SCROG OFF!! New school vs old school. Sealed rooms- 12 plants.

Well, nutes are a hot topic.. everyone has an opinion... I went with the humboldts for particular reasons... Your system and setup may do better with another line of nutes... Find a grow journal that is similar to your and copy it, you should receive similar results. I just received this PM from another member on rollitup that uses Humboldts. "I follow the ml/p gallon exactly and am getting fantastic results. Stick with it man! When you get your first harvest and everything turns out top shelf, then you'll love it.

You should really use the flavorful and hum-bolt (at least the flavorful). It'll help with nutrient uptake a lot. With those added the ppms are pretty right on the money in my experience.

I've been using a modified version of the humboldt nuts line for a few years now and unless something else goes wrong I get top shelf bud every time. (I don't use big up powder or their carbs though, I sub MOAB and bud candy there)

Flavorfull is going to increase nutrient uptake? Via what mechanism? At any rate, I'm sooo over the nutrient debate. Organic nutes can and do produce good product. I wouldn't advise anyone to follow another grow journal though; or at least be really cautious. I learned that lesson the hard way.

Via Humic&Fulvic&URIC acid ... Im getting enough humic and fulvic through my microbial tea,,, cheap as hell too! I get the Uric just pissing in my rez,,, Son cught me pissing in a gallon jug one day, thought it was funny till I asked him to top it off... .. Heres a little something about EWC and the benefits they provide in your grow.. compliments of thos fine link: http://www.tastefulgarden.com/wormcastings.htm What Are Worm Castings?
Worm Castings contain a highly active biological mixture of bacteria, enzymes, remnants of plant matter and animal manure, as well as earthworm cocoons (while damp). The castings are rich in water-soluble plant nutrients, and contain more than 50% more humus than what is normally found in topsoil.
Worm Castings are packed with minerals that are essential for plant growth, such as concentrated nitrates, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium and calcium. It also contains manganese, copper, zinc, cobalt, borax, iron, carbon and nitrogen. However, the best of all is that these minerals are immediately available to the plant, without the risk of ever burning the plant. Remember that animal manure and chemical fertilizers have to be broken down in the soil before the plant can absorb them.
As the organic matter moves through the alimentary canal of the earthworm, a thin layer of oil is deposited on the castings. This layer erodes over a period of 2 months. So although the plant nutrients are immediately available, they are slowly released to last longer. The

