grodrowithme
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what size are the trays? and do they hold 10 each?
RIU, You chose it, I'm growing it. Fucking Incredible!
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laserbrn
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My veg tray is 2x4 and my flower tray in my tent is 3x3. I am going to add another 2x4 to the veg room and actually use it to flower over the winter.
The plan is to flower this batch in the 4x4 tent and I'll either take lots of clones from these and get them flowering or I'll head the dispensary to find another strain.
So to summarize (Because I don't think I've explained this well) I'm going to have:
4x4 tent flowering Fucking Incredible under a 600w HPS
8x3 12' room split into two sides with 600wHPS on both sides. One side will have my current 2x4 tray running hydro and the other whill have soil potted plants. The purpose their is to see the dfference between soil and hydro in taste and quality of finished product. The growth I already know the hydro should stomp, but it's about finished product comparison.
Now that's an interesting and worthwhile experiment right there
I know what my guess is, but I'll be definitely checking that out when you start it up.
You gonna handwater the soil or have it automated via E&F? I know automating would technically make it "hydro", but I'm just curious..........
laserbrn
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I will handwater the soil plants. Too much work to automate it for this one grow. If I end up liking the soil better overall and switching my methodology I may eventually figure something out for automatic watering, but for the sake of the first grow I need to figure out how much watering is necessary, what size pots would be or would've been best etc. To some extent since this will only be my 2nd or 3rd soil grow and 1st since I really got "good" at growing I need to try to keep it as simple as possible and figure out it all out. I have pretty good knowledgbe of it, but the biggest piece of knowledge I've gained, "It get's better every time". So the first time while I'm sure will be successful I'll probably have 50 notes for things to do different next times. I've been using hydro for a long time and I'm just getting to the point where most of 'those' notes are just strain related.Now that's an interesting and worthwhile experiment right there
I know what my guess is, but I'll be definitely checking that out when you start it up.
You gonna handwater the soil or have it automated via E&F? I know automating would technically make it "hydro", but I'm just curious..........
For example: This strain had an N defeciency beginning at week 6 of flower.
I can't FIX the problem at 6 weeks of flowering, but I can sure as shit make sure that next time I provide more N early on to keep the leaves green longer.
If I've done 3 grows and they all display said N deficiency for example, then I know that the fertilizers I am using are lacking and pieces of shit.
So because every grow is a quest for knowledge and there are always things that happen and things I look back upon and wish I'd known, I feel that keeping the soil grow as simple as possible and taking the notes and learning the nuances is going to be the only way.
Little rant...sorry. That morning bowl sometimes just gets me good and high.
~Merry Christmas
speedyseedz
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I hope that everything will be flushed and dried properly before making that comparison
laserbrn
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Of course, this ain't my first rodeo. I think my hydro bud tastes just as good as soil buds.
None of my friends can tell the difference and there is a missing slight undertone from the bud, but nothing to offset my growth rates and yields. I'm just doing this as an experiment, I'm sure as fuck going to focus on taste. My drying and curing is spot on and it should be a good experiment.
speedyseedz
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I know someone who grew some bud in soil, he proper torched it with nutes and it came out tasting horrible,
I know people who grow bud in soil, take all the extra time and care and then dry it in 3 days so it has a fraction of the flavour.
Hydro bud is just as easy to spoil the taste, but I still firmly believe you can have it take the pepsi test with soil bud if you can do a good job.
HookedOnChronic
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looking good lsr!!
laserbrn
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I hear ya. My plan thus far is to use Happy Frog soil, then transplant to OF and use Tiger Bloom and Bloom Big and that's it. I know it's not 100% organic (Tiger Bloom), but with just that the buds should come out good right?
laserbrn
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Agreed, the fam bam just left and I finally got to smokin' Merry X-Mas RIU, and good night.
laserbrn
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Alright, I flushed my reservoir and got things back in order. The PPM was rising gradually so I refilled the reservoir with a weaker solution of nutrients. I think all that happened was the existing reservoir ran low on Nitrogen in particular and the plants weren't absorbing some of the other nutrients because at the same time the ppm was rising the lower leaves on the larger plants are yellowing slightly.
I refilled with a little bit weaker solution and today the ppm fell about 20ppm so I'll add a little more when I get back from peepin' the Christmas lights around town tonight. I have some plants that are a week behind so they have a slight tip burn from the nutes so right now it's still a balancing act between the two different maturity levels. Soon enough the one week difference will become nil and this will end, but it's made it more interesting nonetheless, haha.
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smokingrubber
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Can you give us specifics? What was the ppm? What is it now? ph? Thanks! Merry Christmas.
laserbrn
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yeah, the PPM was 350ppm when I set it and it crept up to about 450ppm over the course of the week. I didn't have any RO water avaialable so I let it go as it was a real slow rise, but at 450ppm I had to go ahead and make the call and I went out and bought 50gallons of water although I didn't really have the time with the holidays around.
I refilled the reservoir and set the ppm at 300ppm (My RO Water is less than 10ppm) and now it initially dropped to 280ppm and it's staying steady there now. I'll try bumping them up over the course of this week to 350ppm. They seem to just slightly burn the tips @ 450ppm, but I'm sure that was completely depleted of N by the point I changed it. I haven't flushed that reservoir since the start if I recall correctly. The holidays are definitely the busy season around this place. That's behind me now so I'll be right on top of doing it at two week intervals. When they are so little and don't absorb so many nutes going more than 2 weeks hasn't really ever had an ill effect, from here out that'll be a different story. To maintain proper balance I'll keep right on top of it.
