Scrog assistance

Yesyes3000

Yesyes3000

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Thank you so much ! I would have been way offf lol. So how does second one work ? I thought that a trellis and a scrog screen were different ? So do I want a trellis ? Or should I put another scrog screen up ? How do so many people have pics of just one scrog screen ? Do they always use two and then take it off later in flower ?
 
StareCase

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Yesyes3000 said:
… So how does second one work ? I thought that a trellis and a scrog screen were different ...
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They are different in their use. The lower net allows you to spread the branches laterally. You can weave and tuck the branches through the lower net to produce a flat canopy. That is the more important netting in a SCROG.

I agree with Sourpower - your lower net look like it's pretty well filled. If there is any tuck room left that we can't see from the pics, tuck whichever branches you can. The few branches that don't get tucked, go ahead and clip them off and use those for clones if you want to clone your strain. But you look like you are ready for 12/12.

The second net, about 18" - 24" above the first net, (it's strain and stretch dependent) simply supports the branches that are loaded with heavy bud in the final few weeks of flower and prevents them from falling over. Hence the moniker … There is no weaving or tucking when with a support trellis.
 
Therrion

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Knowing your strain is the trick. One of the many reasons why I clone is uniformity. You will see a lot of people flip when the screen is full in veg, but that's wrong IMO. You do that with sativa and you will have a mess. I like to flip at 50% for sativas and 75 for indicas. Most hybrids can be flipped somewhere in between. Many times, if you let the screen fill, by the time they have went through the stretch and started budding you will have really tall colas. They tend to be stretched out with buds that get looser as the light penetration diminishes. Id rather have short fat 8" to 12" tall buds. Hard as fucking rocks and all the way to the screen. A lot less trim as well. Here's a before and after the flip. I also use zip strips to strap to the net instead of tucking. My net is as tight as a piano wire so the plants don't push it up. Using zip strips is much easier from beginning until the end. If you don't like a bud being so close to another, you can just snip it and mover it over.
 

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StareCase

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Therrion said:
...You will see a lot of people flip when the screen is full in veg, but that's wrong IMO. You do that with sativa and you will have a mess ...
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That's a good looking grow Therrion. Do you have some issues getting to the plants at the back or is there enough room between your walls and the tubing?

And to your point, you are right - I do end up with some 20" branches. The first 1/2 of the branch is filled with nice frosty buds. The bottom 1/2 is usually small and shitty LARF. I always thought that small and shitty LARF was just part of the process.

I'm always interesting to see how others SCROG. You might have directed me to a method of reducing small and shitty LARF. Both of my strains are hybrids - one is 60/40 Sativa dominant and the other is 70/30 Indica dominant. Both strains stretch roughly 18" - 20".

So if I can paraphrase your method … you recommend flipping when my screen is a little over 50% filled. Week 1 through Week 3, continue to spread the plant so the stretch is more outwards as opposed to upwards. This allow more light to the entire branch because now the branches are about 9" - 10" in size?
 
StareCase

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Therrion said:
... Using zip strips is much easier from beginning until the end. If you don't like a bud being so close to another, you can just snip it and mover it over.
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Zip ties instead of weaving … cause once a branch is woven through, it ain't moving for either love or money. When you consider that you can get a 100 pack of 8" cable ties for like $5 … that's kind of a no brainer.
 
Therrion

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StareCase said:
That's a good looking grow Therrion. Do you have some issues getting to the plants at the back or is there enough room between your walls and the tubing?

And to your point, you are right - I do end up with some 20" branches. The first 1/2 of the branch is filled with nice frosty buds. The bottom 1/2 is usually small and shitty LARF. I always thought that small and shitty LARF was just part of the process.

I'm always interesting to see how others SCROG. You might have directed me to a method of reducing small and shitty LARF. Both of my strains are hybrids - one is 60/40 Sativa dominant and the other is 70/30 Indica dominant. Both strains stretch roughly 18" - 20".

So if I can paraphrase your method … you recommend flipping when my screen is a little over 50% filled. Week 1 through Week 3, continue to spread the plant so the stretch is more outwards as opposed to upwards. This allow more light to the entire branch because now the branches are about 9" - 10" in size?
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I have room in the back even though it's hard to see in the pic. What percentage you should fill is also relative to your screen height and area.
 
StareCase

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Therrion said:
… What percentage you should fill is also relative to your screen height and area ...
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I'll be chopping then moving from VEG into BLOOM tonight. So I'll play around with what percentage works best with these strains. Awesome … and thanks for the tips.
 
Yesyes3000

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I am going to post pics later of the scrog so far ! It’s looking good. I did do a tad bit of defoliation on top so the bud sites got more light. I didn’t want any stragglers. Was that ok you guys think ?

Also should I have a fan blowing underneath 24/7? That’s what I have been doing so far. I just got a better fan yesterday and it’s pretty strong
Thanks for everything so far! I’m really grateful
 
Yesyes3000

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StareCase said:
I'll be chopping then moving from VEG into BLOOM tonight. So I'll play around with what percentage works best with these strains. Awesome … and thanks for the tips.
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what’s the meaning behind your name starecase ?
I saw the name allofator which I believed to be a pun on elevator in a grow forum once
 
Yesyes3000

Yesyes3000

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StareCase said:
Zip ties instead of weaving … cause once a branch is woven through, it ain't moving for either love or money. When you consider that you can get a 100 pack of 8" cable ties for like $5 … that's kind of a no brainer.
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I’ve been useing little clips and zip ties. The zip ties are so freakin sweet. But I ran out and need to go buy more
 
StareCase

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Yesyes3000 said:
...what’s the meaning behind your name starecase ? ...
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A nickname affixed to me when I first started smokin' weed cause I would just stare into the distance and exist in my own little world for a few minutes while the THC did it's thing. After 33+ years, the staring into the distance is long gone but the nickname has stuck around.
 
Yesyes3000

Yesyes3000

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StareCase said:
They are different in their use. The lower net allows you to spread the branches laterally. You can weave and tuck the branches through the lower net to produce a flat canopy. That is the more important netting in a SCROG.

I agree with Sourpower - your lower net look like it's pretty well filled. If there is any tuck room left that we can't see from the pics, tuck whichever branches you can. The few branches that don't get tucked, go ahead and clip them off and use those for clones if you want to clone your strain. But you look like you are ready for 12/12.

The second net, about 18" - 24" above the first net, (it's strain and stretch dependent) simply supports the branches that are loaded with heavy bud in the final few weeks of flower and prevents them from falling over. Hence the moniker … There is no weaving or tucking when with a support trellis.
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Starecase I am day 15 of 12&12 today
 
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