MtRainDog
Well-Known Member
Oh I plan on making some hazey hybrid f1's for my own personal hunting. Could even almost recreate the SH... is Sensi's Early Pearl still the original genetics?
Sativied's Picture Journal
- Thread starter Sativied
- Start date
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Yeah you could. It’s just easier and faster to use SSH instead as it gives you haze in an indoor variety. Finding a suitable Original Haze takes a lot of time and space with far less chances of success. With success I mean a strong spicey haze that crosses well into a hybrid. Depends a bit on what you enjoy more, the growing or the bud, but original haze is huge, takes very long to finish, and produces relatively little weight. I’m cleaning up disks with older photo, I should have some OTH pics.
I don’t believe sensi has any of the parent plants they had in the 80s-90s. What I said in previous post, at best you get part of the gene pool, probably applies to all. What do you do when you no longer have the silver haze parents or run out of enough viable 30+ year old seeds… you either pop enough old seeds to get siblings of those parents or you recreate using same/similar varieties, or you use original silver haze to create F2, or maybe self an older clone for fem seeds. In no scenario you end up with the same, but in all cases it’s possible to end up with something great and close enough.
That all said, Early Pearl wasn’t one of the better in shops here. Silver Pearl was popular for a while though.
If you do use Original Haze and cross it with a stable indica I’d take it to F2 before doing the hunting.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Ace Seeds OTH (supposedly someone named Old Timer maintained some of the genepool of original haze by open pollination)
I never finished it entirely, had to make space. For some reason I chucked Silver Haze pollen on it, still got those seeds, as tiny as the calyxes on the haze.
I never finished it entirely, had to make space. For some reason I chucked Silver Haze pollen on it, still got those seeds, as tiny as the calyxes on the haze.
MtRainDog
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info! It echoes a lot that I've read over at i c m a g about working with hazes. I've read you have to go 11/13, and sometimes they flat refuse to finish indoors. Amazing plants though for sure. Haze is kind of the pinnacle of cannibas in my eyes because of the effects, and the breeding potential. One day perhaps...
For now I'm focusing my efforts on mom hunting. I've got a very capable grow m8 who does it for yield/quality. I'm just trying to put my eyeballs on as many as I can. I'll probably first dabble in chucking with the puck bx. Got lots of old school indicas/afghanis to cross it with
TheChemist77
Well-Known Member
I’ve had mostly good luck w mr.nice seeds, critical mass, shit, nl#5/haze all good, no luck w Ortega tho, probably my fault had the seeds for 3 or 4 years before planting and only ended up w 4 plants, 2 females just not what I was hoping for but again that was many years ago. Any thoughts on TH Seeds?
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Yeah I entirely agree. I sort of switched back to more indica dominant, often fancy named new varieties, after a decade of smoking mostly amnesia haze and ssh that was so abundant. Still prefer haze for daytime and creativity, love the smell of a good haze hybrid especially when I leave and re-enter the room or car.
I never grew anything from them myself and kinda out of the loop but I know they had a good reputation among (small) growers in NL. MK ultra was hot for a while long ago, smoked Darkstar too, haven’t seen them on the menu for at least a decade. I‘m always weary of those offering strawberry and banana flavor but really can’t comment on their newer stuff.
TheChemist77
Well-Known Member
Happy New Years!,,,,,
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Happy healthy new year!
I still had some doubts whether it was me, the low night temp, or more likely, the Bioquant nutes. As soon as I started adding a little H&G AB they perked up. Had only a little left of that and figured f it, I'll try the Bioquant by itself again. Sure enough, within 4-5 days some leaves started showing signs again.
Unlike N or Calcium deficiencies it's hard to recover the leaves and green up fully but got some Atami B'Cuzz hydro AB from nearest grow shop and yup, doing fine again. Almost 4 times as concentrated, comes down to using roughly 6 bucks on nutes for a round.
They are clearly transitioning slower than usual but we got flowers. Too many plants too cramped together which in combination with little attention for the past week except watering means they're fighting too much for space. Will have to cull a couple and strip a few branches from others.
PF1:
Silver haze x PCK… I’ll probably regret not killing it too make space for the other better producing varieties.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
The accidental topped still keeping up nicely.
Happy with the way the led is performing too atm. Running at 300w warm whites and 30watt red+blue.
Humidity still too high, this is normally cold and dry season but right now it’s more like authum, rainy.
Ah and one of the plants I suspected to be male turned out to be female, which kinda sucks cause I wanted its pollen. Might not make seeds this round.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Pic above (last one in previous post) is clearly leaning more to the red PCK parent than silver haze.
This one however is from a much bigger plant that will clearly need longer. It’s in the back and have to double check label. Should be SH x red PCK but looks like panama x pck. Created in same run, will be easy to identify later. Takes a while for the calyxes to take on their red color and looks like this one will look pretty awesome when done. Might be able to make F2.
