Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
This is something, a simple tip, we all need to remember.

When you over feed a plant, the leaf tips curl downward or curl UNDER and YELLOW or RUST, or get SPOTY, and eventually get crispy.
When a plant is HUNGRY and being under-fed, the leaf tips Curl UP and turn brown.



Let me re-post some material that will really help you. I am repeating it on purpose so you read it twice, like a review.


Starting Nutes
The VERY FIRST TIME, at set-up, put SIX gallons of water in the tank, and adjust the water's PH, in the tank then. (you will never adjust the pH in the tank again) Take a black magic marker and mark a line inside the tank at the 6 gallon water line level. Use that line to know how much water is needed in the tank.

Start the seeds in the cubes, or use the wet papertowel germination method.

Then, a day later, you pH test the water, and add pH UP or pH DOWN to a half gallon of water and add that half of gallon of water to the tank. Then remove a half gallon, leaving 6 gallons.

When your seeds have germinated or sprouted or cracked, or been added to the tank,
then about a week later, 6 to 7 days, you will have your first node of leaves. A "node of leaves" means two opposing leaves, one across from the other.
Add 1/4 packet or 1/4 dose of nutes (Grow and Micro nutes) to a gallon of water, pH adjust that one gallon and add it to the tank. If you are way over 6 gallons, remove some water. New born babies are born hungry, but not ready for a full meal deal.

Once a day, every day, you check the water level and pH. It will be 2, maybe 3 weeks before they start drinking a half gallon a day, that needs to be replaced.

As they grow, about every other day to every 2 days during the second week, you add another 1/4 packet, until you have used a full dose or full packet of nutes.

After the first 14 days, drain out 5 gallons, and add one gallon at a time, that is pH balanced, adding 5 gallons back. In the 5th gallon, add one full packet of GROW and MICRO nutes, shake and stir it good, before adding it.

After 3 weeks, they will start drinking one half gallon a day. Around the 4th to 5th week, they will be drinking a full gallon a day.

Every 7 to ten days, you DRAIN AND REPLINISH. I prefer every 7 days to give the roots that much needed air bath that they love. If I find extra time, I do it every 4 days, but I put the drained water back in the tank on that EXTRA Drain.

FEEDING IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PPM METER.
You will daily add one gallon of pH water TO REPLACE THE ONE GALLON MISSING. (Or 1/2 gallon daily earlier in the grow, clsoe to the 3rd or 4th week) If the water in the tank tests a pH of 7.0 (too high for example) and you know you want it lower, make one gallon of 5.0 water, and it will make the tank about 6.0 or in that neighborhood. ALSO, in that one gallon of water added daily, add 1/6 packet or dose of new nutes. One gallon or 1/6 of the tank was drank, so you need to replace 1 gallon of water and 1/6 of the nutes.

Or in other words, if they drank 1/6 of the tank's water, they ate 1/6 of the nutes, so you need to replace that 1/6 that was consumed.
IF the grow area is VERY HOT, add back a little less than 1/6 nutes, the plant is just drinking and needing lots of water.
If the grow room is cool, or NOT VERY HOT, use the full 1/6 dose.


DRAINING AND REPLINISHING

First two grows I did, I syphoned the water out into a 5 gallon bucket with an Aquarium syphon hose. That was really a chore!

Then I learned to prop the lid open about three or 4 inches, STILL LEAVING THE LID ON THE TANK, BUT PROPPED UP ON ONE END and I reach in and take the Irrigation Hub off of the pump. Then with a 1/2 or 3/4 inch hose, I use my fist as a coupling, I sit my fist on the upward pump tube with the hose half way in my fist, on top of the pump, and let the pump.....pump the water out into a 5 gallon bucket. It works good for me.

You can also use a WET-VAC, or a small Dril Pump to drain it.

A drill pump (you attach it to an electric drill) is $10 to $15 at Lowes, Home Depot or the Hardware Store.

Let me add here again, I can not emphasis enough, that Roots love the AIR BATH they get during a Drain and Replinish. This is a very important step. The more often you can do it, the faster the plants will grow.


Remember what I am telling you here.

Pot plants sprout with two round leaves, called
cotyledons . Do NOT count those as leaves, they are really the inside of the seed.
AFTER 2 to 4 full leaves appear, tiny as they are, use 1/4 dose of nutes.

When you start a new grow, and AFTER the seeds have sprouted, and you have done one feeding, you do a Drain and Replinish at 10 to 14 days, then every 7 to 10 days.

AFTER the first week, the water is still fresh, and you may have only added 1/4 packet of nutes or 1/4 dose of nutes to the tank at the end of the first week IF you saw two full leaves, besides those FIRST two round ones, the cotyledons .

During the 2nd week, you probably added 1/4 DOSE OF NUTES 2 more times 3 or 4 days apart.

