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MrGrandaddy said:
Oh you woke up and dident get the pat on your head from your parental figure and are just looking to lash that out. It’s ok I’ll allow you to feel big today. But I’ll remind you that being able to understand is just as important as reading the words themselves. Clearly there is no research study that says what people get caught up in. I went from my experience. You have a different experience and that’s fine but the difference is your being a jerk about it as if you the smartest man or woman in the room when you dident even answer the initial question from the thread, in fact the most helpful thing you have said was too take clones.
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No I'm confused about the part where most people fall into the Co2 trap. It's OK you did, just learn and move on.
 
Blue brother

Blue brother

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I think you’re taking a lot of this to heart my friend, everyone’s just trying to help, you need to learn some fundamentals before you go prioritising something like co2,

yeah SOME people get caught up in trying to get the most and best, when in reality they just aren’t at that level, your temp/humidity/lighting/fertilisers need to be absolutely on point before co2 will make any difference.

Sacrificing the basics is not worth what co2 will give you. The air we breathe is full of co2, that is more than enough to sustain a plant in the condition yours is in. I doubt those plants are even coming close to depleting what co2 you’d get from fresh air.

as for the op question. In veg you can cut as much as you like off, as long as you leave some growth sites it will grow back, but I’d be tempted to just train the big plant through the net until the others catch up in height, then you can flip them at the same height. The environment you’re keeping will be the reason the plant hermies.
 
coreywebster

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MrGrandaddy said:
That whole answer right there, was very well delivered and received, like most people I got caught up in the hype over “give them co2 and they will triple in results” It would be great to get solid answers on how to give your plants the best and what to give them, im still trying to figure out which nutrients to even choose because there is so much back and forth. Some swearing by mega crop but then others say it’s clumpy and will clog your system, Athena is the “cleanest” but lacking, advanced is expensive for nothing, fox farm, etc etc.
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I'm a bottled nutrients guy so I go with canna or Dutch pro.
Because I'm in the UK most of the stuff you guys have available either isn't available to me or isn't cost effective.
Plus I tend to stick with what I know.

If you can find a simple base nutrient then that's all you really need

We all want great yields and great quality but the best thing anyone can do is keep things simple and healthy and the rest comes with experience, far more so than fancy labels and co2 .

Hope you have bountiful harvests
 
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MrGrandaddy

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Blue brother said:
I think you’re taking a lot of this to heart my friend, everyone’s just trying to help, you need to learn some fundamentals before you go prioritising something like co2,

yeah SOME people get caught up in trying to get the most and best, when in reality they just aren’t at that level, your temp/humidity/lighting/fertilisers need to be absolutely on point before co2 will make any difference.

Sacrificing the basics is not worth what co2 will give you. The air we breathe is full of co2, that is more than enough to sustain a plant in the condition yours is in. I doubt those plants are even coming close to depleting what co2 you’d get from fresh air.

as for the op question. In veg you can cut as much as you like off, as long as you leave some growth sites it will grow back, but I’d be tempted to just train the big plant through the net until the others catch up in height, then you can flip them at the same height. The environment you’re keeping will be the reason the plant hermies.
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I think you read the one reply to the one guy and went off that because you can see I even thank people in a few of my replies. That being said thank you as well, as you answered my question, and I SHARE in your temptations as I can see it’s more than able to grow fill the screen itself but I Really wanted to save the genetics of the two in the back and I assumed once the screen was filled that was it, There was no more light space so I dident think I could.
 
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MrGrandaddy

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coreywebster said:
I'm a bottled nutrients guy so I go with canna or Dutch pro.
Because I'm in the UK most of the stuff you guys have available either isn't available to me or isn't cost effective.
Plus I tend to stick with what I know.

If you can find a simple base nutrient then that's all you really need

We all want great yields and great quality but the best thing anyone can do is keep things simple and healthy and the rest comes with experience, far more so than fancy labels and co2 .

Hope you have bountiful harvests
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Thank you I hope the same for you. I’m also used to using bottled nutrients, used to using general hydroponics but I wanted to make a switch and am hearing that dry mix is more cost effective. So I’m leaning that way but still going to have to go through trial and error.
 
