Oh believe me I've read this whole thing. And many others just like this. I've never done business with a seed bank, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I refuse to believe that the Attitude deliberately screws people. They may well have some really shoddy business practices, bad customer service, etc. But they maintain a pretty large chunk of the market. They did not get that with a "fuck 'em" mentality. These forums are too brutal for that to happen. I believe they need to tighten up on customer service & shipping practices but I do not believe they actually are a "scam".
As for them not breaking any laws, last I heard Marc Emory was perfectly legal there in Canada. Ask him what HE thinks. They are breaking laws and treaties by shipping here as well.
Bottom line here is, if you don't like Home Depot....go to Lowes.
Technically speaking Marc wasn't competely legal in Canada. But it's only a technicality as the laws he broke are NEVER enforced at any level, those same laws refer to paraphernalia which is openly sold everywhere in this damn country from gas stations to grocery stores.
It's just ridiculous he's still locked up when there are more seeds coming out of the USA in the last 5 years then out of Canada in the last 20.
As for the attitude they are a business, but they are still people, these threads are always started with a severely bad tone, if you can't even make a thread about it in a controlled manner then I would hate to see the emails sent to customer service. If you treat people in customer service bad you get no where, a lot of the time their managers will stand behind them. There is no reason to be rude with them WHEN YOU BROKE THE FUCKING LAW ORDERING THE PACKAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE it's part of the risk of making the order. Sorry for yelling but god damn man. These little I order 1 bean kids and bitch on a forum just need to be banned outright. People should have to start showing proof of their orders or something this is getting out of control. If you can't afford to lose a $10 bean then get guaranteed, if the guaranteed is more then your order you're doing it wrong. It's that simple.
I wish Attitude employees would log in here 1 time every 6 months and hit us with the best emails they get from people, heavily redacted of course to respect their privacy, I would just love to see what all these half wits say and expect to get results out of people who could extremely easily say "go fuck yourself"
edit : I'm 99% sure my order is snagged. It's been 3 weeks I emailed the 'tude they said hit us back if it's not their by the 25th. So I will tomorrow if it's not here. My beans are out of stock. We will see how it goes. They have always responded to my emails immediately and politely, I've never had to deal with their refunds so we'll see how that goes.