SCROG OFF!! New school vs old school. Sealed rooms- 12 plants.

legallyflying said:

Yeah. The shops can make or break you. Hard to get solid advice at times. A hydro owner that I trust steered me towards botanicare with limited suplements and I have been really happy. He told me that over the last 7 years he tried them all and always came back to botanicare.

Frogster, I'm excited to see what this big change is. It's not real light bulbs is it?

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I asked my guy about botanicare, he had nothing but nice things too say as well. He did say that the sweet is was expensive. I actually used botanicare when I grew in soil it was pretty solid and inexpensive stuff.

Do you use the sweet, is it worth that hefty price tag?

JimBro said:

Apparently, legallyflying didn't see Amendment 14 to Paragraph C of page 4 ratified by me and the dude in my avatar that clearly states that since this is Frogster's first grow, he can change up anything he wants because, honestly, he's going to end up like that guy in my avatar if he doesn't. Don't take offense, though, Froggy, because this is coming from a tool holding a bear cub and a cat that threw two regular seeds in a DWC scrog only to find out two months later they were both dudes...and then grew out another one that is starting to look a little boyish. If Jack Herer weren't already dead, I'd kill him. Too soon for JH jokes?

Nutrients are one aspect of growing I have neglected to study so far. I don't have an EC meter, so I have just been using RO water and the Lucas formula with 'GH schwag'. I'm assuming you advise against that, Legal (or Frog, or Atheist)? I guess I gotta step up my game at some point, eh?

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Ohh yea, dont u wanna grow pounds.

frogster said:

OK, I will spill the beanz, I am working on separating my room, and using 2000watts over the scrog for 12hrs, then the lights go over the supercropped girls for 12hrs.... I have the venting, light seperation and the control box figured out.. Just wondering about the light rail being turned to move the lights, prob. just move the lights manually everyday.... The extra yield should be worth the hassle for now....

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Thats actually a great idea, the only part that makes me nervous is the constant moving u are just asking for a accidental drop of the light.

jimbizzzale67123 said:

Ohh yea, dont u wanna grow pounds.

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At this point, I will be happy with one single female bud. Werd.

I would think that light blockage would be the difficult part. You could easily set something like I have, but instead of having the light move back and forth from room to room on the garage track. Light rail, digital electric timer set for two minutes of on. Turns on, rail moves to other side, pauses and then is powered off.

Easy peezy

by the way, Frog, how is that chicken wire working? Is it becoming a pain or do you think it will work?

No problems with the wire Jimbro.... Just really not sure when to stop stuffing and weaving back under it... Lots of budsites in the middle... i just want to get a few more on the ends.. Im working everything that way. Changing up the the lights right now, although great for yield, just sounds like too much of a pain in the ass to deal with, regardless of the extra yield... This setup will be taken down&sold after this grow, I plan on having a huge basement for my next grow... hydro Verticle stadium sog... The only way to grow. With correct bulbs of course...

in regards tot eh botanicare sweet, I dont't use it, the same hydro guy steered me towards fllorunectar as it has three different sources of sugar in it as opposed tothe one that sweet has in it.He also waved me off from hydroplex saying that it wasn't necessary. Right now
I'm really trying to figure out what kind of sugars to use for foliar feeding and their concentrations. I really like liquid light and it sure seems that it is carbo loaded but the ingredients are a compete mystery. Started spraying liquid karma at the suggested dilution, too early to tell but I will start a regular regime soon. Some kind of sugar, fulvic acid, and a hormone or two would be great as well towards the end of flower.

Jimbro...dude, you NEED to buy a ec meter. Your driving blindfolded growing in hydro without one.

going vertical, eh...there's another thread I'd subscribe to - Hori ScrOG vs. Vert SOG...there's some good Vert pros and cons brought up in this Urban Garden article...huge basement seems ideal...unfortunately, as you know, ain't no basements in Texas

legallyflying said:

Jimbro...dude, you NEED to buy a ec meter. Your driving blindfolded growing in hydro without one.

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Agreed. I put it off while building the cab and learning the basics. Time to nut-up.

frog, you may give that urban gardner artiel a read. I thought a vertical SOG was such a killer idea but after reading that article,it really does sound like a difficult pain in the ass. Sooo many tings to go wrong..with just a tiny bit more yield.

Not for me my friend. In regards too your SCROG, you REALLY ought to let them go by now. And I mean REALLY. They are going to stop stretching soon and all those bud sites that your drooling over...they are not going to get shit for light and grow up into the tiny holes if the buds do get big and its going to be a trainwreck.

Noway to know for sure as I'm not standing there, just my 2 cents.

