Russians running yearslong Trolling operation to project their blame onto Ukraine.
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BudmanTX
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why do sense bait?
hanimmal
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lol I am sorry but I am not sure if that is missing a couple words, because I am not sure what it means, unless it is about baiting of a person's senses.
Like maybe you meant that I am posting 'sense bait' and you are curious why. But could be something else?
But if you are curious of that, I guess it is to make sure that the reality of what is going on (Russia is conducting a multi year/decades trolling attack on Ukraine) and not let it get buried by the spam. But I really think I am just reading too much into what you wrote lol.
BudmanTX
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your good buddy, what i meant by "bait", is that when he posts that, GRU and other element will see it, send it back to pooty, pooty sends the order for the shipment to be hit, basically baiting him to hit the said shipments......it's been said that pooty will hit arm shipments but all arm shipments are under NATO (correct me if i am wrong), so wouldn't that be a hit on Nato/EU?????
POTUS could be also TROLLIng ol pooty too.......
hanimmal
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Hell yeah, Biden is yanking Putin's chains without a doubt.
Biden even dared Putin to make him look like a fool after he outed Putin's entire plan ahead of the attack. All Putin had to do was not attack and call Biden a liar, but he couldn't.
BudmanTX
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and now he's doing it again with arms......"hey pooty here are the arms we are send, you wanna hit them, go for it, but if you do....we're coming for ya...js"
BudmanTX
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oh wow, i dunno what i've found here........
read the comments and stuff......i've used google translate with it for a little bit.....
read the comments and stuff......i've used google translate with it for a little bit.....
BudmanTX
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hanimmal
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/17/russia-information-firewall-ukraine-war/
RIGA, Latvia — Fake U.S. biowarfare labs. Fake killer birds. Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump cameos. Ukrainian “Nazis” everywhere.
Russia’s domestic television propaganda machine has reached such an intensity amid President Vladimir Putin’s war against Ukraine that a tiny — but previously unthinkable — crack in Moscow’s state news juggernaut broke open earlier this week with an on-air protest.
For three weeks, what are known as Russia’s “federal channels” — separate state-controlled news networks that offer different flavors of the same Kremlin-fawning fare — have been serving up Putin’s spin on a war that his government calls a “special military operation.”
It goes like this: It was a necessary measure to save the people of the Moscow-backed separatist regions in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas and liberate the rest of the nation from illegitimate “Nazi” authorities armed by reckless Americans — and the Russian military is hitting only Ukrainian military targets while its opponents are killing civilians.
To watch is to gaze through the Kremlin’s looking glass. It’s also a lesson in why Putin feels confident that his domestic apparatus, armed with a combination of propaganda and repression, can withstand the blowback of a war that U.S. officials say already has left thousands of Russian soldiers dead since the invasion Feb. 24.
Anton Shirikov, a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin at Madison who studies Russian state propaganda, said that trying to pierce the propaganda bubble can feel impossible. Shirikov compared it to telling a fervent supporter of President Donald Trump and voracious consumer of right-wing U.S. media that President Biden won the 2020 election fairly.
“People who are genuinely supportive of Putin and the Putin government are really unlikely to believe stories that portray Ukraine positively and the same for the West,” Shirikov said. “They have this filter that, even if they see this story from their relatives or their friends, they will just reject it.”
While ramping up wartime propaganda, the Kremlin has simultaneously cracked down on the last vestiges of Russia’s free press, pulling the plug on the radio station Echo of Moscow and passing a new restrictive law that threatens years in prison for those who publish “fakes” about the “special military operation.” The law prompted Russia’s independent TV Rain to shut down and prompted many journalists from independent outlets and foreign media in Russia to leave the country.
Digitally savvy Russians can still access independent news by using YouTube, the messenger app Telegram or virtual private networks, better known as VPNs. But older Russians tend to rely more on television and make up the primary viewership of Russia’s state news apparatus.
The state information bubble was pierced ever so briefly when Marina Ovsyannikova, an employee at Russia’s flagship state-controlled Channel One, stormed Monday night’s live news broadcast to demand an end to the war and held up a sign reading, among other things, “You’re being lied to here.”
Not long afterward, the independent Russian media outlet Meduza confirmed that one of Channel One’s star correspondents, Zhanna Agalakova, had quit in protest of the war.
