RIU, You chose it, I'm growing it. Fucking Incredible!

speedyseedz said:

how often do they droop like that?

Click to expand...

Daily....I'll take pics when the lights come back on and you'll see the difference. It's a daily droopage and it does seem to be around the light schedule. I know it's normal behavior, just seems so dramatic, but I'm gonna let it go, all else seems well.

smokingrubber said:

Do you have a camera that can take a close picture of the preflower for us? I have not thought to look for preflowers on mine. They are all fem seeds, and one dude would really screw up my whole scenario. This late in the process, thats scary!

Click to expand...

I can take a close up when they perk up and the lights come on so you can see. I've NEVER gotten a male from a feminized seed, a hermie yes, but full on male not so much.

???????????

terrorizer805 said:

???????????

Click to expand...

As promised. The first pictures are of the plants a couple hours after the lights came on, the others are close ups of the plants causing me the concern.

I believe there's 3 of 8 that look like this and the others have female preflowers or nothing showing.

those three close ups look male to me for sure bro one look like its bout to open

mikegreenthumb said:

those three close ups look male to me for sure bro one look like its bout to open

Click to expand...

These plants are on 18/6 light schedule so I doubt they will open, but I'm going to go ahead and pull them from the room, I don't think they can possibly be females at this point...Pretty obvious call to me, just surprising...this strain is seeming to be pretty fucking incredible....crazy shit everywhere.

Yeah ballz for sure! There is nothing around to pollinate so I doubt it could do any serious damage if you waited another week before making the final decision. How many do think are likely dudes?

smokingrubber said:

Yeah ballz for sure! There is nothing around to pollinate so I doubt it could do any serious damage if you waited another week before making the final decision. How many do think are likely dudes?

Click to expand...

I killed the most obvious one. It didn't have a prayer of being a female, and it was just a straight up dude. I only have 1 other that is looking like a male already, the others like I said either look female or no sex showing yet. These plants have a onen week gap in their developement which is showing it's ugly head again. I'm about 85% sure I'm going to flip to 12/12 tonight and just go with the flow. I'm taking some clones right now and I'll decide while I do that. I hate overgrowing a grow space, but I've underfilled the last couple of grows and I don't know how many females are really going to be in this bunch. If it's 8 of the remaining plants then I'll be MORE than good, if it's 4 I'll be way under...tough spot. I guess it's not that big of a sweat, I'll have clones and I'll grab the strongest mother for the next grow if I only get a couple of females I guess. Gambling with something so valueable and important is kind of a crazy game. I've always used fem. seeds and clones so it's a new feeling.

laserbrn said:

I killed the most obvious one. It didn't have a prayer of being a female, and it was just a straight up dude. I only have 1 other that is looking like a male already, the others like I said either look female or no sex showing yet. These plants have a onen week gap in their developement which is showing it's ugly head again. I'm about 85% sure I'm going to flip to 12/12 tonight and just go with the flow. I'm taking some clones right now and I'll decide while I do that. I hate overgrowing a grow space, but I've underfilled the last couple of grows and I don't know how many females are really going to be in this bunch. If it's 8 of the remaining plants then I'll be MORE than good, if it's 4 I'll be way under...tough spot. I guess it's not that big of a sweat, I'll have clones and I'll grab the strongest mother for the next grow if I only get a couple of females I guess. Gambling with something so valueable and important is kind of a crazy game. I've always used fem. seeds and clones so it's a new feeling.

Click to expand...

Okay, I identified each of the 9 remaining plants and took 2 clones from each. Each clone was marked with it's donor and I will continue to veg my plants. I am going to flush the reservoir again tomorrow and refill with veg nutes and setup for at least another week of veg, some of the plants aren't quite large enough for my liking. Hopefully these clones will root quickly (7-10 days) and I can have an answer as to sex's withing a couple of weeks. I'll take more and more cuttings from these and I'll probably use them for my side by side hydro vs. soil grow. I just can't see buying clones when I'm in situation where I need to keep these plants as short as possible.