I'm actually going to be doing some work on this today and I'll be moving these plants to their final destination. They are going to move to the flowering tent early and go on a veg schedule under either a 600w HPS or 400w MH, haven't decided yet.
I'm going to use my 4" ventilated hood for the single 600w HPS that's in the floewring tent and I'll buy a new Can -33 filter for it. I'm going to move all my 6" stuff to the current veg closet and I'll use it and my Can-66 filter to cool and scrub the 2x 600wHPS I'm going to put in there shortly for my Soil vs. Hydro side by side grow.
I already have all of the stuff for the hydro side, so this week I'll run to the hydro store to pickup 2x 600w lights and hoods and I'll pickup FFOF, Happy Frog, FF Tiger Bloom, GrowBig and Bloom Big.
I haven't decided on whether I should get clones of this FI to use or just run to the dispensary and pickup some dank clones....decisions....decisions.
I'm generally quite the procrasinator (aren't all us potheads that way?) so I'm happy to be getting an early start. I have like 150l of hydroton to clean and bunch to dispose, trays to clean, reservoir to drain and clean and I need to pick up some equipment.
I'm hoping to have a great winter and bang out plenty from my setup so that hopefully come summer I can cut either completely off and chill for a few months or I can proceed with some more side by side action....I'm thinking LED vs. HPS 600w comparison for summer, but it's a long ways off so I'll stay focused on what's in front of me.
laserbrn
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Today was a busy day. Completely cleaned down the flowering tent today with a 1:30 bleach solution. Cleaned out the reservoir and the trays (that had previously been FILLED with hydroton) and it was a disaster. Hydroton can really be some nasty stuff, I might start seeking alternatives for the future. I moved the plants into the flowering tent after all the scrubbing and cleaning and got everything setup and in place.
I took the glass out of the light and cleaned it today....filthy as hell, always gotta remeber to do that pretty often.
I will clean out the old veg area tomorrow and get it all prepped up for the next project.
The plants are still looking good and growing strong. Shouldn't be long before I start taking clones to find sexes on these plants. Oh and they are now under the 600w HPS light.
I took the glass out of the light and cleaned it today....filthy as hell, always gotta remeber to do that pretty often.
I will clean out the old veg area tomorrow and get it all prepped up for the next project.
The plants are still looking good and growing strong. Shouldn't be long before I start taking clones to find sexes on these plants. Oh and they are now under the 600w HPS light.
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LOSTCOASTLOCAL
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Nice thread, it's well done! I have Fucking Incredible finishing right now (last two weeks) and it's better looking then any pic I have evr seen of it... I am going to rename it Jaw Fucking Dropper... Grown in a vertical aero system... The light from top and bottom mixed with cold night temps really sets this strain in motion
madcatter
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A couple of pages ago some one suggested keeping good notes... that is invaluable... the stuff I have learned from mixing nutes to plant spacing to ventilation to watering to planting to mixing my soil mix... the list goes on and on... this grow is muchbetter than my previous one... I think I made every nooby mistake you could... and this time I am much more dialed in... But the results will be in the quality of the smoke of the final harvest and the quantity. I am willing to sacrifice a few gramsper plant to get the taste I want. Finished strong with molasses last time... this time I am going to try a few girls wilh a sweetener... I came, I saw, I grew some great ganja...
laserbrn
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Taking notes is always a good idea.
For some reason every day my plants droop really bad. It's odd and I haven't been able to really put together what causes it, but every day they perk up and droop down. It seems like they droop near the end of the light cycle. I have modified my water schedule to water less and less, but the drooping doesn't seem to go away.
I've never personally experienced this myself although I've seen it other people's journals and never seen an answer as to why some plants do this. I removed a watering cycle this morning to make sure it's not overwatering and it didn't seem to have any effect. It's been 6 hours since they were watered and they are still drooping. They will go lights out in about 4 hours and they will still be droopy at that point. When the lights come back on they will perk back up and stay perked up for about 8 hours and then start to droop again.
It's pretty odd, but the leaves just go limp and sort of Lay Down" the way that they do during lights off. It's pretty odd and I'm now back down to watering 2x a day for 15 minutes which seems way too little, but I was watering as much as 15 minutes every hour and I haven't seen a difference in this behavior while slowly changing the schedule from one extreme to the other so I have to conclude it is not related to watering.
For some reason every day my plants droop really bad. It's odd and I haven't been able to really put together what causes it, but every day they perk up and droop down. It seems like they droop near the end of the light cycle. I have modified my water schedule to water less and less, but the drooping doesn't seem to go away.
I've never personally experienced this myself although I've seen it other people's journals and never seen an answer as to why some plants do this. I removed a watering cycle this morning to make sure it's not overwatering and it didn't seem to have any effect. It's been 6 hours since they were watered and they are still drooping. They will go lights out in about 4 hours and they will still be droopy at that point. When the lights come back on they will perk back up and stay perked up for about 8 hours and then start to droop again.
It's pretty odd, but the leaves just go limp and sort of Lay Down" the way that they do during lights off. It's pretty odd and I'm now back down to watering 2x a day for 15 minutes which seems way too little, but I was watering as much as 15 minutes every hour and I haven't seen a difference in this behavior while slowly changing the schedule from one extreme to the other so I have to conclude it is not related to watering.
HookedOnChronic
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hey laser loving all the info, curious when ur doin the soil vs hydro side by side