Sativied's Indoor Garden

Those look so good man, your leaves are loving you!

Just curious, I never been to the Dam but when you say you tried all those strains, how much does it cost to smoke like that in a cafe? Or can you sample anything? I need to make some serious money and take a trip out there!

Plants are packing weight, awesome!

Peace
FM

F.M.I.L.Y said:

Just curious, I never been to the Dam but when you say you tried all those strains, how much does it cost to smoke like that in a cafe? Or can you sample anything?

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Short answer: too much. Majority of shops in Amsterdam are overpriced (tourist prices) and most will scrape off 0.02 (for example) it goes over the ordered amount of grams (in my case usually just 1).

Long answer:

Back home I usually buy per 10euros, not per gram. So a small zip usually contains a little more or a little less than 1 gram) while in Amsterdam you have to buy at least a per gram (rounded so either 1, 2, 5 whatever, not 1.8 for example), in most shops anyway. In non tourist shops and outside Amsterdam mini zips of 5euro are not uncommon but usually only for the cheap stuff.

The red cherry berry from BF was the cheapest on the list (indicas usually are) : 12 euro per gram, nearly $15. I usually buy Tangerine dream there, which is over $20 p/gr.
The Maui Haze was 14 euro / $17.50 if I remember correctly.
The Bio Amnesia is 11 or 12 euros, 14/15USD. Relatively (for Amsterdam), that's a fair price for such a quality piece of bud.
The Chocolope was 11 euros / 14USD.
Temple Balls was 13.50euro / $17

A total of about $80 if I would have gotten only 1 gram of Temple Balls (got two instead ) Most of it I take home, and it's for me and the wife, will last a few days.

To put it differently, most shops in the Netherlands sell 1 gram at 1euro/0.75USD multiplied by flowering weeks. Indicas 8-10euros (10.50-13USD) with some more exclusive stuff a couple of bucks more. Haze 10-16 euros (13-20USD+) and sometimes more. (and in case you're wondering, the grower gets about half or less if large quantities). In Amsterdam (in the center and surrounding areas) it's very roughly 25% more expensive.

That's just mj though. Most expensive (isolator) hasj I've seen yesterday was 70 euro per gram, that's about 95USD... Hasj menus are often divided into:
- local (isolater stuff, extreme high THC and $20-95, usually around $50 or more in Amsterdam) and (Super Pollen) for around $10-$15. Pollen is dry sifted and not that much pressed, so usually light. Pollen is to hasj what Skunk is to mj.
- Moroccan (cheap, similar to Indica prices. High CBD usually)
- Other import (Nepal, Himalayan, etc). $15 and upwards. I prefer this one or some good ol' Pollen.

F.M.I.L.Y said:

Or can you sample anything?

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Long before it became as commercialized as it is now you could sample at seed shops, but no, that's no an option at coffeeshops. There are 5-15 people behind you waiting in line, they don't care if you go next door or not. Amsterdam is like a theme park, fun as hell, but almost everything 'inside' the park is overpriced.

F.M.I.L.Y said:

I need to make some serious money and take a trip out there!

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Yeah you do Would love to give you the Sativied-tour.

TempleBalls (notice the skid marks in the zip )


Bio Amnesia (at Jolly Joker at the end of the Zeedijk/chinese area. Behind the RLD if you're coming from the Dam or central station). It has like a fuzzy coat of trichs:

Thanks for taking the time out to write that all for me and anyone else who might want to know. I really do need to get out there before I die, just one of those things everyone should say"Been there and done that". Awesome write up, thanks for the info! Maybe one day I will get out there and you will be the 1st to know.

Peace
FM

I apologize for not updating my journal for so long

Took some popcorn porn shots (popporn?) (all SK1)






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Pre-taster sample from the SK2:



It's getting less and less likely I'll be popping my own beans for the next cycle, so I'm looking for some new beans. I had the Sugar Punch in mind as a backup, but Sannie's 2nd attempt to recreate it didn't work out either, so I need to find something else... which frankly sucks. So many seed banks, so little actual breeders. Didn't even bother to look in Amsterdam last weekend, so much bullshit hybrids.