I topped plant #5 and I may go ahead and top the rest of them tomorrow and take the clones. This plant judging by it's pheno will not grow big ass donkey dick buds, so I think topping will help to keep them bushy and to try to get maximum yield.

laserbrn said:

I killed the most obvious one. It didn't have a prayer of being a female, and it was just a straight up dude. I only have 1 other that is looking like a male already, the others like I said either look female or no sex showing yet. These plants have a onen week gap in their developement which is showing it's ugly head again. I'm about 85% sure I'm going to flip to 12/12 tonight and just go with the flow. I'm taking some clones right now and I'll decide while I do that. I hate overgrowing a grow space, but I've underfilled the last couple of grows and I don't know how many females are really going to be in this bunch. If it's 8 of the remaining plants then I'll be MORE than good, if it's 4 I'll be way under...tough spot. I guess it's not that big of a sweat, I'll have clones and I'll grab the strongest mother for the next grow if I only get a couple of females I guess. Gambling with something so valueable and important is kind of a crazy game. I've always used fem. seeds and clones so it's a new feeling.

Click to expand...

laserbrn said:

Okay, I identified each of the 9 remaining plants and took 2 clones from each. Each clone was marked with it's donor and I will continue to veg my plants. I am going to flush the reservoir again tomorrow and refill with veg nutes and setup for at least another week of veg, some of the plants aren't quite large enough for my liking. Hopefully these clones will root quickly (7-10 days) and I can have an answer as to sex's withing a couple of weeks. I'll take more and more cuttings from these and I'll probably use them for my side by side hydro vs. soil grow. I just can't see buying clones when I'm in situation where I need to keep these plants as short as possible.

I topped plant #5 and I may go ahead and top the rest of them tomorrow and take the clones. This plant judging by it's pheno will not grow big ass donkey dick buds, so I think topping will help to keep them bushy and to try to get maximum yield.

Click to expand...

Thanks for the updates laser...everything sounds like its going well.

Looking forward to your hydro vs. soil side by side deal too.

It seems like you're so torn with what to do regarding sexing and cloning and overgrowing and 12/12...I know the feeling! Like you said, it's a tough thing to gamble with...I'm sure you'll make the right the call though. Keep on keeping on!

It will take about 2 weeks to see roots on those clones (safe bet). Rockwool doesnt go as fast as a clone machine imo. Then 7-10 days to see sex? That's about 20-25 days or so from now before you know sex. Are the plants mature enough to sex? Do they ALL have alternating nodes?

I have a feeling they may be too boo-coo by that time.

smokingrubber said:

It will take about 2 weeks to see roots on those clones (safe bet). Rockwool doesnt go as fast as a clone machine imo. Then 7-10 days to see sex? That's about 20-25 days or so from now before you know sex. Are the plants mature enough to sex? Do they ALL have alternating nodes?

I have a feeling they may be too boo-coo by that time.

Click to expand...

I have a feeling it's going to be the case also. So it's really going to depend on how fast these in veg grow and how fast the clones root.

Clones take an average about 14 days to root for me, sometimes as little as 7, sometimes as long as 21 or even longer, but usually somewhere between 10-18 days.

If these plants are enormous by then I will flower these plants and I will keep the clones from all of the females. If the plants are still manageable I will flower the clones to determine the sex's of the plants and that should happen within another 4-7 days.

With the cuttings I have given myself the option to reevaluate next week basically and see where I stand. I also give myself the opportunity to confirm the success of the clones before flowering the current plants and eliminate the chance of losing this strain.

Alright, I've topped all of the plants as well. I've had a theory for awhile now that if you top a plant, but remove one of the growing tips it will promote the growth of "donkey dick" buds as the root structure is strong and the plant is more mature so a shorter plant can produce a top cola like you see from tree grows. The extra stem size and root structure should provide the top with a lot more energy.

Normally with topping the idea is to get more main cola's, but my purpose is solely to keep a strong, mature plant short. But I don't want to have lots and lots of little buds, I still want a BIG cola so I am trying this on 4 of my plants and the other 4 have been topped in the traditional style with 2 new tops.