Hollatchaboy

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MrGrandaddy said:
Thank you I hope the same for you. I’m also used to using bottled nutrients, used to using general hydroponics but I wanted to make a switch and am hearing that dry mix is more cost effective. So I’m leaning that way but still going to have to go through trial and error.
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Maxibloom is good. So is jacks 321.
 
Drop That Sound

Drop That Sound

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Did you mix the hydroguard and h202 in the res together at the same time?


One time my exhaust fan ducting came loose from my hoods (happens to the best of us!), and maxed out the digital temp gauge in the room. Was probably 24 hours or so before I walked in. The water temp in the reserviors was warm like bath water. 100 degrees at least. I did what I could and cooled it down, but root rot set in quick, and was already dying off within a few days. Had a 4-5 month vegged plant too.. was going for a 3 lb'er, ready to flip that day. I actually managed to air layer clone 75 percent of the branches before they shriveled up, even though the roots were locked out and turned to mush. Started the year with massive outdoor clones at least.

Anyway, I can't imagine DWC plants surviving in that conditions for days, let alone the one day like that which wiped out my grow!

Like the other guys say, start venting, or get a decent mini split or something. I would suggest insulating your containers too, and maybe your 1/10th will keep up better.

Don't be afraid to bend branches over, and force the canopy into the net the way you want it. They can take a beating, but make sure to work the branch back and forth slowly at first, instead of cracking it right away. Try it before you just cut it all off anyway. I'll even bend them down and back up again if they get too tall. Like, way down and back up again, or my plants would be through the roof.

You could modify a grow tent enough to make it worthwhile for c02, if you really wanted. If I did, I would cut a slit in the fabric on one side, and mod a window AC unit by taking it apart & bending the evaporator coil out away from the unit, without kinking\cracking the copper lines and loosing all the refrigerent into the air. Then stick just the cold evaporator coil itself through the slit, right into the tent, while resting the AC on a platform at the same height on the outside. Then patch it up around the tubes. Add another fan in the tent that blows only through the coil, and cycles the cold air around, butjust inside the tent. Insulate the whole tent all the way around with foam panels. Probably "duct mod" the back of the AC where the condensor coil is too, with one more duct booster fan, to bring all the hot air out through a window, or somewhere other than in the room. Or, slide the tent and AC right up next to a window, making sure they match up as you install it..

There you go, Poor mans custom grow tent mini split.. Solving the problem of regular unmodified window ACs not being sealed, and wasting c02 that would normally leak through the little holes in the fan shroud that isn't being used anymore, while saving big bucks! ;)
 
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MrGrandaddy

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Drop That Sound said:
Did you mix the hydroguard and h202 in the res together at the same time?


One time my exhaust fan ducting came loose from my hoods (happens to the best of us!), and maxed out the digital temp gauge in the room. Was probably 24 hours or so before I walked in. The water temp in the reserviors was warm like bath water. 100 degrees at least. I did what I could and cooled it down, but root rot set in quick, and was already dying off within a few days. Had a 4-5 month vegged plant too.. was going for a 3 lb'er, ready to flip that day. I actually managed to air layer clone 75 percent of the branches before they shriveled up, even though the roots were locked out and turned to mush. Started the year with massive outdoor clones at least.

Anyway, I can't imagine DWC plants surviving in that conditions for days, let alone the one day like that which wiped out my grow!

Like the other guys say, start venting, or get a decent mini split or something. I would suggest insulating your containers too, and maybe your 1/10th will keep up better.

Don't be afraid to bend branches over, and force the canopy into the net the way you want it. They can take a beating, but make sure to work the branch back and forth slowly at first, instead of cracking it right away. Try it before you just cut it all off anyway. I'll even bend them down and back up again if they get too tall. Like, way down and back up again, or my plants would be through the roof.