On March 15, Marina Ovsyannikova told reporters she was interrogated for more than 14 hours after staging a protest on Russian state television the day before. (Reuters)
Despite those fissures and the possibility of other turmoil behind the scenes, Russia’s state propaganda has continued to flow unabated, luring millions of Russians into supporting a large-scale war where no mention is ever made of anyone dying at the hands of the Russian military. Reporting of Russian military casualties is practically nonexistent, limited to official Defense Ministry statistics that dramatically understate losses.
Gleb Pavlovsky, a former political strategist for Putin, said the government-controlled news channels have become a critical branch of Russian state power, as important as the general prosecutor’s office or the Interior Ministry, albeit outside the Russian constitution. They “provide everyone with a set of loyalty symbols,” Pavlovsky said.
“We see that it is powerful enough to preserve that support. It works, and it gets results,” Pavlovsky said. “Of course, without it, there would be no such results.”
The slickly produced reporting packages and talk shows, some of which have been airing extra hours since the war started, have fallen primarily into two thematic categories since the start of the war.
The first presents Russian military operations as a necessary measure to subduesavage Ukrainian “Nazis” who are killing civilians indiscriminately for a country that only questionably exists. The second emphasizes how the United States and its European allies, through sanctions and other retributive measures, are trying to destroy Russia and must be counteracted with patriotic defiance and self-reliance.
Dmitry Kiselyov, the Russian propagandist who anchors “News of the Week” on Rossiya-1, began his show Sunday by saying Kyiv would “be forced to answer for war crimes and genocide,” and he warned of made-up “concentration camps and mass executions.”
He then quickly cut to a teaser of Fox News host Tucker Carlson lending credence to a false Russian state propaganda talking point claiming the United States operates secret biological weapons labs in Ukraine — one of the myriad casus belli that Russia has promoted in recent days.
Russian propaganda for years has targeted a Defense Department program started after the Cold War to ensure safety at foreign laboratories and identify potential biological threats. Ukraine is one of 27 countries where the program operates.
During Sunday’s show, Kiselyov claimed the United States was trying to “get the genetic code for Russians” in those Ukrainian labs, exclaiming “this alone confirms Americans think of us as one people.” He told listeners that Americans were trying to figure out which chemicals would be most effective in targeting Russian genetic weaknesses.
The two speeches Putin gave the week he started the war made long detours into history. State news programs have followed his lead, airing segment after segment questioning modern Ukraine’s boundaries and its validity as a nation.
State news shows have been airing the map of an unrecognized self-declared Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic, which existed only in theory for about a month in 1918, to imply modern Ukraine’s boundaries are a fiction and the eastern part of the country belongs to Russia. Beyond questioning the borders, Russian state channels have been openly challenging the notion of an independent Ukraine.
“When we had a czar, there was no such thing as Ukraine,” Kiselyov said on his Sunday show.
At the end of the show, Kiselyov dedicated a segment to claiming images of Russia’s attack on a maternity hospital in the Ukrainian city Mariupol were “crude and cheap” fakes. He brought on a military expert to say it wasn’t clear whether one of the pregnant women photographed by the Associated Press in the aftermath of the attack “was willingly taking part in this provocation or she was forced.”
Russian forces are portrayed as good-hearted liberators. On the Rossiya-1 nightly news on Monday, one Russian special forces soldier was shown shaking hands with a local man after “liberating” his town; another Russian soldier patted a crying woman on the shoulder. At the end of Kiselyov’s show, three Chechen soldiers — part of Russia’s military forces — were shown giving medicine to a man in Ukraine and explaining how to take it.
At the same time, Russian state news has been showing civilians allegedly maimed by Ukrainian forces. State news broadcasts earlier this week led with graphic imagery of civilians killed and maimed in central Donetsk.
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Robert Michael Ellis
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The Russian sowing of conflict, discord and misinformation continues. They're not making much headway in the West at present (except amongst diehard contrarians), as claims that they are not really invading, or that the Ukrainians are 'shelling themselves' are rather obviously false in intention, so they seem to have turned their attention to the rest of the world.
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The Russian sowing of conflict, discord and misinformation continues. They're not making much headway in the West at present (except amongst diehard contrarians), as claims that they are not really invading, or that the Ukrainians are 'shelling themselves' are rather obviously false in intention, so they seem to have turned their attention to the rest of the world.