I'm 'growing' tired of strains that all go back to the same old IBLs which may or may not be the actual thing and hybrids thrown together just for the $. Anyone got some 25-35 year old seed in cryonics Maybe I should get some adoption kids around the world to send me some pure strains <--- see my point? I need better stuff for better highdeas

What is it that you don't like about the Sugar Punch? I ran it a couple times and really liked the smoke, but didn't care for its growth habits. The buds were long and slender, sativa type growth for sure with slightly airy buds.

I presume you're looking for a scrog type strain? What kind of flowering period are you seeking?

I think you're right, the Kollossus should pack some more weight on soon. I'm finishing one right now and I swear I can't tell a lick of difference between the Kollossus and AK47. Looks, smell etc all spot on. It won't yield as well as the cutting of AK I have but I won't be running Kollussus anymore based on its similar characteristics of AK which I already run with a fine specimen of a cut.

Shwagbag said:

What is it that you don't like about the Sugar Punch?

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The last Sugar Punch beans were sold out about a year ago, Sannie made two attempts since to recreate it but both failed (he posted about it about a week ago), so basically that's what I don't like about it: it's not available anymore. The Sugar Punch I've grown in my soil run last winter was downright the best stash I had in 2 decades (which partly and perhaps largely is because most of what I smoked wasn't cured as well and long). Apart from the haze structure mine were anything but airy, best yield quantity-wise too, nearly 19oz while I had 5 instead of 6 plants.

Shwagbag said:

I presume you're looking for a scrog type strain?

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Yeah, something that won't mind a little abuse.

I think I found a solution to make the choice a little easier though. I'm going to add a second grow for 100% sativas only. Flowering that long in my hydro system would be more effort to keep roots healthy so it's going to be in soil. In my hydro closet I will grow only one (faster and easier) strain per cycle from now on. Clones only after selecting a mother next cycle. Just too much trouble with different height, nutes demand, and harvest times running multiple strains in it.

I need to do a little more research, but currently leaning towards picking a sativa from Ace Seeds (the Malawi, GT, or Panama). I've seen a couple of interesting results with those LST-ed 12/12 from seed.

That removes the "more-sativa" desire from the other grow. Doesn't mean I'm going to grow an indica, I need something I can trade for grow upgrades sort of speak, a 9-11 week haze hybrid or similar with above average yields. The SP would have fit. I like Sannie's gear a lot but I want to grow something else. I might try something from Canadians breeders for a change and try to avoid the classic IBLs all together, or maybe the Spice from Mr. Nice (Hawaii Indica x Hawaii Sativa) or just the SSH itself.

My nr 1 and 2 choices would be GSC and Blue Dream... I know they are hyped and not the best shit out there, but they would definitely sell very easy here. I read, perhaps rumors, that they'll be available through DNA later this year. BF's Tangerine Dream is one of my favorites to smoke, but don't want to grow that one. DNA released Tangie, but it seems to be a low yielder and of course is fem.

It has to be regular seeds this time, nothing against feminized seeds but I want to grow some real men as well just for the fun/experience.

That all said, any suggestions?

Sativied said:

The last Sugar Punch beans were sold out about a year ago, Sannie made two attempts since to recreate it but both failed (he posted about it about a week ago), so basically that's what I don't like about it: it's not available anymore. The Sugar Punch I've grown in my soil run last winter was downright the best stash I had in 2 decades (which partly and perhaps largely is because most of what I smoked wasn't cured as well and long). Apart from the haze structure mine were anything but airy, best yield quantity-wise too, nearly 19oz while I had 5 instead of 6 plants.

Yeah, something that won't mind a little abuse.