cocoons in Worm Castings each contain between 2 and 10 eggs that hatch within 2 weeks. This means that the process of decomposition are continued by the young earthworms in the soil, provided that the soil is loose, damp and rich enough in organic matter for the worms to stay alive.
The bacteria in the alimentary canal of the earthworm transforms organic waste to natural fertilizer. The chemical changes that the organic wastes undergo include deodorizing and neutralizing. This means that the pH of the castings is 7 (neutral) and the castings are odorless (they smell like a forest after rain). The worm castings also contain the bacteria, so the process is continued in the soil, and microbiological activity is promoted.
What can Worm Castings be used for?
Worm Castings can be used as an ingredient of potting soil (as plant nutrients) for plants in and around the house. It can also be used as a planting additive for trees, vegetables, shrubs and flowers. When used as mulching material, Worm Castings will ensure that the minerals are absorbed directly into the soil when it is watered. Because Worm Castings will never burn plants, you can use as much of it as you like.
1. The humus in the worm castings extracts toxins and harmful fungi and bacteria from the soil. Worm Castings therefore have the ability to fight off plant diseases.
2. The worm castings have the ability to fix heavy metals in organic waste. This prevents plants from absorbing more of these chemical compounds than they need. These compounds can then be released later when the plants need them.
3. Worm Castings act as a barrier to help plants grow in soil where the pH levels are too high or too low. They prevent extreme pH levels from making it impossible for plants to absorb nutrients from the soil.
4. The humic acid in Worm Castings stimulate plant growth, even in very low concentrations. The humic acid is in an ionically distributed state in which it can easily be absorbed by the plant, over and above any normal mineral nutrients. Humic acid also stimulates the development of micro flora populations in the soil.
5. Worm Castings increase the ability of soil to retain water. The worm castings form aggregates, which are mineral clusters that combine in such a way that they can withstand water erosion and compaction, and also increase water retention.
6. Worm Castings reduce the acid-forming carbon in the soil, and increase the nitrogen levels in a state that the plant can easily use. Organic plant wastes usually have a carbon-nitrogen ratio of more than 20 to 1. Because of this ratio, the nitrogen is unavailable to plants, and the soil around the organic waste becomes acidic.
Recommendations and Quotes about Worm Castings
"Worm Castings outperform any commercial fertilizer I know of. The key factor is microbial activity. Research that I and others have done shows that microbial activity in worm castings is 10 to 20 times higher than in the soil and the organic matter that the worm ingests..."
"Earthworm castings are the best imaginable potting soil for greenhouses or house plants, as well as gardening and farming. It will not burn even the most delicate plants and all nutrients are water-soluble, making it an immediate plant food. The effect of earthworm castings used in any of these ways is immediately visible. They make plants grow fast and strong."
"Castings contain 5 times the available nitrogen, 7 times the available potash and 1 ½ times more calcium than that found in 12" of topsoil. Therefore, castings are supplied with available nutrients. The nutrients are also water-soluble and immediately available to the plant. You will find that most potting soils have a nutrient life for 2 to 5 days, where worm castings will last up to 6 times as long. You will need 5 times as much potting soil to do the same job as worm castings. So in the long run, worm castings are much cheaper and do a much better job. Also, castings hold 2 to 3 times their weight in water. That means you water less and the pot will stay damper for a longer period. Worm castings will not burn your plants; unlike using any fresh raw manure (cow, horse, etc.) which can burn root systems if not applied properly. . . . The manure passes through the worms' digestive system producing rich organic plant food and a slow releasing fertilizer which allows for better growth."
How to use Worm Castings:
For Germination
Use 20 to 30% Worm Castings with sand as an excellent germination mixture. It will also ensure continuous and lush growth for about three months, without you having to add any other plant food.
As a Soil Conditioner
If you hoe a layer of barren soil, add a layer of Worm Castings and give it some water, you will be surprised at the growth of your first season's plants.
As a Fertilizer
Sprinkle Worm Castings around the base of plants or lightly dig it in, and then add water. They can also be sprinkled on a large scale with a spreader. Remember: you cannot use too much Worm Castings – it cannot damage your plants.
As a Liquid Fertilizer
Worm Castings can easily be mixed with water. Use 1 cup Worm Castings for every gallon of water and wait 1 week. This liquid mixture can be used as an excellent fertilizer or leaf foliate spray. It also helps to control insects. Many people prefer this method of application.
We have known for hundreds of years that earthworms are the best way to improve plant growth and to increase plant yield, such as fruit. Earthworm castings are a wonder product of nature. So if you care about your soil, and your plants, then now is the time to get rid of your Miracle Gro and to use this 100% natural product.
How castings are grown and harvested...

Large wooden boxes are kept in a greenhouse with low light conditions and moist warm air. The boxes are filled with manure, cottonmeal, peatmoss and other natural products and then worms are added.

As the worms eat their way through this material, they digest it and it breaks down and becomes worm castings. The worms are carefully separated out and the castings are bagged up for you. Many times worms leave tiny eggs in the castings which later hatch and become great worms for your garden to continue their work! I bet these bitches dont hatch in my rez,,, if they do they better develop gills quickly!

legallyflying said:

Flavorfull is going to increase nutrient uptake? Via what mechanism?

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via mainlining. It's an advanced technique and quite time consuming.

lol, hay, i got 2 grams of bubba kush on the fly master. stick and move fly stick and move,

Fulvic acids rock but that whole article never said anything about increased nutrient uptake. Just because nutrients are available doesn't mean they going to be absorbed.

It's my understanding that earth worm casings are mostly used in soil, primarily for the reasons listed.. Transformation of nutrients into forms that can be absorbed by the plant. Hydro nutes are already in absorbable forms.

Damn jimbro, thats funny as crap... Im using a tea comprised of EWC,, the fulvic and humic acids are being introduced from the ewc into the water,, just not sure how much.... I put ewc in a sock add my bennies and molasses and percolate for 48hrs... I save money by not dumping products like great white directly into the rez,,, Im thinking of using a fulvic supplement just to make sure I have enough... I found all the nutes online way cheaper than the hydro store... (bchydro online)

JimBro said:

Thanks for the info, Atheist. I went with the Hanna Combo pen and it should be here tomorrow. Got the calibration crap too, so I should be good to go.