DIY-HP-LED
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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment
Mar 18, 2022
Ukrainian forces conducted a major successful counterattack around Mykolayiv in the past several days, and Russian forces continued to secure territorial gains only around Mariupol on March 18. Russian forces face growing morale and supply problems, including growing reports of self-mutilation among Russian troops to avoid deployment to Ukraine and shortages of key guided munitions. The Ukrainian General Staff continued to report on March 18 that Russia has failed to achieve its strategic objectives in Ukraine, including destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces, capturing Kyiv, and establishing control over Ukraine to the east bank of the Dnipro River—the first time the Ukrainian General Staff included this territorial conquest as an explicit Russian objective. The Ukrainian General Staff additionally stated that Ukrainian forces “continue step by step to liberate the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine in all directions” on March 18, the first Ukrainian mention of conducting counterattacks “in all directions.”
Ukraine Conflict Update 17
Mar 18, 2022
Russian and Ukrainian negotiators have likely agreed that Ukraine will not join NATO but disagree on Ukraine’s neutrality, disarmament, and territorial claims as of March 17. The Financial Times reported on March 15 that Russian and Ukrainian negotiators were considering a 15-point deal stipulating that Ukraine renounce its NATO ambitions and promise not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for security guarantees from states like the United States, United Kingdom, and Turkey. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged on March 15 that Ukraine will not join NATO, citing NATO state reservations rather than Russian demands.
Source: https://www.understandingwar.org/...
Mar 18, 2022
Ukrainian forces conducted a major successful counterattack around Mykolayiv in the past several days, and Russian forces continued to secure territorial gains only around Mariupol on March 18. Russian forces face growing morale and supply problems, including growing reports of self-mutilation among Russian troops to avoid deployment to Ukraine and shortages of key guided munitions. The Ukrainian General Staff continued to report on March 18 that Russia has failed to achieve its strategic objectives in Ukraine, including destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces, capturing Kyiv, and establishing control over Ukraine to the east bank of the Dnipro River—the first time the Ukrainian General Staff included this territorial conquest as an explicit Russian objective. The Ukrainian General Staff additionally stated that Ukrainian forces “continue step by step to liberate the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine in all directions” on March 18, the first Ukrainian mention of conducting counterattacks “in all directions.”
Ukraine Conflict Update 17
Mar 18, 2022
Russian and Ukrainian negotiators have likely agreed that Ukraine will not join NATO but disagree on Ukraine’s neutrality, disarmament, and territorial claims as of March 17. The Financial Times reported on March 15 that Russian and Ukrainian negotiators were considering a 15-point deal stipulating that Ukraine renounce its NATO ambitions and promise not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for security guarantees from states like the United States, United Kingdom, and Turkey. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged on March 15 that Ukraine will not join NATO, citing NATO state reservations rather than Russian demands.
Source: https://www.understandingwar.org/...
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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 19
Mar 19, 2022 - Press ISW
Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war. That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine. That campaign has culminated. Russian forces continue to make limited advances in some parts of the theater but are very unlikely to be able to seize their objectives in this way. The doctrinally sound Russian response to this situation would be to end this campaign, accept a possibly lengthy operational pause, develop the plan for a new campaign, build up resources for that new campaign, and launch it when the resources and other conditions are ready. The Russian military has not yet adopted this approach. It is instead continuing to feed small collections of reinforcements into an ongoing effort to keep the current campaign alive. We assess that that effort will fail.
Mar 19, 2022 - Press ISW
Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war. That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine. That campaign has culminated. Russian forces continue to make limited advances in some parts of the theater but are very unlikely to be able to seize their objectives in this way. The doctrinally sound Russian response to this situation would be to end this campaign, accept a possibly lengthy operational pause, develop the plan for a new campaign, build up resources for that new campaign, and launch it when the resources and other conditions are ready. The Russian military has not yet adopted this approach. It is instead continuing to feed small collections of reinforcements into an ongoing effort to keep the current campaign alive. We assess that that effort will fail.
hanimmal
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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-europe-united-nations-nato-40dde8718d5ca5864a1f3bfdba7e9d84
Nearly one month has passed since the biggest land invasion in Europe since World War II, and there have been no major breakthroughs on the battlefield or the negotiating table.
Nearly one month has passed since the biggest land invasion in Europe since World War II, and there have been no major breakthroughs on the battlefield or the negotiating table.
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BudmanTX
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and they got another bank payment coming up too......go ahead pay in Rubles...the bank payments are in dollars....