I think I found a solution to make the choice a little easier though. I'm going to add a second grow for 100% sativas only. Flowering that long in my hydro system would be more effort to keep roots healthy so it's going to be in soil. In my hydro closet I will grow only one (faster and easier) strain per cycle from now on. Clones only after selecting a mother next cycle. Just too much trouble with different height, nutes demand, and harvest times running multiple strains in it.

I need to do a little more research, but currently leaning towards picking a sativa from Ace Seeds (the Malawi, GT, or Panama). I've seen a couple of interesting results with those LST-ed 12/12 from seed.

That removes the "more-sativa" desire from the other grow. Doesn't mean I'm going to grow an indica, I need something I can trade for grow upgrades sort of speak, a 9-11 week haze hybrid or similar with above average yields. The SP would have fit. I like Sannie's gear a lot but I want to grow something else. I might try something from Canadians breeders for a change and try to avoid the classic IBLs all together, or maybe the Spice from Mr. Nice (Hawaii Indica x Hawaii Sativa) or just the SSH itself.

My nr 1 and 2 choices would be GSC and Blue Dream... I know they are hyped and not the best shit out there, but they would definitely sell very easy here. I read, perhaps rumors, that they'll be available through DNA later this year. BF's Tangerine Dream is one of my favorites to smoke, but don't want to grow that one. DNA released Tangie, but it seems to be a low yielder and of course is fem.

It has to be regular seeds this time, nothing against feminized seeds but I want to grow some real men as well just for the fun/experience.

That all said, any suggestions?

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Damn no more SP that sucks! He'll get it, it will just take awhile. He's pretty picky. I will see what I can do to make some winter beans of them. I have a cpl left that are feminized but I can try to make it work. I'm also a big fan, its damn "sugary" lol.

Have you considered TGA Vortex for a Sativa? I just sexed one on my 2nd attempt, flowering period is supposed to be around 50 days. Damn nice for an award winning mostly sativa strain if you ask me and I really like the one or two strains I've done from TGA.

Or maybe Alaskan Ice ( WW x Haze around 63 days) or something similar? I too like Sativas, but don't like the long cycles so I try to find sativa leaning hybrids with reasonable flowering periods.

Alaskan Ice - One of my bros does this one and its his absolute favorite. Its on my radar for the winter.

Vortex - I haven't finished one yet but it looks promising. I have a Vortex x Ace of Spades finishing now and it looks right.

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Alaskan Ice

Bought a new camera today, just a few quick pics to try it out:

SK:





CF:

Hey Shwag, thanks for the suggestion, will take the time to reply later

New camera is proving to be useful. Someone in our local dutch forums spotted male parts in my previous pics. After some investigation with scope and macro shots the guy turns out to have a very good eye:



Needless to say it's the SK1, the one I misted. It has 9 main tops, of which 4 have 1-4 male parts. Coincidentally - or not - the 4 branches around/on the spot where the TM misted branch was. So small I can't even remove them all yet. No signs of balls on the others. May have made her more sensitive with TM for my nighttime checks and photos...

Going to castrate them and keep a close eye on the buds for the next few days. Won't result in seeds I may mix up with the earlier deliberate pollination, but if it gets worse I'm going to harvest those buds early to avoid risking pollination of the CF. SK2 is nearly done, SK1 could probably use 10-14 more days...

Edit:... they look like seeds with scope... need zzzzleeep

Sativied said:

Hey Shwag, thanks for the suggestion, will take the time to reply later

New camera is proving to be useful. Someone in our local dutch forums spotted male parts in my previous pics. After some investigation with scope and macro shots the guy turns out to have a very good eye:

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Needless to say it's the SK1, the one I misted. It has 9 main tops, of which 4 have 1-4 male parts. Coincidentally - or not - the 4 branches around/on the spot where the TM misted branch was. So small I can't even remove them all yet. No signs of balls on the others. May have made her more sensitive with TM for my nighttime checks and photos...

