Silica/Neem in Veg for spider mites and Silica/Spinosad in Flower???

Silence 208 said:

I'm glad I don't run into problems like these lol

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With all do respect, I was not bashing but I tried ladybugs and they will go after thrips but not spider mites. I posted that so other people do not waste their money on LB. Predator mites - I tried the three pack of three different species has to have the right temp and humidity. You also have to establish them early.

One poster bought Green Lace Wing larvae and said it is the shit. You can buy the eggs cheaper. Green Lace Wings (larvae) supposedly will eat anything and each other if they run out of other bugs.

I am glad you have no problems. This forum is supposed to be here to help others and to not be a dick.

greasemonkeymann said:

right...
hey lets see some pics of your herb man, I bet yours are mindboggling awesome.
oh, and it's "you're"
as in "you're a douchebag"
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+100
Love the Monkey Man's posts

He and whiteBB2727 are always very helpful. I appreciate the help with spino and other advice they have provided here.

Freddie Millergogo said:

With all do respect, I was not bashing but I tried ladybugs and they will go after thrips but not spider mites. I posted that so other people do not waste their money on LB. Predator mites - I tried the three pack of three different species has to have the right temp and humidity. You also have to establish them early.

One poster bought Green Lace Wing larvae and said it is the shit. You can buy the eggs cheaper. Green Lace Wings (larvae) supposedly will eat anything and each other if they run out of other bugs.

I am glad you have no problems. This forum is supposed to be here to help others and to not be a dick.

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what temps, and humidity are you at man, i was a TOTAL skeptic when my buddy said he can cure my epidemic of spider mites.
and that's no exaggeration.. they were resistant of EVERYTHING, you name it, they are resistant of it, dichlorvos, two types of miticides, azamax, neem, spinosad, pyrethrins, NOTHING killed them all
in fact after all that, and after i essentially bred a supermite (remember they evolve probably faster than anything on the planet, sometimes 10 generations in a single month)
The only thing that worked (barely) was physically spraying the plants heavily with blasts of water, and a speck of dawn soap, but that only killed them if yu got all of them, and didn't fuckin matter anyways because the forest that i grow in is infested with at least three types of spider mites AND russets (actually easy to kill compared to the two spot)
SO
i called bullshit on my buddys predator mites, and he sent me 200 bucks worth of free mites, and those fuckers wiped out the population in hours
problem was, is that i had too many predator mites, and afterwards, when the plants were picked clean, and they got a whiff of that forest alllll full of mites, well?
they took off after the forest mites, and my plants got re-infested about three weeks later.
so the key is not only finding the right mites, abut also thinking it as a preventative IPM to re-release small amounts every 30 days in summer, and every 45-60 days in the winter (depending on your growroom tent temps)
fallacis, californicus, occidentalis, etc
they work man.
and i totally was WRONG when i called bullshit on my friend.
Apparently CA organic strawberry crops get BLASTED by spider mites, so that's 98% of his clientele

no joke, predator mites are expensive, they have to be overnighted, with a lil freezer bag to keep em cool, and they are expensive to breed/keep.
so a small garden would need about 150 bucks worth for each app
that does add up, but i got a shitty back, and spraying each and every damn plant is a total whore.. and then 3 times a week?
fuck that, i 'd rather open a bottle and sprinkle out these hungry lil bastards and let them slowly kill the spider mites (hopefully painfully)

Chunky Stool said:

Nice buds!
I see spider mite damage on those leaves in a couple of your pics. No biggie that close to being done though.

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oh hell yea there is, a looong history of those, that's the pics of the reinfestation i was just talkin about.
that was the pineapplehashplant, poor lady limped along, and i juuuust cut her down, she rebounded well considering she was webbed overnight when we got a heat spell about a month ago.
here's a fugly pic of her about ten days before chop.
Breaks my heart cuz that plant is BEAUTIFUL when healthy, but i still got some mite free herb off her, the predator mites picked her clean.
under a magnifying glass she was clean under those leaves, i was surprised, in fact that was the main convincing plant that made me a predator mite believer.
Cuz she was webbed. NO joke.

I pre treat or add homemade insecticidal soap to my spinosad.

Get a fels naptha laundry bar. It can be found in the laundry detergent sections.

Take 1/4 bar and grate it into a quart of water with a cheese grater. Warm until the soap melts. That makes a concentrate. Mix 1 teaspoon of concentrate to a quart of water for a good insecticidal soap.

whitebb2727 said:

I pre treat or add homemade insecticidal soap to my spinosad.

Get a fels naptha laundry bar. It can be found in the laundry detergent sections.
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Take 1/4 bar and grate it into a quart of water with a cheese grater. Warm until the soap melts. That makes a concentrate. Mix 1 teaspoon of concentrate to a quart of water for a good insecticidal soap.

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+100 Thanks "Bro."

Do you mix the Fels with the Spinosad? And do you also just spray Fels solution by itself? So two options to use Fels? Veg and Flower? Thanks for the great info.

