SCROG OFF!! New school vs old school. Sealed rooms- 12 plants.

legallyflying

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Damn dude, that is all the root growth you have? This shit is in the bag. :) I might even just lock the door, stop feeding, and come back in 5 weeks to see what happened.

Seriously though.. ugghh dude. I don't know where to begin...
 

legallyflying

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Pictures for my man xivex and the rest of those that subbed up. Going to be looking really nice in a couple more weeks...

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frogster

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Yea,,, I dont think those roots have grown for a month... So, these pics explain the ph swings and the deficiencies... Thought I had these issues resolved..... I just poured 6000ml h202 into 20gal of water and poured it straight into my control box... took out everything in the res and drained it.. going to pump the h202 treated filled buckets into the res after an hr or two,,, and let it set in the res a bit, then drain that out and flush everything.. This wouldn't be so bad except my water line is frozen solid and I am flushing and carrying 10gallons of water at a time from my tub,, fun, fun! lol.(and I broke a rib a couple weeks ago).. Ahh, being a noob... Its sucks to see the mistakes after you make them... Your plants are banging... Looking primo.. I may have to start showing pics of someone elses grow from now on... I really cant believe my roots look so piss poor... Well, Better get back to it if I at least want to keep them alive and finish with a harvest of some sorts... .. No sleep tonight...
 

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frogster

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Ok, what should have been an hours work, lasted all night...everything sanitized. Nothing like toting 10gallons at a time... I flushed with 80 gallons through the buckets and drained through the rez...then filled.. .. set the ppm at 200.. ... .. Hope the ladies appreciate it...
 

Danielsgb

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OK, what should have been an hours work, lasted all night...everything sanitized. Nothing like toting 10gallons at a time... I flushed with 80 gallons through the buckets and drained through the rez...then filled.. .. set the ppm at 200.. ... .. Hope the ladies appreciate it...
Wow that makes me feel better about the 25 gal. I carried around Sunday.
I use RiddleMe's Make it Rain technique, which he describes as hydro in soil. I have semi-wood from that list of meters, mainly the one for PAR. I hope you got everything dialed in now.:-P
You guy's shit talking is hilarious.:weed:
Daniels:bigjoint:
 

Icky

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Hey legal

Just finished reading both your other diary and this, end to end, really great read looking forward to seeing some results, should be a bumper one

My interest in your set-up stems from the fact I'm starting a pretty similar set-up soon, 2x600HPS,1x600MH, 5x10x8 room, sealed with ducted lights, 8000 BTU window ac unit, CO2 (tank with sensor) and dehu, all controlled by a Harvest Master Pro and running an 8 pot RDWC set-up in a scrog

You can probably see the parallels between the set-ups, and you've definitely had some success (!) so I was wondering what insights you could give me into ideal temps and humidity levels with the CO2?

You run humidity high during veg, lower during flower and then cut co2, temps and humidity all down extra far for the last couple weeks of flower as far as I can tell - is that about right?

I have grown some stuff in the past, but until now never in a sealed room, looking forward!.. hope I can get these clones asap!

Really appreciate it bro, hope you don't mind me asking on the thread, pics are looking ridic, love the way those fan leaves just stand to attention :D


EDIT: Ah jeeze, I just read the 'don't post' thing.. sorry guys.. mods can delete...
 

xivex

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LF,

Those pics are sick mate!! :). Awesome. The canopy is so even and smooth im totally jealous! Cant wait to get my clones and start round 2 soon!

Keep it up guys, this thread = win!
 

frogster

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Yea... had 2hr nap this a.m. Have buisness for 2 days up north... left written instructions with my son... Oh boy! This may do them in! lol.. No he's really good ... Did a half fill and used standard gh micro nutes and added a little ginourmous (p-k) to get an even mix... running 240ppm... we'll see when I get back... Do another rez change... see ya guys...
 

legallyflying

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Hey legal

You can probably see the parallels between the set-ups, and you've definitely had some success (!) so I was wondering what insights you could give me into ideal temps and humidity levels with the CO2?

You run humidity high during veg, lower during flower and then cut co2, temps and humidity all down extra far for the last couple weeks of flower as far as I can tell - is that about right?
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That's about the jist of it. I let the humidity range from 60-75 during veg, I pretty much leave it alone. Temps during veg can also climb to 90 as long as your lights are not too close. In flower I drop the humidity down to 40, or at least try to as I need to get a better dehumidifier. I would even go down to say 35% humidity in flower as the dry conditions will stimulate oil production (as the theory goes anyway) but low humidity and high temps can cause stomata to close). Temps during flower I like to keep around 85-87 although sometimes it climbs a LITTLE higher. Co2 levels are... 1st week of veg (rooted clones) 700, 2-5 weeks and the first week of flip I like to keep around 1000-1100. Week 2-6 is when I crank it up to 1500. This round I waited until the 3rd week of flower to hit them with 1500. I think the biggest thing that people ignore is the night time temperatures. You want to keep nighttime temps within 5-7 degrees of daytime. Especially in veg as it will keep the plants compact. During the last two weeks of flower I run Co2 at around 600 and let nightime temps plummet. I am thinking about letting outside air in at night to get the room into the 60's. Supposedly helps with oil production. The presence of high levels of co2 during the last weeks of veg will suppress the production of ethylene which promotes maturation of the flowers.

Other biggies.. Keep your rez cool, if you can't then your going to have to go the h2o2 route. 3ml per gallon every three days or you will end up with the mess froggy has. A little superthrive goes a long way and roots excelerator (although criminally expensive) works very very well. I make one rez last about 3 weeks during veg just so I don't have to mix 50 gallons worth of excellerator. :) .

