Ron Paul Has A Legit Shot.

j.GrEeN.< said:

What gets me is the way you're being manipulative, you attempt to
to indirectly link RP's newsletters in your first post,

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Well that's not without reason, and I don't think it's manipulative at all. The article in question was written in Ron Paul's newsletter from the 1st person perspective of a congressman who voted against making MLK's birthday a holiday. It's very reasonable to assume he is the author of said article. What is wrong with that?

then you keep blaming all Ron Paul supporters, and Ron Paul by indirect
association, all the while calling us cultist.

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If Ron Paul supporters did not act like cultists, I would not have to do that. But when his supporters are willing to lie and smear in order to continue the denial of something true because they can not accept the idea that Ron Paul is a fallible human being, that screams cult behavior to me.

When in truth it was Deprave who made the mistake. One person singular, not all Ron Paul supporters or Ron Paul. You said yourself you had to look into it closely or it seemed as though he voted in favor.

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But that's not true. tryingtogrow89 has immediately picked up where Deprave left on and now is repeating the lie that Ron Paul voted for MLK's birthday even after that has been proven false. So no, not one person.

Did Ron Paul actually state himself, that he did in fact do this??. . . .Otherwise you're beating a dead horse IMO.(1979-1983)

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The idea that the only possible source of evidence and factual information is Ron Paul's mouth demonstrates cult like devotion. Seems like to Ron Paul supporters Ron Paul's words are the undisputed word of truth. If he says something, it becomes your reality. Paul supporters seem to not be interested in any facts that do not support or glorify Ron Paul. When those facts are brought up, the messenger gets attacked. You guys are putting a lot of blind faith in Ron Paul.

I find this all very disturbing.

deprave said:

Newletter Scandal Points To Gingrich

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There you go. That's a pretty good response to anyone bringing up Ron Paul's newsletters. It's all true and makes your point very well. Newt has far more scandals than Ron Paul, and Newt's scandals have had real world consequences, Paul's newsletter is just talk. You could make the same case for Romney with his willingness to say whatever he thinks sounds good at the time, his gains in wealth from firing Americans and outsourcing their jobs, and attitude that corporations are people. Well done.

Really the point that voting for a holiday doesn't make you racist, rather a "holiday-ist" lol...I think that's the biggest point to make..It like saying that because I prefer chocolate ice cream that I am a racist, its not even relevant. Ron Paul has only had good things to say about MLK and the Civil rights movement aside from one speech if you cherry pick a few quotes and make it into something its not. MLK could be considered a socialist or leftist but none the less, he has a lot in common with Ron Paul in that he is an outsider who is fighting against the man and for civil liberties, they were both demonized and called crazy. I see striking similarities between the two, MLK talked about the bankers and the FED on occasions also.

I feel that Ron Paul has a lot in common with the left as a lefty myself. The idea of someone who supports the constitution, human rights, and civil liberties in fact came from classical liberalism which in turn birthed Libertarianism, don't get me wrong, I get the argument some left libertarians have for a Ron Paul or Anarcho-Capitilism but I really don't think its very practical as in Ron Paul is not going to change our society that dramatically in only a few years. Even then this is kind of an inner battle for me vs the anarcho-capitlism or center-libertarian philosophies so this is why on some issues I am a Left "Leaning" libertarian as opposed to a full blown left libertarian.

Ron Paul's argument against Libertian Socialism I think is a rather good one. In short, Dr Paul says that in his idealized society that Socialist can have their own communities without being restricted by others. I think he makes a pretty good point.

[h=1]Ron Paul- Socialism in a Libertarian society vs Libertarianism in a Socialist society[/h]
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So......Ron Paul is human, after all.

Soooooo he might be a closet racist. I'm pretty sure we've had racist presidents before? lol

deprave said:

You will be eating your words lol

Paul is beating Romney in quite a few states..a lot of perry/bachman/santorum people are going to go to paul now

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ron paul is not competitive anywhere besides iowa and new hampshire, where he has poured tons of money.

show me which other states he is "leading in".

what is funny to me is that i already know the answer to this question but am still allowing you to dig the hole for me.

Dan Kone said:

wow. Quite an impressive meltdown you're having. Well done.

And I'm not stoned or on the phone. I'm making kief at the moment.

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typical deprave meltdown here.

it annoys me ever so much, but then again, i do like having him around.

it will be even more fun when we tell him "i told you so" when ron paul goes down in flames as the latest (and shortest lived) GOP flavor of the month.

ron paul's rise is not due to anything he is doing, it is completely due to GOP desperation.

oh, and merry fucking christmas to all of you rat bastards.

