Safer method for Rick Simpsons Oil?
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zvuv
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The risks from evaporating alcohol or acetone have been way overstated. It's almost impossible to build up a combustible air/vapor mix outdoors with a breeze or in a well ventilated kitchen with a fan. Sure if it goes wrong it could be bad but the same can be said for driving to the store.
With reasonable care evaporating these solvents is pretty safe.
With reasonable care evaporating these solvents is pretty safe.
Hey you should post results after your family member gets on the oil. Think about it.thanks guysnice of you guys to give input. sounds like your all right about the explosion risk.
maximum
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we dont know yet if its a cancer just waiting on the biopsy. I will post results though. I am always looking for other peoples results. Do you have any links to people that tried it?
I got a couple subscribed and im waiting for updates on them
https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana-patients/466559-postate-cancer-cure.html
https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/454136-kidney-cancer-ingesting-hash-oil.html
I been lookign for them, i dont think ive seen one from beginning to end.
squarepush3r
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[video=youtube;DKsq90jWFuA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKsq90jWFuA[/video]
As far as safe, there is a cold/freezer + distiller method, I am not sure if it maintains the same effectiveness as his original method of high temperature.
Outdoors is a must, but other than that it should be fairly safe.
As far as safe, there is a cold/freezer + distiller method, I am not sure if it maintains the same effectiveness as his original method of high temperature.
Outdoors is a must, but other than that it should be fairly safe.
Finshaggy
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Hey guys. Just so you know. First off... This is just the recipe for the most simple hash to make ever. There are MANY MANY other methods. I've done this A LOT. When I was younger and wanted to make hash, all I could get was alcohol or acetone. Your basically making tea out of the bud, then letting the water dry of so you just have what was inside the tea leaves, but in this case Marijuana leaves.
It makes a VERY harsh, VERY hard to control(handle) oil. I'll give you some MUCH easier methods, if your goal is to do this without being noticed by parents or landlord or something.
So here's some methods:
Get a mason jar and acetone (Never use acetone in plastic, it absorbs it)
Put the weed, the stems, any keif. And if you so choose, any resin. That you want to turn into hash/hash oil.
Let it sit for like 30 mins, longer if you want. And shake it in five minute intervals taking five minute breaks. (Can do less if you want)
Filter it out with a coffee filter. And pour it into a Pyrex dish. Let it sit in the sun, Or put it on a hot plate, or a convection oven and put it at a temprature that won't destory the THC. Or if your just using the sun, let it sit untill it's just goop.
I'm sorry to say, this isn't going to cure cancer any better than the original plant material. But it wont take as much stuff to get way higher. Which is bad ass. It's hard to give it to other people though, because it's SOOOOOOOO goopy. Sticks to bags, foil and everything.
It makes a VERY harsh, VERY hard to control(handle) oil. I'll give you some MUCH easier methods, if your goal is to do this without being noticed by parents or landlord or something.
So here's some methods:
Get a mason jar and acetone (Never use acetone in plastic, it absorbs it)
Put the weed, the stems, any keif. And if you so choose, any resin. That you want to turn into hash/hash oil.
Let it sit for like 30 mins, longer if you want. And shake it in five minute intervals taking five minute breaks. (Can do less if you want)
Filter it out with a coffee filter. And pour it into a Pyrex dish. Let it sit in the sun, Or put it on a hot plate, or a convection oven and put it at a temprature that won't destory the THC. Or if your just using the sun, let it sit untill it's just goop.
I'm sorry to say, this isn't going to cure cancer any better than the original plant material. But it wont take as much stuff to get way higher. Which is bad ass. It's hard to give it to other people though, because it's SOOOOOOOO goopy. Sticks to bags, foil and everything.
maximum
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This sounds idiot proof. Thanks so much!!
zvuv
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Yes you can use acetone and just set it out to evaporate. I prefer acetone because it's fast. My method is similar to what Finshaggy describes. I use a double boiler on the stove. The burner is definitely hot enough to serve as an ignition point. I open doors and windows and set a fan to blow right over the dish. I have done a fair amount of work with flammable liquids and gases and I am confident I am right about this, but could be I've just been lucky so far. OTH how often do you hear about this operation blowing up?
Butane extraction is definitely risky, not horribly so, but still risky. Working with a pressurized flammable gas is inherently more risky. I would do it myself but I wouldn't tell anyone else to do it.
Far more dangerous than any of this is the little propane tank you use for your barbecue. Propane has a very wide flash range and being heavier than air, it pools easily like a liquid. A slow leak from a tank can pool in a cavity or a basement and then suddenly flash. Houses have been blown up this way. On top of this, the modern propane tanks have an over pressure valve which will start releasing gas at about 120F. A temperature that can easily be reached on a hot day by leaving the tank out in the sun. Again the best protection is a breeze to disperse the gas.
None of these operations should be done while stoned!!! Losing track of time or a careless mistake with hot liquid fuel will really kill your buzz
Butane extraction is definitely risky, not horribly so, but still risky. Working with a pressurized flammable gas is inherently more risky. I would do it myself but I wouldn't tell anyone else to do it.
Far more dangerous than any of this is the little propane tank you use for your barbecue. Propane has a very wide flash range and being heavier than air, it pools easily like a liquid. A slow leak from a tank can pool in a cavity or a basement and then suddenly flash. Houses have been blown up this way. On top of this, the modern propane tanks have an over pressure valve which will start releasing gas at about 120F. A temperature that can easily be reached on a hot day by leaving the tank out in the sun. Again the best protection is a breeze to disperse the gas.
