Great, then tell me if I was defending or condemning when said, a person that's worked his whole life has work ethic?
Should there be a cap on attainable wealth?
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Great, then tell me if I was defending or condemning when said, a person that's worked his whole life has work ethic?
Mr Neutron
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... and what, pray tell, is one's fair share​?
canndo
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Mr Neutron
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Payments? Payments implies choice.
That's so nice that YOU consider it money well spent, so YOU give them all YOUR money because there are some of us who clearly don't agree.
Yes.
Mr Neutron
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Not for somebody who recognizes theft when they see it.
canndo
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Payments do not imply choice, they imply payments. Yes, I consider order a valuable thing.
As to corporate welfare, I rarely see anyone complaining about that, only the flat screen TVs and the athletic shoes that supposedly all those on welfare receive.
Mr Neutron
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Just like the payments you might make to Guido and Mario, your friendly neighborhood protectors, who will happily break your legs if you refuse to pay.
No, you consider CONTROL a better option than liberty.
All you need to do is to open your eyes and quit looking through those collectivist colored glasses.
canndo
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Is 14 percent theft? how about 18? 20? 24? what do you recognize?
Mr Neutron
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LOL, come on, man...
Canndo, I see you've answered many questions but are avoiding mine, should I kick and scream like you or are you going to answer it?
canndo
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Order excludes Guido, in fact I pay in order to have such things as an orderly sucession of leaders - not something that happens in the mafia.
It's nice to ignore the order that you have always lived in and claim it isn't important and isn't valuable but in places where there is no such order folks have problems.... getting rich let alone living.
I do not consider control a better option. Order does include some control but even there we have something that goes unapreciated here. We have rough parity with our governmental enforcement, in otherwords, even criminals such as us get breaks here,breaks worth paying for.
I see through very clear glasses, so clear that I am aware of the influences around me (although that takes work) and can determine where my ideas come from.
canndo
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It looks to me as though you were neutral, espousing on the nature of a certain set of ethics and were neither defending nor condemning.
canndo
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Mr Neutron
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You are seriously asking me how much theft is fair?
canndo
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You aren't honestly claiming that all taxation is theft are you? This is like getting the bill after staying at a hotel and refusing to pay because you don't perceive any benifit from your stay.
Is defense a service that we pay for legitimately? How about weights and measures? Weather forcasting? Safety of our food, accurate monitoring of our resources? None of these things are worth paying for? really?
canndo
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I answered it - I said neither.
It looks to me as though you were neutral, espousing on the nature of a certain set of ethics and were neither defending nor condemning. "
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Mr Neutron
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So, my leaders steal my property in order to insure an orderly succession of... leaders, I think we are getting ripped off.
I'm not ignoring anything. I felt much the same way when I lived in the US but moving out has reinforced my perception.
Rinse and repeat. I have no idea what you are saying but it sounds juicy, please, chew it up and spit it out, again.
Mr Neutron
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Don't start pulling that shit, again. You know damn well we have been talking about income taxes. Remember, the percentages?
Oh my God... how did we ever survive the first 130+ years with out stealing the citizen's property?
I paid income tax, what do I get? (I have asked this before with no replies, so if you want to pass on this, I understand)
canndo
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Correct, percentages. It is however, the same, you pay for your lodging, you pay for security, for water, for your sewer, for the bed and the electricity.
We survived because we didn't have as much to deal with as we do now.
What do you get for your taxes? I believe I just told you, order.
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