rumors we heard before we started growing

Compton Blockz said:

Without reading any posts in this thread (i'll go back and read after I post) These are the rumors I have heard.

-If you put up black curtains,2-way 1-way windows (any irregular window obstruction looking outside IN) that's an automatic giveaway you have a growhouse

-Law enforcement can spot growhouses from the from their aircraft by the amount heat/energy plants give off (even seen this on the show "Weeds")

-most grow websites (U.S. based) are ran by law enforcement

-Utility companies can tell right away if you have a grow operation by increase in output and useage

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Burger Boss said:

Tobacco field flushing is described in post #95 of this thread. I wont go there AGAIN!.......BB

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Illumination said:

BB do your thing however you want and believe whatever you wish dude...your perogative

Namaste'

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Burger Boss said:

Sorry you missed the point: "There IS flushing in nature". This was disputed by the post I was replying to.
Natural rain has the same effect, as to what cannabis growers call flushing.
Since I'm exclusively an outdoor grower, my flushing is the rain, I really can't do much about it one way or the other.
I have no belief's about this, it just happens and I get pretty good smoke, year after year.
I wish you, Good luck & good grow.......BB

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Illumination said:

I concur on flushing is unnecessary and also that light leaks do seem to induce hermies especially in fem seeds if often and bright enough. Jury's still out on how much light etc.

Furthermore I believe the flushing myth was spun out of 2 things actually.
One is the practice of "drowning the roots" in h20 for 10 or more days as this begins the fermenting or curing process while the plant is still alive. As we produce lactic acid to continue on without oxygen or nourishment so does the plant begin fermenting the sugars and carbs into alcohol to be able to sustain itself and survive. Also the days spent attempting to "wick" off or transpire the water out of the root zone the plants metabolism is sped up into overdrive which pushes whatever productions are occurring to the maximum. This practiced has morphed into the harvest flush.
The other is that the "dutch" breeders have pushed and pushed the nutes to their strains especially Phosphorous in the flowering stage and this does effect the plant as it is denied other elements it really needs to function properly so these breeders resorted to flushing pre-harvest in an albeit guilt ridden attempt to make up for abusing the plant.

Hope this sheds some light...

Namaste'

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Illumination said:

So where are the tobacco fields flushed?... See my other post please. Your argument has no factual basis. IMHHO....

Namaste'

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mcpurple said:

didnt really understand the first part, but when i flush i flood it the first day then let it dry up like normal then continue normal amounts of water till harvest. i dont leave my soil soaked it drys out before i water again.



why would they flush tobacco it taste like shit anyway. and who cares about FACTS i have proven to myself that flushing makes it taste better provin fact

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Burger Boss said:

Sorry you missed the point: "There IS flushing in nature". This was disputed by the post I was replying to.
Natural rain has the same effect, as to what cannabis growers call flushing.
Since I'm exclusively an outdoor grower, my flushing is the rain, I really can't do much about it one way or the other.
I have no belief's about this, it just happens and I get pretty good smoke, year after year.
I wish you, Good luck & good grow.......BB

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howdyguhk said:

I'm sorry but you can't compare natural rain to flushing. first of all, when you flush, the runoff is all wasted; it goes down some drain.

natural rain on the other hand moistens the environment. unless we're talking flood rain, there is no "flushing" in nature. the water stays in the ground, it doesn't "wash" the nutes away or anything. plus, as I have already stated previously, there is an entire ecosystem in natural soil that provides nutrients to the plant in outdoor growing that will still be there after it rains.

so...I don't see the validity of flushing occurring in nature.

but again, you do what you do, I have no problem with that.

I have been the only person to post any scientific related evidence to flushing. If everyone wants to be close minded and set in their ways, then whatever, I'm not going to try to convert a Christian to Islam or vice versa.

on the other hand, I am open to ideas and opinions. If anyone has some valid scientific evidence of the benefits of flushing, I would gladly change my opinion.

again, opinions of people like jorge cervantes does NOT count unless it is backed up with some controlled study/experiment, or someone with a phD

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howdyguhk said:

I'm sorry but you can't compare natural rain to flushing. first of all, when you flush, the runoff is all wasted; it goes down some drain.

natural rain on the other hand moistens the environment. unless we're talking flood rain, there is no "flushing" in nature. the water stays in the ground, it doesn't "wash" the nutes away or anything. plus, as I have already stated previously, there is an entire ecosystem in natural soil that provides nutrients to the plant in outdoor growing that will still be there after it rains.

so...I don't see the validity of flushing occurring in nature.

but again, you do what you do, I have no problem with that.

I have been the only person to post any scientific related evidence to flushing. If everyone wants to be close minded and set in their ways, then whatever, I'm not going to try to convert a Christian to Islam or vice versa.

on the other hand, I am open to ideas and opinions. If anyone has some valid scientific evidence of the benefits of flushing, I would gladly change my opinion.

again, opinions of people like jorge cervantes does NOT count unless it is backed up with some controlled study/experiment, or someone with a phD

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Burger Boss said:

I'm thinking that gravity is in play here. When I get 1/2" of rain, (& that's NO flood!), the water doesn't just sit on the surface or hang up in the top few inches of the strata, it continues down, and carries any dissolved "salts" with it. Call it "flushing", "douching", "root-scrubbing", whatever; the effect is the same: potentially toxic material is pulled down and away from the root mass.

Perhaps our failure to communicate is more "semantic", than "scientific".

Gentlemen, I'm not defending some "grow" method. I'm simply explaining the interaction of water & gravity, with NO malice or rancor intended. I sincerely wish you, Good luck & good grow.......BB

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howdyguhk said:

I'm sorry but you can't compare natural rain to flushing. first of all, when you flush, the runoff is all wasted; it goes down some drain.

natural rain on the other hand moistens the environment. unless we're talking flood rain, there is no "flushing" in nature. the water stays in the ground, it doesn't "wash" the nutes away or anything. plus, as I have already stated previously, there is an entire ecosystem in natural soil that provides nutrients to the plant in outdoor growing that will still be there after it rains.

so...I don't see the validity of flushing occurring in nature.

but again, you do what you do, I have no problem with that.

I have been the only person to post any scientific related evidence to flushing. If everyone wants to be close minded and set in their ways, then whatever, I'm not going to try to convert a Christian to Islam or vice versa.

on the other hand, I am open to ideas and opinions. If anyone has some valid scientific evidence of the benefits of flushing, I would gladly change my opinion.

again, opinions of people like jorge cervantes does NOT count unless it is backed up with some controlled study/experiment, or someone with a phD

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leftreartire said:

in the last few weeks of flowering we put monster bloom or kapow in our plants 100-100-100 to get the most out of it and then we decide not to give it anything but straight water for the last 2 weeks.....i just dont get it

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mistaphuck said:

well it rinses the soil out so that you plant metabolizes what nutrients are left, and by the time you harvest there's no residual elements in you bud, it burns smoother, tastes better, and releases less carcinogens during combustion

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Illumination said:

A King Crimson quote!!...nevermind that makes you all right in my book

Namaste' 21st century...

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leftreartire said:

i personaly dont believe flushing makes any difference in my honest opion. plus i usually cany wait that long i want to get smoking.....lol

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Burger Boss said:

If this is truly the case, then I suppose if you were given the choice of, Beaulieu Vineyards, 2007 Georges de Latour, Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon or Mad Dog 20/20, you would go "Dog" all the way.
Not a problem, it just speaks to individual tastes.......BB

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