Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial

FryingPanFlyer

Active Member
This year I have a framed silk screen that I got from a friend who does T-Shirt printing, it is (I am guessing) about 20 inches square.

I love my WICCA Kief Box best. (Google it)




I sit on the sofa, with my Wicca Kief Box, and a large metal mixing bowl, with ice in it, and my Trim in a plastic bag, laying on the ice. As I watch Football or a movie, I put a half cup of crushed crumbled FROZEN leaves in my box, and for 5 mintues, I rub it around in my box, on the screen and it falls through the screen, ont the mirrow below. After 5 minutes, I throw it in a separate baggie and I get some more that is still cold from being frozen and laying on the ice and I do another 1/2 cup full. And I just sift it and sift it and sift it.
Great, thanks for the info, one more thing for me to look into.
 

pottest

Member
Hi, I had heard a bit about this process of making hash. Is there a site I can go to & learn how? I was reading the remarks, etc., & sounds interesting. Thanks alot. The PotTest
 

Lt Shiny Sides

Well-Known Member
I will not be harvesting this Saturday as I had hoped.
Me and Roseman are in the same boat. We both switched to 12/12 on October 8 and were planning on harvesting today but it looks like we will both have to wait at least a few more days, possibly a week.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
hows your plants roseman ?
Zoophagous, socialsmoker,
FryingPanFlier,

Patience is the key to true happiness.

UPDATE

The have been on all water with no nutes, all week, because of the nute burn I got last weekend, so guess I am Flushing.

I have three containers, and each one is very different.

The Northern Light reservoir to the far left is the one that I used a lot of extra VEG food in addition to the BLOOM food. (extra Nitrogen) and it is the tank with the freaky buds. It is also the tank that has less light bulbs over it and more older bulbs over it, causing some buds to stretch. It is also the tank with the monstrous plant 55 inches tall, and with the largest bud too, much larger in diameter than a coke can, for sure, and about 13 to 15 inches tall. There is also the 20 inch to two foot long Fox Tail, that looks ridiculous. It is so far back in the closet I can not get a decent pic of it. It is not filling in as I hoped it would, but it is filling in some. All of the hairs, or pistals or stigmas are still white, and the calyxes are not swollen much at all. The trichs are all clear. That tank is NOT ready to harvest.
And the plants in that tank and all three tanks are so thick, I mean the foilage, the leaves are more thick than any I have ever seen in my entire life. Problem is no light can penetrate through and my smallest runt in the farthest corner just withered, fell over and died. It was only about 12 inches tall, and it never really flowered, it only showed sex.

The bucket in the center of the closet has two Skunk-Bud plants in it and one is nearly a four foot giant. It has a massive cola on top too. There is also a plant of average size, but it gets very little light. It is sort of lime green, from lack of light. The larger plant shadows it. I will not havest it when I get the larger one out. The pistals or hairs are yellowy white and not ready, except for the largest cola, the trichs on it are mixed. I could have harvested it today with mixed trichs and yellowy red pistals, but it has no swollen calyxes yet. The pistals are not wilting yet either. It is just not really ready.

The tank to the far right is so near ready, I could have harvested it today. There are no white pistals to be seen in the top 1/3, they are all yellowy or reddish yellow. Many pistals are wilted and none are still growing. The calyxes are very swollen and are starting to stack on top of each other, making small fingers of calyxes.

I have decided to harvest next Saturday for sure, and harvest in parts, and take the top 1/3 of the buds that are ready, and try to get some light on the lower 2/3s. At least I can document and know for sure if that is a good idea or not.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Me and Roseman are in the same boat. We both switched to 12/12 on October 8 and were planning on harvesting today but it looks like we will both have to wait at least a few more days, possibly a week.

I think 9 weeks is Wednesday or Thursday, and I just might take Wednesday or Thursday off from work and harvest then.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Nitrogen in Flowering

I flowered for a few weeks on high phosperous Bloom Nutes only, and everyday, I came home and picked up 3 or 5 leaves from each plant, that had yellowed and fell off. All of them came from the lower 1/3 of the plant. I had a large shoe box and a half full of dried dead leaves from 9 plants, although two plants were seriously small runts..