Going to castrate them and keep a close eye on the buds for the next few days. Won't result in seeds I may mix up with the earlier deliberate pollination, but if it gets worse I'm going to harvest those buds early to avoid risking pollination of the CF. SK2 is nearly done, SK1 could probably use 10-14 more days...

Edit:... they look like seeds with scope... need zzzzleeep

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I wouldn't be too worried about those man. Most likely not seeds unless you've seen baws. Probably just a little swelling!

I love the new cam bro! Those shots are excellent and they're frosting right up!

Thanks man, really enjoying the camera, a Nikon D3200. My previous camera is roughly 10 years old, went from 4 megapixel to 24

I'm still not sure what those green swellings are. Cut off a piece last night, put it under scope, and it looks like empty seeds or calyx even. Maybe still some pollen floating around from the ones I pollinated weeks ago? Not too worried though, it's on 4-5 buds in the front so have easy access to check and operate if needed. It's only on the SK1 and only on the 4-5 buds close to the pollinated bud of SK2 and where the misted branch was which makes me believe it's related.

Frankly I'd be more surprised finding no seeds in buds than some, but it's still too early to tell (for me anyway...).


I'd surely try to make some SP beans if I had some. Sugary indeed, good strain for a hash bonus which I missed last round.

Vortex has an interesting lineage. I've considered other strains with Romulan in it (for the simple reason it's uncommon here). Thanks for the suggestion, seems like a good candidate to grow and smoke.

As for Alaskan Ice, I need to avoid anything with WW in it. It was the nr 1 strain on the dutch coffeeshops menus for many years. Smoked it too long too much to grow. Don't get me wrong, WW is good stuff, great yielder too, but as good as Alaska Ice may be, having WW as a parent is not an option for me.

Neither is anything from GHS and the self-proclaimed 'king of cannabis'... Not saying there's nothing good amongst their seeds, but it is the best example (of re-brand breeders) of the far opposite of the stuff I want to grow (true breeders). Many of the hybrids created nowadays, those from GHS, and Dinafem and many others, are merely feminized crosses of the strains that were once popular on our menus, and most go back to the same old IBLs you can find at Sensi seeds amongst others. Many of the hybrids today aren't even crosses of the real thing, they just want to fill their pockets based on those popular cannabis-cup-winning names (nearly 40 breeders claim to have the WW). It's that industry I want to avoid just for the sake of avoiding it.

Apart from that, and it not being regular seeds, that is definitely in the right direction though. If I had to describe what I want in 2 words it would be white haze... Clean (not too lemon-ish and less spicey than the SSH/Amnesia) and frosty. After going back in history some more the choice it became very obvious: NL#5xHaze.

For the sativa grow I'm going with the Panama (F6) from Ace seeds, a relatively short flowering strain in their bank. Love those purple/red hairs.

I'm with you on the WW. I've just had too much of it. AK is another one that I do grow for its insomnia uses but I never reach for it with the selection of I have available.

I actually like some of GHS's strains, I run a nice cut of SLH and its a proven winner. Lovely active and euphoric buzz and lemony cream sickle smell.... But I totally agree with their hype and marketing approach. The SPKoC took is a very smart business man.

I'm a big fan of color too, I'll be looking forward to the Panama. Love me some reds and purps.

I have some Romulan mix seeds that I haven't tried yet. I've always been interested in Romulan, maybe partially because I really liked Star Trek lol.

I'll be popping some SP feminized this winter and I'll see what I can do to get one of her cuttings to throw flowers with colloidal silver.

NL#5 x Haze sounds awesome. I love anything Haze for its frostiness/furriness and NL was one of my favorite strains to grow and smoke until I lost her. I had a great pheno of dense smaller nugz which was awesome trimming and had top to bottom nug production.

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AK is another one that I do grow for its insomnia uses but I never reach for it with the selection of I have available.

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I considered the White Russian (WWxAK47) to do a quantity round for a change. Smoked it a few times and is relaxing but it doesn't really get me high, just makes me quiet, sleeping awake. The type of mj you can smoke for a year and then wonder what happened to that year.