Dan Kone said:

The worst thing about this is all the lying and denials. If he would have come out and been honest about this, this wouldn't have been a big deal and it would have already gone away. It's a problem because his story is obviously a lie and everyone knows it. John McCain voted against MLK's birthday as a national holiday. No one gives him a hard time about it. That's because when asked he basically said "yeah, I was young and dumb. I made a mistake. My bad.".

The American people are surprisingly forgiving when it comes to people who admit their mistakes. However when you deny and cover them up, they tend to jump on you like a rabid dog. That's what's going on here.

In baseball many players have come out and said "yeah, I took steroids, I apologize". And people have forgotten about it. But no one is going to forgive the guys who lied in front of congress for taking them any time soon. That's what this is. Ron Paul gave a denial which no one outside his cultists believe. He sticks with that denial, so people keep pressing him hoping to get the truth. That isn't some media conspiracy against Ron Paul. It's basic human nature.

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you are correct sir.

ron paul has handled this debacle (over the course of decades) with all the grace of an octopus falling out of a tree.

deprave said:

Newletter Scandal Points To Gingrich...

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no scandal would have existed had ron paul simply not let incendiary racism be published in his name.

quit trying to blame this on a vast media conspiracy and own up to it. your refusal to do so is exactly why this "scandal" has any traction.

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you don't get it.

let me give you the "inside baseball" yet again.

who does mitt romney not want to win in iowa?

answer: newt gingrich.

is ron paul newt gingrich?

answer: no, ron paul is not newt gingrich.

who has the lead in primary and caucus polls in every other state but IA and NH?

answer: newt gingrich does

who polls pathetically in every primary and caucus besides IA and NH?

answer: among others, ron paul.

ron paul can not last. newt can. romney knows this. anyone but a gingrich win in iowa is a blessing to mitt. that includes ron paul.

you're welcome once again.

this is not a vast media conspiracy. this is politics. get with the program.

tryingtogrow89 said:

Ron Paul time and time again is the only one who can beat obama in a head to head match up national polls, Ron Paul is the only electable person running.

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completely false.

go check realclearpolitics.com, and tell me who stands a better chance according to scientific polling.

do you ever not tell lies?

Dan Kone said:

The idea that the only possible source of evidence and factual information is Ron Paul's mouth demonstrates cult like devotion. Seems like to Ron Paul supporters Ron Paul's words are the undisputed word of truth. If he says something, it becomes your reality. Paul supporters seem to not be interested in any facts that do not support or glorify Ron Paul. When those facts are brought up, the messenger gets attacked. You guys are putting a lot of blind faith in Ron Paul.

I find this all very disturbing.

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kinda like the germans with hitler

just having fun here, guys. i know ron paul is no hitler. just wanted to toss back the same bag of feces that you so often throw to us for not supporting your messiah.

deprave said:

Really the point that voting for a holiday doesn't make you racist, rather a "holiday-ist" lol...I think that's the biggest point to make..It like saying that because I prefer chocolate ice cream that I am a racist, its not even relevant. Ron Paul has only had good things to say about MLK and the Civil rights movement aside from one speech if you cherry pick a few quotes and make it into something its not

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No no. This shows that Ron Paul is lying when he gets on TV and discusses the newsletters and MLK. He obviously wrote that one article about MLK in his newsletters. Then he gets on TV pretending MLK is his hero? Gimme a break. And if he's lying about that, what else is he lying about?

That's the problem with issuing denials that are obviously full of fiction. It peaks people's curiosity into what else they are lying about. It turns something which really isn't that big of a deal into a big thing. And no, it's not the media turning it into a big thing, it's Ron Paul's poor handling of the situation.

The 1980's were a long time ago. People wouldn't have held it against him for having crazy opinions and allowing racism to be published in his name 30 years ago. But like usual, the cover up is what is sinking him, not the act itself.

Notice how Clinton got impeached for his affair, and Herman Cain had to drop out of the race for his affair yet Newt is still a viable candidate? That's because Newt didn't get in front of national TV and make denials. What Newt did was much worse than either Clinton or Cain. But he's still in politics because he never attempted a coverup.

If there is one thing the American people hate, it's a cover up. And Ron Paul is trying to cover up the truth about those newsletters and everyone knows it. So yes, it's true the newsletters aren't that big of a deal by themselves, Ron Paul is making them a big deal by issuing denials no one believes.