AFTER 14 days from germination, you do the first DRAIN AND REPLINISH. Then, again, every 7 to ten days you DRAIN AND REPLINISH. I do a complete DRAIN AND REPLINISH weekly, every Saturday afternoon.
BUT, every Wednesday, half way through the week and if I have the extra time, I drain the tank into a bucket, pH test the bucket and adjust it, and then, after ten minutes of having an empty tank AND LETTING THE ROOTS GET AN AIR BATH, I add it right back to the tank. That way I did not use ANY EXTRA NUTES or too many nutes, but I did give the roots an air bath.
You will see a RAPID GROWTH SPURT the very next day.

Let me say this again.
IF you do not have a ppm meter...........
and you do a DRAIN and REPLINISH........Try to think in term of SIXTHS. You got 6 plants, and 6 gallons of water in the tank. AFTER ABOUT the first two weeks, you are going to come home from work one day and find the plants drank half a gallon of water, and need to add half a gallon of water back. Half a gallon is half a SIXTH, so add back half a sixth of a packet of nutes back and half gallon of pH adjusted water.

Later, AFTER about three or 4 weeks, you will check the plants and they will have drank one whole gallon of water in one day. ONE gallon is 1/6 of the tank's water, and if 1/6 of the water is gone, then 1/6 of the nutes are gone, so add back one gallon of pH adjusted water and 1/6 does of nutes.
AFTER 3 or 4 weeks, you will find they drank two gallons in one day. Then add two gallons of water, (1/3 of the tank's water) so also add 1/3 packet of nutes.


IF you got the drain plugs, (little black faucets for the tank) make sure you use some plumbers glue or teflon tape or they will leak. The problem with using the DRAIN PLUGS is most of us have to sit our tanks on the floor, making it very difficult to drain the tank that way.

I'm often asked do I drain it out 100%? NO, I don't, I always leave about 1 inch of water or half a gallon. I'm too lazy to get it all, and it doesn't seem to matter.
I'm often asked do I clean the tank when I drain it?
No, I don't let it get dirty to start with. I do not use nutes that color the water or roots, until about the last few weeks, I do use some Liquid Karma the last 2 or 3 weeks as a catalyst. But I still do not let trash or any thing foreign into the tank to have to clean it out.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Feeding my babies

I use nutrients that have ground-up sea shells and bone meal in them. No matter how much they were pulvarized and ground up, they do not disolve well in water. I put my nutes in a quart jar, add 1/2 jar of warm water, and stir them briskly in the jar. Then I add them to my gallon jug, pouring them through my tea strainer. If I see any clumps in the strainer, I smush them with my finger and wash them through my tea stariner again. I fill up my jug with cool water, and pH test it and adjust the pH accordingly before adding it to my tank.




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Roseman

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I 80% drained the two tanks and the bucket, I added back a full dose of nutes in one tank, 1/4 dose of nutes in one tank, and 2/3 packet of nutes into the bucket.
As I added the nutes and water to each reservoir, I added 1/6 teaspoon of pH down to my gallon jug thatn was poured into each tank.
I then pH tested my three serervoirs and found 6.7, 6.4 and 6.2.
I went back and added 1/6 teaspoon of pH Down to each container and got it down to where I wanted it in all three, within 5.9 to 6.4.

 

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Roseman

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I went back and added more lights, placing three bulbs over each tank. I used one 105 watt 6500K, one 85 watt 4100K and one 85 watt 2700K over each tank.





That is the tank on 1/4 nutes. That tank is really one week behind the other tank because I swapped some sprouts around. One tank has sprouts two weeks old, and the other tank has sprouts one week old. The bucket has three sprots three weeks old.


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This is the tank on full nutes. I hope the runt in the corner can take the full dose, but I need to feed the other ones. I'll see if it yellows later.
I made pics with Light OFF and Lights ON.











You will always get a dud, you will always get a runt. And often, the runt and the dud will take off growing faster, later.
 

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Roseman

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That completes the first two full weeks for the bucket and one tank, and one full week on the 2nd tank that I had to start all over, after I robbed it of sprouts for the other tank.

I am not going to discuss ppm and ppm meters here a lot, I do not beleive in letting the ppm meter tell me about my plants adn grow.

That completes my SET-UP, and I am ready to answer questions here and share the thread as my grow journal with anyone that visits.
I will be adding info on growing and speeding up the grow, increasing trichs, problem solving, etc and sharing my tips and advice.
Please feel free to ask me what is not already answered here.
Please do not hi-jack this thread and attempt to change it into a chat room. If you do not know how to start a thread of oyur own, or post pics in YOUR grow journal, then ask me.

I hope this thread helps all the new growers just starting out.
 

DW4174

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Thanks for starting agian. You the man.

Ok I have a question about the nutes and I did not see this on the tutorial.
If you where to start from clones instead of seeds do you still wait 2 weeks to start nutes or start them as soon as they get into the tank? (the question is for roseman please let him answer)
 

macinnis

Active Member
I am getting some conflicting messages about starting nutes. Mostly Crazy is telling me to wait for 4 real leaves, but from your thread it seems like I should give the girls a 1/4 dose now. What do you think?
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Thanks for starting agian. You the man.

