Romney got tottally

canndo

canndo

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nontheist said:
So far almost all media (except msnbc surprise surprise) are showing people thought Romney dominated on the economy and taxes. What's this election about?
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How is beyond me, but that focus group of undecideds at MSNBC gives us a clue - it was a process of presumptions "well, he IS a sucessful businessman so he must know what he is doing"

Sort of like presuming that a guy in a suit down at the courthouse must be a lawyer and because he must be a lawyer he knows where you have to go to get your parking validated.
 
nontheist

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Maybe because they don't have time to make politics a second job. It's pretty common knowledge that both candidates lie so you have to do your own fact checking which is time consuming. Fact checking on the media is a joke, everyone knows that if you only fact check 4 statements in a hour and a half debate you're cherry picking.

The undecided are a direct result of media bias, expect them to grow every year.
 
nontheist

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canndo said:
How is beyond me, but that focus group of undecideds at MSNBC gives us a clue - it was a process of presumptions "well, he IS a sucessful businessman so he must know what he is doing"

Sort of like presuming that a guy in a suit down at the courthouse must be a lawyer and because he must be a lawyer he knows where to yet your parking validated.
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Or it is what it is and Obama's record speaks for itself....

What turned women and independents off on Obama's first debate? It wasn't his performance it was his denial of a failed recovery. When he brags about what he has accomplished people start leaving him in droves. He didn't counter a single claim from Romney that we have more people on foodstamps, that graduates have 50% unemployment, that china is bending us over, that we have the highest corporate tax of any nation he can't people know he has failed on this.
 
canndo

canndo

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nontheist said:
Maybe because they don't have time to make politics a second job. It's pretty common knowledge that both candidates lie so you have to do your own fact checking which is time consuming. Fact checking on the media is a joke, everyone knows that if you only fact check 4 statements in a hour and a half debate you're cherry picking.

The undecided are a direct result of media bias, expect them to grow every year.
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If folks are as upset as they say they are about the state of the country, the state of their personal economic situation and the direction we are headed. And they believe that government is directly responsible for their plight either by inaction or by interference, then they can do a little research. Fact checking isn't that hard, we have this internet thing and decent search engines.

One would think that this media bias you speak of would be powerful enough (as so many on the right claim) to influence those undecided voters - without their even knowing - right?
In fact I am surprised everyone isn't marching to the polls to cast their vote for Obama without a single question at all, that media bias being what it is and all.
 
canndo

canndo

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nontheist said:
Or it is what it is and Obama's record speaks for itself....

What turned women and independents off on Obama's first debate? It wasn't his performance it was his denial of a failed recovery. When he brags about what he has accomplished people start leaving him in droves. He didn't counter a single claim from Romney that we have more people on foodstamps, that graduates have 50% unemployment, that china is bending us over, that we have the highest corporate tax of any nation he can't people know he has failed on this.
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These are all true statements, so how could he counter them? contrary to Romney, he doesn't blatantly reverse himself when the political situation calls for it.

(don't take that to mean that I don't think Obama will lie)

The thing is that Romney went through this litteny and then gave us nothing as a plan for how he would do better. Not a real plan anyway, just more "I know how to do it (but I'm not going to share it with any of you until I am made president).
 
FreedomWorks

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canndo said:
If folks are as upset as they say they are about the state of the country, the state of their personal economic situation and the direction we are headed. And they believe that government is directly responsible for their plight either by inaction or by interference, then they can do a little research. Fact checking isn't that hard, we have this internet thing and decent search engines.

One would think that this media bias you speak of would be powerful enough (as so many on the right claim) to influence those undecided voters - without their even knowing - right?
In fact I am surprised everyone isn't marching to the polls to cast their vote for Obama without a single question at all, that media bias being what it is and all.
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I would hope Obama uses this in a debate. Telling people to do research to determine if their life is getting better. That would be LOL funny. People don't need to hear how their life is getting better, especially when the middle class has lost and is still losing a considerable amount of their wealth in the past four years. George Bush is the last thing people want to hear about. Bush doesn't pay the bills unless you're a pimp.
 
MuyLocoNC

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canndo said:
While I appreciate your level headed and reasonable review of the debate, I am curious about your take on Romney's 47 percent remark. there was no twisting of words. Had Romney stopped after he explained that 47 percent were unlikely to be moved to vote for him, you would be correct, but Romney went on. Could it be that you didn't hear that part? or are you purposefully ignoring it?


I noticed as well that you didn't mention anything about the "act of terror" fail on Romney's part. He swung and missed there.
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Oh, I heard the entire clip and I definitely didn't hear anything that resembles the conclusions that were "deciphered" from it.