After a few weeks, I started adding a very fractional part of VEG nutes high in nitrogen to my Flowering Nutes. I started as an experiment on one of three reservoirs, and after 4 or 5 days, I add N to the other two tanks. Since the 2nd day of adding the very slightest amount of Nitrogen, NOT ONE leaf yellowed and died off.
I also saw extra growth on my buds too. The plants seemed healthier and happier and more green and lush, they had a bigger thirst or appetite for water too, and I will always add a very slight amount of extra Nitrogen to my Flowering Cycle in every grow I do in the future.

BUT to be 100% honest and tell you everything I have observed,

on the other side of the coin,

I am contemplating and thinking that it might be natural, or normal, or even beneficial for the lower third of the plant to lose those leaves so that LIGHT can penetrate deeper into the plant. My plants are so thick in leaves, well, I've never seen anything like it. A half inch from the bottom of each plant's stump or trunk are buds and leaves galore, thicker than I could imagine. The foilage is much much thicker than on any plant I have ever seen.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Flushing?

In the book GROW GREAT Marijuana by Logan Edward, he says if you manicure the buds very closely, and remove every leaf, then there is no need to Flush, because the mineral-fertilizer-nutrient taste is not stored in the pistals, or calyxes or buds or flowers, but only in the leaves.

I stand by I did flush my first grow and not flush the next 6 grows and I can not tell any differencce. I now do not ever flush and never will, I do and will continue tomanicure very close and I never get or got any mineral-fertilizer taste in my buds.
 
The mass leaves at the bottom of every plant are caused by all our prayers for your grow Roseman!

Cheers for the harvest!!!

From Justine and everyone on RIU dot org!
 

JonnyBtreed

Well-Known Member
The mass leaves at the bottom of every plant are caused by all our prayers for your grow Roseman!

Cheers for the harvest!!!

From Justine and everyone on RIU dot org!
I second that.

:clap:

Good Karma Buddy, however you wanna say it.

You've been an amazing help to hundreds if not thousands of people.


You deserve every gram brother.

:leaf:
 

pizzanova

Active Member
While discussing the advantages of bubbleponics over straight DWC you touch briefly on the subject of cloning. Would you have any more advice to offer on the subject of starting clones in rockwool in a bubbleponics system. By the way, we are all excited to see how your harvest goes. Great job.
 

purpdaddy

Well-Known Member
Flushing?

In the book GROW GREAT Marijuana by Logan Edward, he says if you manicure the buds very closely, and remove every leaf, then there is no need to Flush, because the mineral-fertilizer-nutrient taste is not stored in the pistals, or calyxes or buds or flowers, but only in the leaves.

I stand by I did flush my first grow and not the next 6 grows and I can not tell any differencce. I now do not ever flush, I do manicure very close and I never get any mineral-fertilizer taste in my buds.
SO VERY TRUE!

Man that hit me like a TON of BRICKS!:wall::clap::clap::clap:
 

purpdaddy

Well-Known Member
Contributed by: vaaran
Submitted: November 15th, 2004

Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic. Flushing is supposed to improve taste of the final bud by either giving only pure water, clearing solutions or extensive flushing for the last 7-14 days of flowering. While many growers claim a positive effect, others deny any positive influence or even suggest reduced yield and quality.

The theory of pre harvest flushing is to remove nutrients from the grow medium/root zone. A lack of nutrients creates a deficiency, forcing the plant to translocate and use up its internal nutrient compounds.

Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

The nutrient uptake process is explained in this faq.

A good read about plant nutrition can be found here.

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/f99-3637.html

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/Publications/2001 Proceedings/min_nutr.pdf

The claim only ‘chemical’ ferted plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic ferted plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavor of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

http://acd.ucar.edu/~eholland/encyc6.html

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulfur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is neeeded for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

http://www.sidwell.edu

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, ureides and legumes), hormones and proteins.

http://www.sirinet.net

Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf

Translocation:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements cant be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the rootzone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements which start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen which is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins, most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulfur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.

http://muextension.missouri.edu

Summary:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or overfert and unproper drying/curing.
 
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