And last, and most importantly buy QUALITY meters, let your PH drift a little, and don't overfeed your plants!!! Very difficult at times to resist when they start chugging along and popping flowers etc. If you look at your plants closely you can see signs of something amiss. If your feeding lightly, you can be fairly certain that the problem is a deficiency, not a complicated mix of too high salt content in the roots, nutrient antagonism locking some nutrients up, or a whole host of other problems. Then, with your good meters (and your knowledge of how much of each nutrient will increase the ppm..cause you WROTE IT DOWN) you can add a balanced mixture of nutes straight into the rez to raise the PPM. The amount of stress put on a plant because she wants a little more nutes is MUCH LESS than the amount of stress caused by burning them with nutes. If you ever see burnt tips, you have to tell yourself "I need to up my game because it should have never reached this point".

I'm not perfect (see the curling edges of the flower pic...heat stress) but I am always working to keep the environment perfect. People say that the plants are there babies, and then go about abusing them in hopes of higher performance. Give them a nice happy home, keep them warm and safe at night, and don't wake them during the night with a flashlight in their eyes. Or you can go the complete newb route... cram food down their throat until they puke, sit them in an oven during the day and freeze them at night, change the foods you give them at whim, smear miracle creams on them and then when they cry, punch them in the stomach and bath their feet in battery acid.

They will still grow up and flower, but they will be the human equivalent of mouth breathing NASCAR fan strippers with poor teeth.... And nobody wants to go down on that.
 

Icky

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That's about the jist of it. I let the humidity range from 60-75 during veg, I pretty much leave it alone. Temps during veg can also climb to 90 as long as your lights are not too close. In flower I drop the humidity down to 40, or at least try to as I need to get a better dehumidifier. I would even go down to say 35% humidity in flower as the dry conditions will stimulate oil production (as the theory goes anyway) but low humidity and high temps can cause stomata to close). Temps during flower I like to keep around 85-87 although sometimes it climbs a LITTLE higher. Co2 levels are... 1st week of veg (rooted clones) 700, 2-5 weeks and the first week of flip I like to keep around 1000-1100. Week 2-6 is when I crank it up to 1500. This round I waited until the 3rd week of flower to hit them with 1500. I think the biggest thing that people ignore is the night time temperatures. You want to keep nighttime temps within 5-7 degrees of daytime. Especially in veg as it will keep the plants compact. During the last two weeks of flower I run Co2 at around 600 and let nightime temps plummet. I am thinking about letting outside air in at night to get the room into the 60's. Supposedly helps with oil production. The presence of high levels of co2 during the last weeks of veg will suppress the production of ethylene which promotes maturation of the flowers.
Yup yup gotcha, should have the capability to do that without too much drama. So you don't get too worried about the closed stomata? Not a big prob at the levels you run?
Other biggies.. Keep your rez cool, if you can't then your going to have to go the h2o2 route. 3ml per gallon every three days or you will end up with the mess froggy has. A little superthrive goes a long way and roots excelerator (although criminally expensive) works very very well. I make one rez last about 3 weeks during veg just so I don't have to mix 50 gallons worth of excellerator. :) .
Res will be outside the area, so hopefully should be able to keep it cool. I'll probably give them h2o2 anyway if it's seeming beneficial, don't want no brown roots :x

I'll be using the whole House and Garden range (except for maybe the drip clean, dont think we can get it here :() so roots excellerator is on the cards. Superthrive I have used for years and will never not use (for veg) (probably :D)
And last, and most importantly buy QUALITY meters, let your PH drift a little, and don't overfeed your plants!!! Very difficult at times to resist when they start chugging along and popping flowers etc. If you look at your plants closely you can see signs of something amiss. If your feeding lightly, you can be fairly certain that the problem is a deficiency, not a complicated mix of too high salt content in the roots, nutrient antagonism locking some nutrients up, or a whole host of other problems. Then, with your good meters (and your knowledge of how much of each nutrient will increase the ppm..cause you WROTE IT DOWN) you can add a balanced mixture of nutes straight into the rez to raise the PPM. The amount of stress put on a plant because she wants a little more nutes is MUCH LESS than the amount of stress caused by burning them with nutes. If you ever see burnt tips, you have to tell yourself "I need to up my game because it should have never reached this point".
I'm good with detailing, and I have a BlueLabs Guardian thingy. I hate to overfeed

I'm not perfect (see the curling edges of the flower pic...heat stress) but I am always working to keep the environment perfect. People say that the plants are there babies, and then go about abusing them in hopes of higher performance. Give them a nice happy home, keep them warm and safe at night, and don't wake them during the night with a flashlight in their eyes. Or you can go the complete newb route... cram food down their throat until they puke, sit them in an oven during the day and freeze them at night, change the foods you give them at whim, smear miracle creams on them and then when they cry, punch them in the stomach and bath their feet in battery acid.

They will still grow up and flower, but they will be the human equivalent of mouth breathing NASCAR fan strippers with poor teeth.... And nobody wants to go down on that.
Yup, that's why I decided on the Harvest Master, should have everything dialled in pretty fine before anything gets to the room. And I'll be feeding RO'd water so should have a smooth(ish) run with the nute solution as long as I treat the medium. What kind of size dehumidifier do you need for your room? Wondering if mine will be big enough, it's only about 10 gal per day



Cheers heaps buddy. Really useful info
 

legallyflying

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Right now my lowes 50 pint is barely keeping up. Had a really hard time once my plants in the veg tent start growing fast as well. Looking to buy a "real" basement or crawl space dehumidifier but they are pricey. ($1200). But, it won't run all fucking day and night which is a good thing. I'm spending $60 a month just to run that dehu!
 

JimBro

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so, how exactly does a 'fucking google' differ from scrog? i'm pretty happy with scrog, but I'll give it a shot.
 
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