Obama came right out and told Conservatives to sit down, shut up and get out of the way and lest we forget the cling to their guns and religion comment, I'd love to have a few recordings of what he says privately about those that vote against him. I think most people know that Romney's dismissive comment pales in comparison to the actual dismissive actions that this administration has taken. Unless, talking about dismissing half the country is somehow actually worse than doing it on numerous occasions.

Romney was probably too respectful on the "terror" topic. He definitely blew an opportunity to hamstring the President on a talking point that Obama SHOULD be nailed on. The next debate is on foreign policy and I don't think Obama will fare well in that debate at all. But, it will be fun to watch.
 
canndo

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FreedomWorks said:
I would hope Obama uses this in a debate. Telling people to do research to determine if their life is getting better. That would be LOL funny. People don't need to hear how their life is getting better, especially when the middle class has lost and is still losing a considerable amount of their wealth in the past four years. George Bush is the last thing people want to hear about. Bush doesn't pay the bills unless you're a pimp.
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You guys have a very real problem. On the one hand you want us all to rebel against a government that is not "making our lives better", and on the other you think that government should stay out of our lives altogether. So which is it? Should be get rid of Obama because our lives aren't getting any better and elect the guy who promises to make our lives better if he becomes president? or should we keep the guy who really wants government to help us in our lives and let the guy who claims that government really can't do much for us at all?
 
ginwilly

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canndo said:
You guys have a very real problem. On the one hand you want us all to rebel against a government that is not "making our lives better", and on the other you think that government should stay out of our lives altogether. So which is it? Should be get rid of Obama because our lives aren't getting any better and elect the guy who promises to make our lives better if he becomes president? or should we keep the guy who really wants government to help us in our lives and let the guy who claims that government really can't do much for us at all?
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For many many maaaaaaaaaaaaany people the government staying out of their lives is the exact recipe to making their lives better. Not only do we want it both ways, it's the only way it works. We can't have one without the other.
 
RyanTheRhino

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I think Archie would say differently


[video=youtube;7fqCS7Y_kME]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7fqCS7Y_kME[/video]
 
canndo

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FreedomWorks said:
I would hope Obama uses this in a debate. Telling people to do research to determine if their life is getting better. That would be LOL funny. People don't need to hear how their life is getting better, especially when the middle class has lost and is still losing a considerable amount of their wealth in the past four years. George Bush is the last thing people want to hear about. Bush doesn't pay the bills unless you're a pimp.
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People obviously have short memories and they tend not to remember bad things with the same vividness as they do good things. My portfolio was worth a quarter what it is today - that alone means I am better off today than I was at the bottom of a tanking market threatening to collapse completely.

Or don't you remember that? Don't you remember taking 20k or so out of the bank.... just in case things continued to sink and you inteneded to pay your bills and eat along the way. I do.
 
canndo

canndo

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47 percent comment
MuyLocoNC said:
Oh, I heard the entire clip and I definitely didn't hear anything that resembles the conclusions that were "deciphered" from it.

Obama came right out and told Conservatives to sit down, shut up and get out of the way and lest we forget the cling to their guns and religion comment, I'd love to have a few recordings of what he says privately about those that vote against him. I think most people know that Romney's dismissive comment pales in comparison to the actual dismissive actions that this administration has taken. Unless, talking about dismissing half the country is somehow actually worse than doing it on numerous occasions.

Romney was probably too respectful on the "terror" topic. He definitely blew an opportunity to hamstring the President on a talking point that Obama SHOULD be nailed on. The next debate is on foreign policy and I don't think Obama will fare well in that debate at all. But, it will be fun to watch.
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Of course you don't hear what you don't want to hear and then bring up other quotes that you think are just as bad as the one you don't think is bad at all.


"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. "


You don't see anything demeaning and insulting there at all right?


 
FreedomWorks

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canndo said:
People obviously have short memories and they tend not to remember bad things with the same vividness as they do good things. My portfolio was worth a quarter what it is today - that alone means I am better off today than I was at the bottom of a tanking market threatening to collapse completely.

Or don't you remember that? Don't you remember taking 20k or so out of the bank.... just in case things continued to sink and you inteneded to pay your bills and eat along the way. I do.
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So thats great you're doing well. Does that mean everybody else is too? If Obama's policies have gotten your hands on some taxpayer money along the way then everything is going to be all right. Sure buddy. Keep talking like Obama, and then tell the country they are doing just fine when they know its not true. Like Obama is so perfect that if this is what we have gotten so far, then this is as good as it can get.
 
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