There are currently 8 plants left (killed another male off this morning) so here are the pics (they are a little droopy because as we've been over, they do this before the end of their light cycle).

Should be interesting and it gave me 8 more clones to deal with, so 3 of each now.

laserbrn said:

Alright, I've topped all of the plants as well. I've had a theory for awhile now that if you top a plant, but remove one of the growing tips it will promote the growth of "donkey dick" buds as the root structure is strong and the plant is more mature so a shorter plant can produce a top cola like you see from tree grows. The extra stem size and root structure should provide the top with a lot more energy.

Click to expand...

Very interesting journal laserbn...kept me from doing my work - oops.

Also intrigued with your theory about topping and then removing one of the tips. I may just try that on one of my girls.

Keep up the excellent work. Happy growing and medicating.

Peace, DST

DST said:

Very interesting journal laserbn...kept me from doing my work - oops.

Also intrigued with your theory about topping and then removing one of the tips. I may just try that on one of my girls.

Keep up the excellent work. Happy growing and medicating.

Peace, DST

Click to expand...

It's just a theory and I just don't like regular topping because it sorta "spreads the love" around the plant and I still want a dominant top. It's just a theory right now and this would be the early stages of "playing around" with it a bit.

I won't go touting that it's the best thing ever or that it works, just sharing with others the fact that I'm trying something. I don't swear by or endorse this method, it could VERY well be a complete waste of time. I NEEDED to shorten up my plants this time and didn't want multiple tops on all of them so it gave me an opportunity to try it.

"We wish to pursue the truth no matter where it leads. But to find the truth, we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact." - Carl Sagan

laserbrn said:

"We wish to pursue the truth no matter where it leads. But to find the truth, we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact." - Carl Sagan

Click to expand...

I just received a small coffee-table book entitled "100 things you're not supposed to know" and one of them is that Carl Sagan was an avid marijuana-smoker! Awesome...

looks good..how are the roots check the roots from the male and see if thy're bound...you might need to transplant...again excellent grow, real tidey!!!

glassblower3000 said:

looks good..how are the roots check the roots from the male and see if thy're bound...you might need to transplant...again excellent grow, real tidey!!!

Click to expand...

Good call!!!!!!!!! I have a male sitting in my sink. I'm off to lunch right now when I get back I'll yank it up and see how the roots are looking. Great fortune I didn't just kill it like I did the first one....+rep sir

lookin good my dude! i think ill try that topping trick too to see if it works

I fogged the tent today with a pyrethron fogger to ward off the bugs and bad guys. I generally do this during the last week or two of veg and repeat it again at the end of the first week of flower (before the flowers start to show) to avoid problems down the road. Once it gets late into flower it's too hard to control and this preventative measure has always saved me from having to spray my buds or even worry about...no problems with bugs since I started doing this.

laserbrn said:

Thanks on the tent. $12.00 is a pretty sweet deal.

The Kirby vacuum cleaner guy thing is still under my skin man. I'm going to go smoke a bowl and shoot some pool and try to relax, stupidity really makes me question everything.

Anyway, I got some new photo's, still in veg, not to exciting, but they are coming along. The drooping has me concerned still and you can see the one on the far right here is a little droopy a few hours of lights on. I'll try to get a picture of them while droopy, I'm wondering if it's because my reservoir is 59 degrees which is a bit on the cold side. I've always used rockwool which would is a little more forgiving than bare roots in the hydroton. I'm also not adding oxygen to this reservoir so I'm going to get a heating element and good size air pump/air stone combo tomorrow and throw that in there, see if it improves the situation. Neither of these should really be causing this little droopy cycle, but they stand to be addresses and corrected regardless.

Click to expand...

What??? Kirby vacuum guy came in?? Why can't I find where you wrote about this on the thread? I'm subscribed and can't seem to find it. I'm just curious is all. Don't want my chick to make the same mistake, if it was a mistake or what ever...