You could modify a grow tent enough to make it worthwhile for c02, if you really wanted. If I did, I would cut a slit in the fabric on one side, and mod a window AC unit by taking it apart & bending the evaporator coil out away from the unit, without kinking\cracking the copper lines and loosing all the refrigerent into the air. Then stick just the cold evaporator coil itself through the slit, right into the tent, while resting the AC on a platform at the same height on the outside. Then patch it up around the tubes. Add another fan in the tent that blows only through the coil, and cycles the cold air around, butjust inside the tent. Insulate the whole tent all the way around with foam panels. Probably "duct mod" the back of the AC where the condensor coil is too, with one more duct booster fan, to bring all the hot air out through a window, or somewhere other than in the room. Or, slide the tent and AC right up next to a window, making sure they match up as you install it..

There you go, Poor mans custom grow tent mini split.. Solving the problem of regular unmodified window ACs not being sealed, and wasting c02 that would normally leak through the little holes in the fan shroud that isn't being used anymore, while saving big bucks! ;)
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Oh mannn I’m so sorry to hear that, I’m sure it broke your spirit to come in and see that. And your right root rot did set in but not horribly, only enough that it just started to be noticeable, I discovered it after I was having a few drinks and I was listening to the slurping of the pump for the waterfalls and I’m thinking damnnn I really need to get more water. I go and look and I’m like shit well at least the water temps finally down…. When it dawns on me….. if no water is pumping… how is it cool????? I go and touch the water inside and lord have mercy like you said BATH WATER. That’s when I put in ice, hydro guard on the roots directly that we’re getting root rot and hydro guard in the reservoir. They have since recovered.

I want a mini split so bad I know it would solve a large degree of my problems. That lil 1/10 would certainly work better. I HAVE insulated the buckets with that in mind and that worked for a while but as the heat grew the condensation still came through even on those. You should see the lake I walk into every day. The dehumidifier is the only thing keeping it from raining :cry:

So! My only problem with that is I came to the same conclusion but differently I bent them 2 stems under a the same square to keep them from getting to big, but now it’s sooo thick I fear I’ve defeated the purpose of scrogging in the first place

that…. That I haven’t even remotely thought ofand won’t pretend to that’s a GREAT idea and I have a window ac in the basement just sitting around. I will do my best to follow your instructions andgive that a try thats very innovative God willing I don’t mess that up. Thank you so much for taking the time to help give me that suggestion you may have been the key to saving my environment:D
 
Drop That Sound

Drop That Sound

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Here's an example picture, of a guy that was turning a window AC into a water chiller, by bending the the condenser coil & copper lines out and then downwards. That way he can plunk it directly into a cooler\tub with water or glycol mix.

Many people have turned window ac and dehumidifiers both into hydroponic chillers, but I don't recommend dunking the aluminum and copper with solder into a res, because it can leach contaminants. There's a work around though if your ever interested. Using a stainless wort chiller coil with an extra pump, added to the chiller res.

Anyway, You wouldn't be bending it down that far and twisting to a different angle though like in the pic, or for turning into chiller.. just straight out like opening a door, and enough to slip through a slice in the tent that can be sealed back up..

Then strap another fan onto it, and its just like having a mini split air handler right in your tent, minus the rest of the unit. If you were to install the unit as is, through a large opening like the size of the window, but in the tent fabric instead, as its normally designed to work, it will mix some outside air from inside, and you'll waste a lot of c02.




It easy to bend the evaporator coil out wrong, and crack the line on the window units, so be careful if you try it. Then, your pretty much screwed, unless you got an hvac guy, lol. The brands and models are different too, some have the tubing on the opposite side. I would read up good on it before you attempt anything. Make sure it looks like it will work.

If you do have an hvac buddy that could work on it, you can actually extend the copper lines on window ACs with more tubing, reconnect them, recharge again. You could probably split the unit at least 10 feet or more apart i'm guessing, without affecting the compressor or anything too much to function properly.

Like these:


 
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MrGrandaddy

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Yea you are not wrong that would be a far more cost effective option, the prices for a mini split are crazy at best so I’m very thankful for this information and the videos to go with it I’m gonna try my hand at it this weekend and pray I don’t mess it up . You seem to have a wealth of knowledge I can only imagine how intricate your grow room must be love to see .
 
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