PJ Diaz
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True. But it's ancient history which Biden insisted never happened.
Should Democrats shut down the debates?
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abandonconflict
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should be a poll thread question.
hanimmal
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Have you never had to make a tough decision in life?
I have had times where I had to not do stuff I wanted because I needed to pay off a debt that was eating me alive with interest. Does that mean I was happy to do it? In favor of it? Of course not.
And again Bernie was being disingenuous to say that Biden wanted to cut/freeze SS and Medicare. He did not, he was saying all increases needed to be frozen to pay down the debt, so that the programs that matter to people could be saved.
Why are you shilling this so hard?
BTW, it is interesting that Bernie stopped the NRA from being sued and against background checks so often. It is almost like he had something to benefit from it.
Fogdog
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I'd appreciate a source article that cites exactly what he's recently denied about his actions 36 years ago.
Fogdog
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Never mind. I just checked fact checking sites. Argue with them, not me. You're regurgitating propaganda garbage.
Sanders’ misleading Social Security attack on Biden
Leading up to the primary in Florida, with its many retirees, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is pressing Joe Biden hard on
IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT
- In the 1970s, Biden supported increases in Social Security benefits.
- In the 1980s and 1990s, he supported a one-year freeze in benefits.
- In the 2000s, he opposed benefit cuts, protected Social Security from automatic budget cuts, and supported a change that would reduce benefits by about 4.5% over 40 years.
- Today, Biden supports higher benefits.
Buss Relville
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Fogdog
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I find it reassuring that the Cult of Sanders or whatever they are have become so desperate that they just keep repeating propaganda bullshit.
It's over. Biden will be the nominee and he's not perfect. Better than Sanders, though.
Their talking lines about the COVID 19 crisis is a perfect example:
Bernie said this crisis as a healthcare crisis. If only we had Medicare for all -- something that is a big plan, requires massive realignment of goverment and reshaping our tax system and for those reasons isn't going to happen quickly, most likely could be implemented in three years at the least.
Biden said he would take immediate actions to promote good results. "Making people whole" so they can recover their lives.
There it is. Bernie really has no vision about what needs to be done now. It's a good example of why he hasn't gotten anything done. Biden has a record of getting difficult legislation passed and shows he understands that short term actions are needed now, Sanders is just using the crisis to sell his blue sky policies.
It's over. Biden will be the nominee and he's not perfect. Better than Sanders, though.
Their talking lines about the COVID 19 crisis is a perfect example:
Bernie said this crisis as a healthcare crisis. If only we had Medicare for all -- something that is a big plan, requires massive realignment of goverment and reshaping our tax system and for those reasons isn't going to happen quickly, most likely could be implemented in three years at the least.
Biden said he would take immediate actions to promote good results. "Making people whole" so they can recover their lives.
There it is. Bernie really has no vision about what needs to be done now. It's a good example of why he hasn't gotten anything done. Biden has a record of getting difficult legislation passed and shows he understands that short term actions are needed now, Sanders is just using the crisis to sell his blue sky policies.
Buss Relville
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Yeah, I'm sure everyone believes the guy that repeatedly lied to America on live tv.
Fogdog
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What specifically did he say in the debate was a lie? A couple of examples, please.
PJ Diaz
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I posted it just a page back. Here it is again. Not an article, but a transcript.
Meanwhile during the debate last night he denied ever doing so.
doublejj
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I think he has confused biden with trump.....
Buss Relville
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hanimmal
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RT for the 'left' is not a credible source.
Why skip right over @Fogdog's post? He laid it right out for you again with a actual fact check source showing it was mostly bullshit. Even after I spent the time to go through how it was lying propaganda last night in real time.
Why are you willing to buy into Bernie's propaganda? Especially on this topic, do you actually think Biden is going to take your social security and Medicare when he is trying to expand it to be available for 100% of our population?
Fogdog
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Are you talking about this claim?
Bernie Sanders stated in a television as on March 11, 2020:
"Joe Biden "has advocated cutting Social Security for 40 years"
Says Joe Biden "has advocated cutting Social Security for 40 years"
Your citation of gov record is accurate. 40 years ago, Biden, as shown in the congressional record advocated a freeze in SS payments of one year.
40 years ago is a long time ago. Making that the case against voting for Biden is a bit overblown isn't it? Context matters too. Why was he advocating that change?
We tend to get into the weeds sometimes because you stress the exact words and I stress what the meaning is in those words. So, I'll just ask you directly about how you interpret this statement. Are you saying that Joe Biden would cut benefits if he became president? Or perhaps he's opposed to Social Security altogether? I'm more interested in why you think a discussion in congress 40 years ago when discussing some policy decision this is such a big deal today.
I have time. I'll go into the debate and look for the exact statements where you claim he denied even dicussing a 1-year freeze in social security payments. If you know the time stamp, it would save me time and I'd appreciate you telling me where to look.
Fogdog
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Uh, yeah, I listened to the first part where she repeated the BS about Biden time and time again tried to cut social security.
Nah, that's already been pretty much debunked. So, I won't listen to the rest.
Buss Relville
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Sure.
Add your irrelevant dislike to the video, and acknowledge you are in the MASSIVE minority.
hanimmal
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Kim Kardashian has about what 63 million followers? That doesn't make her a credible source for news either. "The Hill" is just propaganda designed to do Russia's bidding disguised to appeal to the 'left'.
rkymtnman
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a Bernie supporter talking about being in the massive minority. now that is some funny shit.
PJ Diaz
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Because I checked the facts myself via official gov docs, as previously posted. We could argue semantics all day, but frankly his answer did not seem completely honest given the facts of the past. Foggy's fact-checking included this, which was my previous point as well. Sure, it's not a huge deal, but I'd like our future President to me more transparent than Biden seems to be..
PJ Diaz
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The Hill is slightly right leaning, but media checkers describe them as "mostly factual"..
