't solved all of our problems, impeach the bum!!! LOL, stupid sheep. has everyone forgotten what the bush's did to the u.s.??? yeah, let's put the repubs back in office so they can finish us off, stupid sheep, lol!!!
CrackerJax
New Member
No, in one year the ppl see who caused the financial crisis ... and who is now PILING on the debt.
Anyone paying attention sees that much.... which puts you in the corner of the room ... because you didn't do your homework.
Anyone paying attention sees that much.... which puts you in the corner of the room ... because you didn't do your homework.
Big P
Well-Known Member
lol and you talk about sheep!!!! do you have eyes man!!!
Obama to Nationalize $103 Billion Student Loan Industry...
Obama sticks to agenda...
Dems to lose 60-vote Senate supermajority...
Boehner: Dem leaders' 'arrogance' on health bill has 'the American people about ready to pull their hair out'...
Obama to Nationalize $103 Billion Student Loan Industry...
Obama sticks to agenda...
Dems to lose 60-vote Senate supermajority...
Boehner: Dem leaders' 'arrogance' on health bill has 'the American people about ready to pull their hair out'...
Big P
Well-Known Member
lol glen beck is on a tear
he just said to Scott brown over the air, the next republican senater from Mass:
"when you go to washington we are going to watch you like a hawk along with all the other members of congress"
the independents are rising,
abandon both partys, register as independent, make these fools work for our votes I just switched from republican to independent officially today
independent americans
freeeeeedom
and i missed this before so i retract my post above this post saying obama was a "complete" madman
Obama to Senate: Don't 'Jam' Through Health Care Until Brown Seated...
Reid: We'll wait on Brown for vote...
center center center move to the center and let the far right and far left piss off and get som twisletts!!!
lets get high homies!!
he just said to Scott brown over the air, the next republican senater from Mass:
"when you go to washington we are going to watch you like a hawk along with all the other members of congress"
the independents are rising,
abandon both partys, register as independent, make these fools work for our votes I just switched from republican to independent officially today
independent americans
freeeeeedom
and i missed this before so i retract my post above this post saying obama was a "complete" madman
Obama to Senate: Don't 'Jam' Through Health Care Until Brown Seated...
Reid: We'll wait on Brown for vote...
center center center move to the center and let the far right and far left piss off and get som twisletts!!!
lets get high homies!!
CrackerJax
New Member
I think he's being told by advisors that this ploy won't wash.... (postponing the seating) ... since the ppl are now focused on it.
I'm sure they would do it if they thought they could get away with it.
Like the union fiasco with health care..... what part of unconstitutional don't they understand?
I'm sure they would do it if they thought they could get away with it.
Like the union fiasco with health care..... what part of unconstitutional don't they understand?
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
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CrackerJax
New Member
Hahaha, well written.... even Hitler has regrets....
Heads Up
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Republicans, I will never understand your thinking. Most of you vote against your own best interests and fail to see that fact you are so blinded by hating 'big government' and the democrats in general. I'm glad you guys won the seat, now you can be seen for what you are every time a vote is needed on some bill, the party of no. Unless of course someone like George W. Bush is in charge. The story then changes. While he was president he expanded government by leaps and bounds, there's your big government. He created more debt than all the other presidents put together, there's your fiscal responsibility. His administration spied on Americans without their knowledge, to keep us safe. There's your freedom.
The top echelon of a company taking out almost sixty five percent of the profit, benefits them, not the workers or you and me but you guys defend their right to make that money to the death. Your beloved free markets raped us as a country and we the taxpayers have to foot the bill. How quickly we forget how the republican party left the country when President Bush finished his two terms. You guys crack me up.
The top echelon of a company taking out almost sixty five percent of the profit, benefits them, not the workers or you and me but you guys defend their right to make that money to the death. Your beloved free markets raped us as a country and we the taxpayers have to foot the bill. How quickly we forget how the republican party left the country when President Bush finished his two terms. You guys crack me up.
CrackerJax
New Member
nice and coherent and full of verifiable data ... 
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
Somebody break the news to this clown that Bush is not the President.
And to further add salt to the wound, someone should inform him that the Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress since 2006.
I guess I just did.