Glad you found the thread, Xivex. It's been a good one so far and I can't wait to see the end result. Speaking of which, I think it's about time for some progress photos? And I gotta check out your LSD grow. I think that one's gonna be on deck for me.

I'll look into those nutes, Frog. I need to study overall nute philosophy, though. That sounds gay, but I don't really know what PPM is good or what it says about what shit is needed. But I'm definitely in the right place to learn all that doodoo. Especially now that I got a feel for who's fool of crap and who ain't.

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Lol I am not even atheist, I'm anti-theist that picture is just funny because to an extent it is true.

calibration crap... I bought the gh calibration crap also,,, I swear its just mouthwash, minty smell,,, Im going to get a gallon of scope or listerene and check its ph,,, way cheaper!!! I will take a few pics when lights come on soon...

DAmn, I was over at uncle bens thread,,, noob first question, too damn funny....
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That's funny - nice answer, frog. And I'm sure there's cheap alternatives to the cal fluid also. I bet listerine is pretty damn acidic.

And I just used atheist because I didn't know how to shorten your SN. Jim would confuse myself, biz or bizzz, maybe ale or zale, or 67123...fuck it - atheist. That was the thought process there. I can't even see what the punch line reads on your pic.

Having issues with thw supercropped side.. again! Im so frustrated with that strain,,, And nutes! You can see the "CLAW" ! near the beer bottle.. I was watering 4x during the lights on cycle... I cut back to three and lowered my ppm and ph... This may be from the previous nutes? Im not sure how long this takes to show up...

Oh boy! what is this sucker! Too much light? It was close , but I found a smaller leaf a smaller leaf in the middle of one plant also... Update.. crap. I m getting the claw and twisting on the plants.. not sure if its from the new nutes , or from the other nutes before the change out...Im going to lower the ppm a little and drop the ph .... shit seems to be happening fast! Amnother update... Looks like a Calcium deficiency on the lower leaves of the super cropped gals.... UGGHH.... Damn I hate nutrients....

Lookin good guys

frogster said:

calibration crap... I bought the gh calibration crap also,,, I swear its just mouthwash, minty smell,,, Im going to get a gallon of scope or listerene and check its ph,,, way cheaper!!! I will take a few pics when lights come on soon...

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LOl I guess that will work if listerine has a set calibration U will always know what to set it at. But my calibration liquid is 7.01 so when I calibrate it I set it to 7.01 but if u get it set it too 7.01 then test listerine and know that listerine is a constant number a little math will get u where u need too be.

JimBro said:

That's funny - nice answer, frog. And I'm sure there's cheap alternatives to the cal fluid also. I bet listerine is pretty damn acidic.

And I just used atheist because I didn't know how to shorten your SN. Jim would confuse myself, biz or bizzz, maybe ale or zale, or 67123...fuck it - atheist. That was the thought process there. I can't even see what the punch line reads on your pic.

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we can stick with atheist.

JimBro said:

That's funny - nice answer, frog. And I'm sure there's cheap alternatives to the cal fluid also. I bet listerine is pretty damn acidic.

And I just used atheist because I didn't know how to shorten your SN. Jim would confuse myself, biz or bizzz, maybe ale or zale, or 67123...fuck it - atheist. That was the thought process there. I can't even see what the punch line reads on your pic.

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^^^Yeah, I found that pic online after I posted. Funny. But, together with the Christianity one, friggin' priceless. That picture of Bush in the middle is awesome.

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Oh boy! what is this sucker! Too much light? It was close , but I found a smaller leaf a smaller leaf in the middle of one plant also... Update.. crap. I m getting the claw and twisting on the plants.. not sure if its from the new nutes , or from the other nutes before the change out...Im going to lower the ppm a little and drop the ph .... shit seems to be happening fast! Amnother update... Looks like a Calcium deficiency on the lower leaves of the super cropped gals.... UGGHH.... Damn I hate nutrients....

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This is one of the many reasons I stopped growing in soil. So many problems seem too pop up in soil grows and I could never ever figure out or correct what the issue was.

Could be K deficiency or maybe over fert I am not too sure.

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^^^Yeah, I found that pic online after I posted. Funny. But, together with the Christianity one, friggin' priceless. That picture of Bush in the middle is awesome.

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I like the look on Jessica Simpson's face, its like wow here brain has left the building permanently.