Budley Doright
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I’m assuming this thread was based on Canadian law re Parliment so to clarify read this
https://ccla.org/ask-the-ccla-do-i-have-to-show-my-face/
https://ccla.org/ask-the-ccla-do-i-have-to-show-my-face/
Should Muslim people be allowed to hold political office
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Sandernista
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So does Congress.
Rob Roy
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No. Muslim people should not be allowed to "hold political office".
A "political office" is euphemistic for being able to do things which would be wrong for nonpolitical office holders to do, therefore the question is a component of a larger issue and misses the target. Vapid and uninspiring. Like arguing about which way to hang toilet paper while in the middle of soiling a perfectly clean floor that other people will be forced to clean up.
A "political office" is euphemistic for being able to do things which would be wrong for nonpolitical office holders to do, therefore the question is a component of a larger issue and misses the target. Vapid and uninspiring. Like arguing about which way to hang toilet paper while in the middle of soiling a perfectly clean floor that other people will be forced to clean up.
Unclebaldrick
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Fare.
Fogdog
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We could learn from them. Just saying this isn't something that should affect anybody's ability to move about and work.
Just poking about the web, there is no restriction against a woman removing her veil to verify identity. A bank admitted it went too far when it required people entering the bank to remove head coverings and a woman objected. They revised their policy to only require face coverings be removed. It's just not that big of a deal. People on both sides can and do make one out of it. Ignorance is a bitch.
Fogdog
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The label of impeached, convicted traitor would be enough.
Fogdog
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UncleBuck
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hey everyone
the guy who supports the "exclude gay people from hate crimes and lynchings laws" party wants us all to believe he is very against the mistreatment of gay people
we all believe him, right?
Unclebaldrick
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How do you do, fellow kids?
UncleBuck
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i'm very certain that the guy who voted for a serial rapist is very worried about women's rights
blu3bird
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He probably likes walnuts...
...crammed up his ass!
But no, I don't believe he is very against the mistreatment of gay people. I am just not convinced
Unclebaldrick
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It would be interesting to know his views on whether the poor 13 year old in Wisconsin who was kidnapped by his fellow INCEL for three months should be allowed to have an abortion if she is pregnant. Maybe he thinks she should be forced to create a child with him. After all, she probably asked for it.
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Venus55
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Ok, so asked myself, why does it bother me not to be able to see someone’s face? And the only answer I have is because I like to have a heads up on who I’m dealing with. And here’s a couple of examples why. I work in a high end jewellery retailer and often work late nights. I can honestly say the image of a burqa clad woman entering the store does not frighten me one bit! Not in the slightest. What does bother me is what if that’s NOT woman at all under that veil and it’s a man about to rob me? Because u see if a man walked in wearing a balaclava then at least I’d know I’m about to be robbed, when he walks in in a burqa I’m none the wiser and caught off guard. Another scenario. Out walking my dog in the evening when it’s cooler, there’s no one else around and a “woman” in full veil is walking towards me. AGAIN, not a second thought given so my guard is down and I certainly don’t want to offend so I don’t look anymore than I need to. Lo and behold it’s a predator under that veil who sees I’m clearly relaxed and once again none the wiser.
As a female, not knowing who is under the veil is frightening. The qur’an says nothing about full face coverings, only to lower their gaze and guard their modesty. And that they should cast their outer garments over their persons: that is most convenient. My interpretation of “most convenient” is NOT over my face. That would be the least convenient wouldn’t it? So this is not a show of faith to their religion. It’s culture based.
These are only MY REASONS for not supporting full face coverings in public. And don’t even think of trying to call me racist as I have Muslim aunties, none of which wear burqas or niqabs, but do wear head coverings.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/robbers-dressed-up-burkas-steal-13003217
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-high-profile-smash-grab-raids-convicted.html
^^^I looked this up after I typed what I did.
Seems burqa IS the new balaclava.
Unclebaldrick
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Sorry, didn't read it. I just thought you might like to learn something.
I was probably wrong.
Fogdog
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People are afraid of all sorts of unlikely events.
I'd put your unjustified fear down to the more primordial fear of the stranger. The fear we all feel when we see people behaving outside of our cultural norms. It jangles our nerves when people aren't behaving in a way that is predictable to us. When you get into a car and drive are you fearful at every corner that a car might fail to stop and hit you? It's my guess you aren't fearful of that, yet being attacked by a man in a burka is far and away less likely and you say you fear that. It's my guess that you are fearful of the stranger who follows unfamiliar norms and finding reasons to justify it. Just a guess and not dismissing your fears.
This is NOT to say you are unjustified in fear of being attacked by a man. Men in our society have created an environment where a woman simply must be careful and wary. The woman in the burka is actually at more risk of an attack from a hostile man because she is wearing it. In the US that's true, don't know about Canada. Maybe the root of your problem with the burka lies with what men do and nothing to do with the burka. Just saying, we are safer in a society where people are respectful of each other.
Venus55
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That’s exactly right. And that’s the msg I was trying to convey. As a woman I have enough worries and fears about strangers (men). I don’t need the added fear of having to worry who exactly is under the veil too. That’s all.
Ps. I’m in Australia.
Fogdog
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I think you're explaining your own issues with the veil and wouldn't expect women to remove the veil because of these feelz. amirite?
To be honest, the burka creeps me out too. But that's the end of it there.
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