P-F1, the type of leaves that look smokable… I created bho of these before, might just make some butter this time and make a classic cake.
As the panama parent, these pan x sh flowers have this spiked hairdo, longer pistils that want to go straight up. Good sign for bud structure as I’ll hopefully show in a few weeks. Leaves not as frosty as P but smells good. Sucks I can’t make (pan x sh) x P this run.
P F? bit of an odd duck, more compact.
This one however is from a much bigger plant that will clearly need longer. It’s in the back and have to double check label. Should be SH x red PCK but looks like panama x pck. Created in same run, will be easy to identify later. Takes a while for the calyxes to take on their red color and looks like this one will look pretty awesome when done. Might be able to make F2.
P-F1, the type of leaves that look smokable… I created bho of these before, might just make some butter this time and make a classic cake.
As the panama parent, these pan x sh flowers have this spiked hairdo, longer pistils that want to go straight up. Good sign for bud structure as I’ll hopefully show in a few weeks. Leaves not as frosty as P but smells good. Sucks I can’t make (pan x sh) x P this run.
P F? bit of an odd duck, more compact.
Ed Rosestale
Member
Ik have more than thousand questions but do not want to spam your thread. Can you hit me pm please?
TheChemist77
Well-Known Member
Plants look amazing, great crystallization….
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Thanks, considering the low temps at night (57-60f) I‘m happy with how they’re going. Still seems slower than usual. Also not happy with spread of my light as it’s created for square spaces not the current 2x4ft. Might rebuild it after this run.
Feel free to post here.
Ed Rosestale
Member
What has happened 7 years ago?
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Ok I think I found the bottom temp… switched to hps a couple of days ago cause things were getting too cold by night ‘and’ during the day. Low 50s during night, barely higher at root/lower level during the day. Although they stayed healthy there was zero progress. The hps (400-600-660watt, now at 400) raises temps to almost perfect during the day and warms up the closet long enough to keep it above 60f with barely any additional heating.
Definitely going to be my lowest yield ever. There are 3 PanamaxSH which still have plenty of flower time left to beef up. Not impressed by the frost on the leaves compared to previous PanxSH but as you can see they have a long way to go
This one, closest to air intake, (a P-F1) turned dark purple in barely 24 hours. Not uncommon for P-F1 regardless of medium and temps but I should have timelapsed this one.
Definitely going to be my lowest yield ever. There are 3 PanamaxSH which still have plenty of flower time left to beef up. Not impressed by the frost on the leaves compared to previous PanxSH but as you can see they have a long way to go
This one, closest to air intake, (a P-F1) turned dark purple in barely 24 hours. Not uncommon for P-F1 regardless of medium and temps but I should have timelapsed this one.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
SH x red PCK - from one clearly leaning towards PCK and thus extreme low yield. With a sativa landrace at least you get a lot. Might be fluffy/leafy and take long, but pck just isn’t worth growing. It’s as if this one is a child of the pck and the indica side of SH.
(phone photo)
Unfortunately when dry it’ll look like dark eggplant purple. Looks great on the plant, not so much in the bag.
This one however, clearly leans more towards the SH, looks a lot like a SH x pink PCK I’ve grown in the past.
Smells really good, strong incense/perfume hazy with earthy fruit tones. I simply can’t buy stuff like this in any shop. Super unstable when it comes to taste/smell, the pck and its hybrid offspring all have something unique, some good, some meh,
Panama x SH, the silver looks like glass.
Panama x SH, one that cleary has the structure from Panama, a structure I prefer, lots of stacked calyxes in rather separate sprouts. Low leaf to bud ratio, lower chance of rot (always a concern in rainy times).
Oh and no bad effects from switching to hps. I did keep it at a large distance and 400w the first couple of days. Now running at 600w for 8 of the 12 hours (rest on 400w), in 2x4 feet, which is plenty to keep it warm ’and’ have my extractor vent running at full power.
(phone photo)
Unfortunately when dry it’ll look like dark eggplant purple. Looks great on the plant, not so much in the bag.
This one however, clearly leans more towards the SH, looks a lot like a SH x pink PCK I’ve grown in the past.
Smells really good, strong incense/perfume hazy with earthy fruit tones. I simply can’t buy stuff like this in any shop. Super unstable when it comes to taste/smell, the pck and its hybrid offspring all have something unique, some good, some meh,
Panama x SH, the silver looks like glass.
Panama x SH, one that cleary has the structure from Panama, a structure I prefer, lots of stacked calyxes in rather separate sprouts. Low leaf to bud ratio, lower chance of rot (always a concern in rainy times).
Oh and no bad effects from switching to hps. I did keep it at a large distance and 400w the first couple of days. Now running at 600w for 8 of the 12 hours (rest on 400w), in 2x4 feet, which is plenty to keep it warm ’and’ have my extractor vent running at full power.
TheChemist77
Well-Known Member
How are the temps after lights out? Love the pics.