None of these operations should be done while stoned!!! Losing track of time or a careless mistake with hot liquid fuel will really kill your buzz
Finshaggy
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Yeah, acetone evaporates amazingly fast. And it is relatively safe. I literaly put it on my arm to feel the evaporation take place. That's how fast it happens. If there is a thin layer, you can SEE and if it's on you, you can FEEL the evaporation.
It won't blow up unless you do something STUPID STUPID. We've played around with this and other chemies in a garage, smoking cigarettes all night, and we didn't blow up. Don't put a fire next to it, smoke 6ft, or preferably further away. And don't have open flame constantly going or anything you'll be fine.
Butane is ok if you have the right material to push it through and a nice notch at the top. The can won't explode unless you shoot it, or throw it in a fire. So don't do that, but you can get a honeybee extractor, or get (NOT PVC) some kind of pipe and create your own. Maybe a glass pipe would work? I've used the Honeybee, it's simple and safe.
I'd say don't use propane. But that may be an economic way to do butane type extractions, I will look into it. Gotta make sure nothing is left behind. According to King of the Hill it is a "Clean burning gas" though, so maybe it's ok to inhale it as you burn oil with a tiny bit of propane left. It may just evaporate though.
It won't blow up unless you do something STUPID STUPID. We've played around with this and other chemies in a garage, smoking cigarettes all night, and we didn't blow up. Don't put a fire next to it, smoke 6ft, or preferably further away. And don't have open flame constantly going or anything you'll be fine.
Butane is ok if you have the right material to push it through and a nice notch at the top. The can won't explode unless you shoot it, or throw it in a fire. So don't do that, but you can get a honeybee extractor, or get (NOT PVC) some kind of pipe and create your own. Maybe a glass pipe would work? I've used the Honeybee, it's simple and safe.
I'd say don't use propane. But that may be an economic way to do butane type extractions, I will look into it. Gotta make sure nothing is left behind. According to King of the Hill it is a "Clean burning gas" though, so maybe it's ok to inhale it as you burn oil with a tiny bit of propane left. It may just evaporate though.
zvuv
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@maximum: I forgot to say: I'm sorry to hear about your relative's troubles and I wish him the best. Whether it turns out good or bad, these things are very frightening and extremely stressful. Like finshaggy I am very skeptical about cannabis oil being a cure for cancer but what's the worst that could happen from trying it? Get stoned for no reason? Hate when that happens In any case he's lucky to have you for a friend.
@finshaggy: I never thought about using propane for the extraction solvent? Liquid propane is a very agressive solvent. Why wouldn't it work? Only problem I can think of are the mercaptans they add to give it that skunk smell. They can be very persistent. I have all sorts of fittings for propane. I should put something together. I'm thinking copper pipe with brass fittings and black iron plumbing parts for the main extraction chamber. I'm thinking I'm stoned....
In any case he's lucky to have you for a friend.@finshaggy: I never thought about using propane for the extraction solvent? Liquid propane is a very agressive solvent. Why wouldn't it work? Only problem I can think of are the mercaptans they add to give it that skunk smell. They can be very persistent. I have all sorts of fittings for propane. I should put something together. I'm thinking copper pipe with brass fittings and black iron plumbing parts for the main extraction chamber. I'm thinking I'm stoned....
Finshaggy
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Propane probably would work. But it may leave shit behind. You want EVERYTHING that touches the weed to evaporate eventually.And I don't know what residues propane has, or if that stuff that makes it small bad will be left behind. It could very possibly work though.@maximum: I forgot to say: I'm sorry to hear about your relative's troubles and I wish him the best. Whether it turns out good or bad, these things are very frightening and extremely stressful. Like finshaggy I am very skeptical about cannabis oil being a cure for cancer but what's the worst that could happen from trying it? Get stoned for no reason? Hate when that happens
@finshaggy: I never thought about using propane for the extraction solvent? Liquid propane is a very agressive solvent. Why wouldn't it work? Only problem I can think of are the mercaptans they add to give it that skunk smell. They can be very persistent. I have all sorts of fittings for propane. I should put something together. I'm thinking copper pipe with brass fittings and black iron plumbing parts for the main extraction chamber. I'm thinking I'm stoned....
Finshaggy
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But that could have still been someones opinion. And maybe even someone's opinion who had never tried it before. Which happens A LOT on roll it up. People not trying something, then because the alternative DOES work, bashing the other method without ever have tried it.
maximum
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Just an update for you guys since I know some people are always trying to follow rick simpsons oil threads to see if it works. Relative is now on chemo and other toxic drugs and refusing to let me give dope for even nausea. She wont even use the vaporizer I bought her. I didnt make the oil yet because my grow isnt done yet. Dispite my best efforts to email her studies and buy the book "marijuana: gateway to health" its gotten me nowhere. Marijuana is bad she thinks and is holding off trying it while she cashes in prescriptions one after the other to treat the painful side effects of chemo. The cancer specialist offered a marijuana license but told her it wont be as affective as the 4 drugs they give to replace dope. Although the 4 drugs have left her with a metallic taste in her mouth, sleeplessness and other nasty side effects. Im just fucken pissed off now. Later guys.
Finshaggy
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Don't give up on your relative.
Look up "Water healing" "1.5" "Liter" If they won't try weed, try that 3x a day. Then eventually go to their house with highlighted lines in your book, Rick Simpsons video, and a couple other resources. They will be hard pressed NOT to try your two natural methods together, AND maybe you can find more. And together 2, 3, 4, 10 natural easy things can replace her 4 western med horrors.
potpimp
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When she comes face to face with her own mortality, she might will listen - after the doctors have given up all hope for her. If she turns to the oil only as a last resort, there may still be enough time for it to cure her. Keep on with your grow; you're a great and wonderful soul for doing this.