Let them go I will then, thx... The other areas that don't have many budsites will fill in, I can see budsites stretching and getting close to the screen... As far as stadium sog goes, i suppose if you have plenty of space, why bother with the stadium part , sog in a flood&drain table...... Lumen per lemen though, I believe stadium verticle sog is most gram per watt, have you read Heath Robinsons grow? pretty damn amazing. I have plenty of time to figure out my next operation... Im hoping to have a few working models of my new lighting system to test out by then... I plan on sending a few out to you guys to grow with it and do a journal...

I dunno dude, read that article. Something about generating 80 clones at once and then having them all establish at the same rate and grow at the same rate to really make the stadium grow work just seems troublesome. The stadium shelf grows look legit but the vertical coliseum grows.. Uggh.

Don't be seduced by the whole gram/watt thing. People like to tech out and all but you'll never find many commercial growers that employ such laborious and tedious methods. Simple, healthy, effective

Hey LF, I dunno how the fuck I missed this but damn bro, send me a PM next time! I wanna watch this!

Catching up on the thread right now...LF your light mover seems sick. You've got tons of light bro. I'm gonna revamp everything in my room before next cycle as well. Learned tons already from this first noob grow, next cycle will be hopefully semi-pro!

This thread wins...good to see that friendly "competition" and smack talking are still alive!

legallyflying said:

in regards tot eh botanicare sweet, I dont't use it, the same hydro guy steered me towards fllorunectar as it has three different sources of sugar in it as opposed tothe one that sweet has in it.He also waved me off from hydroplex saying that it wasn't necessary. Right now
I'm really trying to figure out what kind of sugars to use for foliar feeding and their concentrations. I really like liquid light and it sure seems that it is carbo loaded but the ingredients are a compete mystery. Started spraying liquid karma at the suggested dilution, too early to tell but I will start a regular regime soon. Some kind of sugar, fulvic acid, and a hormone or two would be great as well towards the end of flower.

Jimbro...dude, you NEED to buy a ec meter. Your driving blindfolded growing in hydro without one.

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I used Earth Juice catalyst in the past because it is very resonabley priced, I will look into that floraunectar ummm three different suggers the girls should love that.

Jimbro get yourself a cheap hanna PPM meter off ebay or eseasongear.com they are cheap and will work great for a year u can use that untill u get a good one thats what I am doing.

This is what i got a lot of other growers use it too, its the hanna primo u can get it for 15.00 on ebay just make sure to get a bottle of calibrating solution along with it u will want to calibrate probably once a month. Recently at my hydro store the guy said I should be calibrating my pH meter at least once a week. He was right I went home and checked it the thing was .2 off and I had calibrated a few weeks before that. Im not sure how ofton to callibrate the PPM meter really I just use it too get a ball park figure.

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OK just caught up to this bitch. Subbed and +REP to all of you! One love. LF is very knowledgable guys, he's helped me a ton...frog I'd listen to what he says..

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xivex said:

OK just caught up to this bitch. Subbed and +REP to all of you! One love. LF is very knowledgable guys, he's helped me a ton...frog I'd listen to what he says..

Just my $0.02..



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True that, Legally definitely was there to help me with my first hydro grow.

Ahh, just off th ephone with the Humboldt guys,,, Thorough explanation why the ppm reading is so low... Less inert salts than other brands... I did run across a couple of grows that the plants couldnt handle more than 600ppm without burning up... Im sitting at 850ppm total right now (200+ppm left over from previous nutes in buckets) the ppm crawled up 10ppm from last nights 12hr cycle.. so perhaps these nutes are way stronger at a lower ppm rate.. I found the Humboldts 1/2 price at bghydro online.... so , im going to try to stick it out... The floranova is strong, i could visibly see the salt build up from them, and I dont think my bennies liked them,,, Im pretty sure the high salts were killing my bennies off.. I had ph always swinging up, pretty sure from the bennies dying and being eaten up in the system... . Time will tell... Jim, Ive heard nothing but good things from the Earth juice products ... Oh trust me, , Im listening&watching legal,,, but this thread still requires a certain amount of smack talk...subsection 4 article b.. "At anytime , either contestant may say anything, regardless if its comprehensible to others intellect" with that being said, I still plan on out weighing him per watt...

Thanks for the info, Atheist. I went with the Hanna Combo pen and it should be here tomorrow. Got the calibration crap too, so I should be good to go.

Glad you found the thread, Xivex. It's been a good one so far and I can't wait to see the end result. Speaking of which, I think it's about time for some progress photos? And I gotta check out your LSD grow. I think that one's gonna be on deck for me.

I'll look into those nutes, Frog. I need to study overall nute philosophy, though. That sounds gay, but I don't really know what PPM is good or what it says about what shit is needed. But I'm definitely in the right place to learn all that doodoo. Especially now that I got a feel for who's fool of crap and who ain't.