Yeah I'm sure GHS has some good strains. Feminizing seeds based on a selecting mothers is an easy way to create seeds that produce uniform and fairly predictable results, it would be odd if they didn't offer anything good. I'm not one of those GHS-haters, more like a frown-upon-er

Frankly I never heard of Romulan until this week when I started looking for something less typical. I should grow the Romulan itself some day before I try a hybrid.

Shwagbag said:

NL#5 x Haze sounds awesome. I love anything Haze for its frostiness/furriness and NL was one of my favorite strains to grow and smoke until I lost her.

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I'm excited about the NL#5 x Haze. I worked in a coffeeshop for about 18 months when I was 18 years old. The menu was Orange Bud, (Super) Skunk, Shiva, Northern Light, Hindu Kush, Haze and mostly Moroccan hash. No WW or Jack Herrer on the menu yet. No haze hybrids. Northern Light was too common for me to really appreciate and haze just didn't taste or look good back then. But while reading up on the history of those strains I noticed the obvious... nearly everything I smoked is still a mix of what I used to smoke as a kid (matter of speaking, well, not entirely ).

Even the popular SSH is an indirect result of selection out of 1000 NL#5xHaze plants (and hence so is the amnesia haze clone-only type one can find in many coffeeshops here, which is actually a SSH pheno and not Soma's AH). Just like the Mango Haze, Neville's Haze, and indirectly also Sannie's Sugar Punch with its popular SSH pheno. Same NL#5 and Haze are also involved in Jack Herrer. One of the reasons NL#5xHaze is often used for breeding purposes because it's easier than to start with the fluffier Original Haze with its 12-16 weeks flowering time, apart from getting the NL traits of course. Doesn't mean it's all bad or anything, some have made some decent and special strains with it, but it's all based on the same ol' gene pool. Homegrown tastes better than anything I bought, homemade soup tastes better than most commercial soup too, mixing your own fruit juice usually tastes better than something pre-mixed from a bottle right? Will homebred be any different? Let's find out.

So, going back to basics in one closet, and growing exotic sativas in a second closet. Needless to say I'll be making some crosses along the way.

CF3 (the weirdo that never got full green)


Same bud:


Kolossus:


CF2: still creating plenty of new white pistils. Same plant as stretcher in the back, which might get huge of it keeps up like this:

Sativied said:

I considered the White Russian (WWxAK47) to do a quantity round for a change. Smoked it a few times and is relaxing but it doesn't really get me high, just makes me quiet, sleeping awake. The type of mj you can smoke for a year and then wonder what happened to that year.

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lol. Major short term memory loss and definitely a hazy narcotic effect. I feel the same way when I smoke it. I just zone the eff out... But if I take an extra toke or two it will put me down. I rarely want to go to sleep so I of course really like sativas for that reason as well.

I will drop a SP tonight and see what I can do in a couple months.

Good luck with your selections, I'm impressed with your knowledge of genetics and diligent search for "the one".

GHS also has a WW x AK47 which they call Kalashnakova. Anything AK would def give you the quantity round to satisfy many of your benefactors. I do enjoy their grow videos.

Kalashnikova Grow Journal GHS

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I just zone the eff out...

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That's sums it up nicely

Their videos do look good, commercial quality in a positive way Unless I get some serious upgrades (industry-level dehumidifier for example) I don't think I'll be able to grow AK47 comfortably here. It's too humid in spring, summer and fall. Winter is usually best but even then it might be raining a lot around the last weeks of the cycle.

RH already went up to 67-75% this week when lights are off. Got to point fans at the buds to prevent getting paranoid. Below 40% when lights are on though, and fortunately it's getting cold outside already so I need to turn on the heating which will make a good difference humidity-wise.

And good luck with the SP!

SK1 (green) and SK2 (yellowing)


SK1:

you have a nitrogen build up there may want to flush your plants