Ok I have a question about the nutes and I did not see this on the tutorial.
If you where to start from clones instead of seeds do you still wait 2 weeks to start nutes or start them as soon as they get into the tank? (the question is for roseman please let him answer)
Feeding babies is a difficult question to answer because Strains vary, the system you grow in makes a big difference, (Plain DWC, or Feeder Tubes, or DRIP or Aeropinic) ) and there are 3 inch tall CLONEs with three roots like hairs, and there are clones ten inches tall with roots like a mop.
And the nutrients you use make a big difference.
I always try to give very safe advise that will not harm or kill your plants. If I told you to start clones on full nutes, and you have clones only two inches tall, with two hairs for roots, it woudl kill them, and you'd be upset with me.
If I tell you to start 1/4 dose and increase it every two days, (to be safe) and you have clones 18 inches tall with roots like mops, then you're going to be starving them, and again, be upset with me.
You have to play it safe, expecially when giving advice or when money is involved for expensive seeds or expensive bought clones.
And you alone can determine whether to play it safe or whether to feed them the full meal deal.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I am getting some conflicting messages about starting nutes. Mostly Crazy is telling me to wait for 4 real leaves, but from your thread it seems like I should give the girls a 1/4 dose now. What do you think?
Read Post # 92.

When giving advice, all of us prefer to play it safe. MC and I do not want to advise you, and the plants die from us giving bad advice, so we play it safe.
MC uses a lot stronger nutes, than you or I use. The SH pre-packaged nutes are made for CFL growing and are a little milder in strenght than most growers use.
As a rule of thumb, for all purpose growing, for any nutes in any system, wait until you see 4 full leaves, although they might be 1/8 inch long, not counting those first two round leaves, and when you have 4 full leaves, use 1/4 dose of nutes.

I have two tanks, one is one week ahead of the other one. One tank has 6 plants two weeks old, with 6 leaves on 5 of the 6 plants. In that tank is one runt. I took a big chance of killing that runt, by using full strenght nutes in it for the other 5 plants. I, nor MC, or anyone wants to advise you to take a chance of killing a baby plant.

In my 2nd tank, i have 5 plants with 2 full leaves, so I started 1/4 nute, again , taking a chance of killing the runt. I did not buy my seeds, I did not buy clones and if I kill one, well ca sara, ca sara. I'll start over.

IF I understand correctly, you are using SH pre-packaged nutes, and CFLs and I'd start 1/4 nutes now. Watch them closely and IF they start yellowing, then drain half the water out and replace it with clean pHed water.

I do not drive 55 mph, and I love to speed things up and I will take a chance often. Everyone else is not like me, thank God.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
The sprouts that I put FULL Nutes on, some in the tank had 3 nodes of six leaves, and some of them had only four leaves, plus that runt plant. The ones with 4 leaves are showing slight leaf tip yellowing this evening. The runt is all of a sudden taking off and just a healthy green color, no yellowing.

The three in the bucket, 2 had three nodes, one had two nodes and I put them on Full Nutes, they are all almost doubling in size in one day with the slightest of yellowing. The bucket has two tubes running to each cup, and it seems to be growing the fastest and flourishing the most.
 

HomeGrownHairy

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"...I hope this thread helps all the new growers just starting out."
It helps me as well. Never enuff info. Thanks for doing this Rosey!!!
HGH
 

BLACKMESSIAH7

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:peace: ROSEMAN YOU ARE A CLASS ACT MY BRETHREN:clap: AND I APPRECIATE THE POST. I LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING AND GROWING WITH YOU (SUBSCRIBED) AND I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR ANY AND ALL HELP.
 

purpdaddy

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i start the feeding process after the first ROUND leaves fall off and they got 2 normal leaves..i barely feed em anything,yea like 1/4 dose.With liquid nutes it is real easy administer the food to the plants with a simple BABY medicine syring.
 
hey roseman i am a newbee grower and i am interested in purchasing the bubbleponics system and i am all ready to purchase except that i am unsure about the lights that come with the system and whether or not they will be powerful enough to support a grow of probably only two or three plants. so are the lights that come with the system alright? do i need to upgrade the bulbs there are two upgrades that the website adervtises and i was wondering what your opinion was for the lights that come with the system.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
hey roseman i am a newbee grower and i am interested in purchasing the bubbleponics system and i am all ready to purchase except that i am unsure about the lights that come with the system and whether or not they will be powerful enough to support a grow of probably only two or three plants. so are the lights that come with the system alright? do i need to upgrade the bulbs there are two upgrades that the website adervtises and i was wondering what your opinion was for the lights that come with the system.

Read pages 7 and 8 on this thread, and you will know as much as I know about CFLs and Lights.
You have ogt to be able to read, study and learn to grow successfully.
If you start with 6 seeds, you'll get 3 or 4 females in the tank, just perfect for the tank. I have written in this thread twice that when you calculate watts compared to lumens, and the price of watts per lumen, you will do better with a lot of 42s or 65s, diviidng the two spectrums.
If you read up on BubbleHeads, you will see we get a 10% discount.
The BubbleHeads will be glad to help you here:
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
 
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