Really, I am the one having a "meltdown" yet you guys have resorted to the Race Card and talking about stupid shit that doesn't matter lol...and UncleBuck just runs with it not even reading the thread and realizing the fact that I admitted I was wrong immediately and then changed to a different topic..then Dan is so excited he is right about one thing he goes on for like 3 pages as if him being right about one simple thing refutes an entire argument...I am still watiing to hear a plausible explanation for Ron Paul being a racist, I have yet to hear one. You have proven Ron Paul is a holiday-ist in that he doesn't vote for Federal Government Holidays, you have yet to prove that he is a racist.

Dan Kone said:

No no. This shows that Ron Paul is lying when he gets on TV and discusses the newsletters and MLK. He obviously wrote that one article about MLK in his newsletters. Then he gets on TV pretending MLK is his hero? Gimme a break. And if he's lying about that, what else is he lying about?

That's the problem with issuing denials that are obviously full of fiction. It peaks people's curiosity into what else they are lying about. It turns something which really isn't that big of a deal into a big thing. And no, it's not the media turning it into a big thing, it's Ron Paul's poor handling of the situation.

The 1980's were a long time ago. People wouldn't have held it against him for having crazy opinions and allowing racism to be published in his name 30 years ago. But like usual, the cover up is what is sinking him, not the act itself.

Notice how Clinton got impeached for his affair, and Herman Cain had to drop out of the race for his affair yet Newt is still a viable candidate? That's because Newt didn't get in front of national TV and make denials. What Newt did was much worse than either Clinton or Cain. But he's still in politics because he never attempted a coverup.

If there is one thing the American people hate, it's a cover up. And Ron Paul is trying to cover up the truth about those newsletters and everyone knows it. So yes, it's true the newsletters aren't that big of a deal by themselves, Ron Paul is making them a big deal by issuing denials no one believes.

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How does it show that? Ron Paul never said he voted for MLK day or lied about any of the above, I think your probably right in that perhaps he hasn't explained it well enough himself but to call him a liar is a bit overboard and simply not true, he did not write the newsletters it is obvious, and he has written many times that MLK is one of his heroes, he hasn't lied about any of this.

I really just see the entire thing as childish and silly as I am sure Dr Paul feels the same way, it is sensationalism really. Ron Paul doesn't even write like that at all, he doesn't use that type of sentence structure even, not to mention its contrary to his philosophy entirely. It just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

UncleBuck said:

you don't get it.

let me give you the "inside baseball" yet again.


you're welcome once again.

this is not a vast media conspiracy. this is politics. get with the program.

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You'll wake up, but probably not until after the 100th monkey.
I guess CNN was just protecting you from the rest of the interview?
Why didn't they upload the other Q&A's?
"inside baseball", really?
Once you believe you know everything, you've ceased your ability to learn!
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NoDrama said:

This isn't news. There are already 10 posts saying RP will win. BTW which of his positions do you consider insane?

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Why freedom and liberty of course. You can't run peoples lives when they have those two things.
He will win Iowa and is rising in New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida.

Dan Kone said:

No no. This shows that Ron Paul is lying when he gets on TV and discusses the newsletters and MLK. He obviously wrote that one article about MLK in his newsletters. Then he gets on TV pretending MLK is his hero? Gimme a break. And if he's lying about that, what else is he lying about?

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You have no proof he wrote them or read them. But you've been wrong about too many things. You cannot use reason and logic. But other that that spot on

Dan Kone said:

That's the problem with issuing denials that are obviously full of fiction.

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Which denial is full of fiction

Dan Kone said:

It peaks people's curiosity into what else they are lying about. It turns something which really isn't that big of a deal into a big thing.

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This is true.

Dan Kone said:

And no, it's not the media turning it into a big thing,

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if it's not the media turning it into a big thing then why did CNN have multiple interviewers ask the same question?

Dan Kone said:

it's Ron Paul's poor handling of the situation.

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Since when is telling the truth and giving the same answer over and over again called poor handling.

Dan Kone said:

The 1980's were a long time ago. People wouldn't have held it against him for having crazy opinions and allowing racism to be published in his name 30 years ago. But like usual, the cover up is what is sinking him, not the act itself.

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You made that up. He has addressed this question many times. Because you are uninformed is your fault.

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Notice how Clinton got impeached for his affair, and Herman Cain had to drop out of the race for his affair yet Newt is still a viable candidate? That's because Newt didn't get in front of national TV and make denials. What Newt did was much worse than either Clinton or Cain. But he's still in politics because he never attempted a coverup.

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Newts been dropping fast in the polls. You really are uninformed

Dan Kone said:

If there is one thing the American people hate, it's a cover up.

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or people like you trying to make a story when there is none.

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And Ron Paul is trying to cover up the truth about those newsletters and everyone knows it.

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And Dan Kone is trying to cover up the truth by making accusations a grade school kid would know are absurd, and everyone knows it.

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So yes, it's true the newsletters aren't that big of a deal by themselves, Ron Paul is making them a big deal by issuing denials no one believes.

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The only ones who don't believe it are agenda driven fools like you who don't believe a lifetime of fighting for rights based on the individual doesn't trump a made up story from an unstable fired ex aide.
I bet you are 16 too, like your buddy that got booted. You sound like it anyway.

deprave said:

How does it show that? Ron Paul never said he voted for MLK day or lied about any of the above, I think your probably right in that perhaps he hasn't explained it well enough himself but to call him a liar is a bit overboard and simply not true, he did not write the newsletters it is obvious, and he has written many times that MLK is one of his heroes, he hasn't lied about any of this.

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Well the article written in his newsletter from the 1st person perspective of a congressman who voted against MLK's birthday was obviously written by him. I know you are probably in denial about that, but everyone in America except Ron Paul fanatics all can see that clearly. That makes his claims on TV about MLK being his hero seem like a big lie. It's just telling people what they want to hear. It's Romney speak. Ron Paul's greatest asset is that he appears honest. If he loses that he's going to lose a lot of votes with it.

I really just see the entire thing as childish and silly as I am sure Dr Paul feels the same way, it is sensationalism really. Ron Paul doesn't even write like that at all, he doesn't use that type of sentence structure even, not to mention its contrary to his philosophy entirely. It just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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It's beyond what is believable that someone else is writing articles impersonating Ron Paul in his own newsletter and he did not know about it. It's not sensationalism. Ron Paul is caught in a lie. I know you're willing to ignore reality and take Ron Paul's word for it even though the evidence doesn't support that, but the rest of America is not.

Obviously Ron Paul regrets that newsletter now that he's running for president. But he should just say that rather than lying about it. No one outside his cult is believing it.

Parker said:

Why freedom and liberty of course. You can't run peoples lives when they have those two things.
He will win Iowa and is rising in New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida.

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Yeah, that's right. People who don't support Ron Paul all hate freedom.

Since Ron Paul is omnipotent that means he's right on every issue. It's impossible to disagree with his policies. If you hate Ron Paul, it's because you hate freedom.

GTFO

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You have no proof he wrote them or read them. But you've been wrong about too many things. You cannot use reason and logic. But other that that spot on

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I know, i know. Nothing is proof unless Ron Paul says it is.

Which denial is full of fiction

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You can't publish a racist newsletter for 20 years and not know about it. That is simply not believable.

if it's not the media turning it into a big thing then why did CNN have multiple interviewers ask the same question?

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Because Ron Paul is giving answers that are not very believable. They are re-asking the questions in order to get a more credible answer. Why is it ok to keep asking Romney questions he's already answered about health care, but Ron Paul is off limits?

Since when is telling the truth and giving the same answer over and over again called poor handling.

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Clearly no one believed his answer the first time. You might think it's the truth, but most people don't.

You made that up. He has addressed this question many times. Because you are uninformed is your fault.

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Not believing 100% of what comes out of a politicians mouth does not = being uniformed. You are uninformed for believing every thing he says. 100% of elected politicians lie. They have to or they'd never get elected. If you think otherwise, you're uninformed.

Newts been dropping fast in the polls. You really are uninformed

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Yes he is. But that has nothing to do with his affairs. People have shown they are willing to support him despite that. He's dropping in the polls for other reasons. You missed my point entirely. I never once said that if you have an affair and admit it you're guaranteed to be elected president. I just said the American people are willing to forgive something like that as long as there is no cover up. Once there is a cover up, you're done in politics. Just ask John Edwards.

And Dan Kone is trying to cover up the truth by making accusations a grade school kid would know are absurd, and everyone knows it.

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Ya know, you guys are acting like fucking lunatics. I'm merely explaining why this is an issue, and here you go again. If someone doesn't glorify Ron Paul all the time, then you've got to smear them. Is he Ron Paul or Kim Jong Il? Should we start referring to him as glorious leader?

Good luck with your cult, nutjob.