Freddie Millergogo said:

+100 Thanks "Bro."

Do you mix the Fels with the Spinosad? And do you also just spray Fels solution by itself? So two options to use Fels? Veg and Flower? Thanks for the great info.

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No problem.

I have used it both ways. The first time I treated mites I used the naptha spray while waiting on the spinosad to arrive.

The second time I just added the naptha to the spinosad. Both are safe to use in flower. The spinosad up to week before harvest. The soap about the same. Maybe a little longer before finish.

whitebb2727 said:

No problem.

I have used it both ways. The first time I treated mites I used the naptha spray while waiting on the spinosad to arrive.

The second time I just added the naptha to the spinosad. Both are safe to use in flower. The spinosad up to week before harvest. The soap about the same. Maybe a little longer before finish.

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Great stuff. Thank you.

whitebb2727 said:

Listen dude. I'm fucking anal about shit.

Fact of the matter shit happens and anyone claiming to have grown for ten years without mites is a liar. View attachment 3809122

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Well I have been growing for 15 years now, and yet have to encounter a spider mite. I do encounter pests but not yet the borg. and i grow veggies in a big greenhouse as well. It is not the same in all systems, I do hydro ebb and flow in clay rocks, and a side by side soil grow might have a million pests on them, and I use chemical pesticides like once or twice a year in between grows and when I think it is harmless. I know that most growers think that it is impossible to harvest with no pesticides, then it turns out that they are growing similar to that grower in a non-sealed shed in the woods where there are a million varieties of SM. Well, if I were given that shed, first thing i would do is to seal it, use some cheap greenhouse plastic make a clean soil free flooring and neat walls with no dirt or holes and clear the bushes around, place a net around even nuke the surrounding with pesticides if i had to. Prevention is way less work. The nightmare is when I have to walk in with a sprayer and try and kill everything that has already infested my plants, and preventing that nightmare is much more efficient.

zem said:

Well I have been growing for 15 years now, and yet have to encounter a spider mite. I do encounter pests but not yet the borg. and i grow veggies in a big greenhouse as well. It is not the same in all systems, I do hydro ebb and flow in clay rocks, and a side by side soil grow might have a million pests on them, and I use chemical pesticides like once or twice a year in between grows and when I think it is harmless. I know that most growers think that it is impossible to harvest with no pesticides, then it turns out that they are growing similar to that grower in a non-sealed shed in the woods where there are a million varieties of SM. Well, if I were given that shed, first thing i would do is to seal it, use some cheap greenhouse plastic make a clean soil free flooring and neat walls with no dirt or holes and clear the bushes around, place a net around even nuke the surrounding with pesticides if i had to. Prevention is way less work. The nightmare is when I have to walk in with a sprayer and try and kill everything that has already infested my plants, and preventing that nightmare is much more efficient.

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I believe you. you are the exception to the rule. Most everyone has encountered them at one point or another.

Growing in soil and everything else for it was almost impossible to not get them. I spray, like I said, a couple times a year with chemical pesticides.

At the first sign of a mite or thrip just use some spoinosad. Its great stuff and harmless.

I just got aggravated because of someone saying that getting mites is because of laziness. Even the cleanest person can get them, especially in certain places where they are bad.

I think that my system is very difficult to attract many crawlers like mites. the entire grow chambers are raised from the floor on just 2 legs, the rest is nailed to the walls. in my greenhouse, i have gutters raised on brick away from a CEMENT floor. I am not surprised when i go season after season without having any crawlers infestation, it is very hard for them to reach the plants and then they have to swim through the ebb and flow channel.

zem said:

I think that my system is very difficult to attract many crawlers like mites. the entire grow chambers are raised from the floor on just 2 legs, the rest is nailed to the walls. in my greenhouse, i have gutters raised on brick away from a CEMENT floor. I am not surprised when i go season after season without having any crawlers infestation, it is very hard for them to reach the plants and then they have to swim through the ebb and flow channel.

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Do you have a any pictures? Sounds like a cool set up.

greasemonkeymann said:

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that's a joke right??

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lololol

zem said:

I think that my system is very difficult to attract many crawlers like mites. the entire grow chambers are raised from the floor on just 2 legs, the rest is nailed to the walls. in my greenhouse, i have gutters raised on brick away from a CEMENT floor. I am not surprised when i go season after season without having any crawlers infestation, it is very hard for them to reach the plants and then they have to swim through the ebb and flow channel.

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just remember they they use the wind a LOT for infestations, just like normal spiders
I found that out when I used tanglefoot on all my plants... that didn't work as a mite suppresent

zem said:

then it turns out that they are growing similar to that grower in a non-sealed shed in the woods where there are a million varieties of SM. Well, if I were given that shed, first thing i would do is to seal it, use some cheap greenhouse plastic make a clean soil free flooring and neat walls with no dirt or holes and clear the bushes around, place a net around even nuke the surrounding with pesticides if i had to. Prevention is way less work. The nightmare is when I have to walk in with a sprayer and try and kill everything that has already infested my plants, and preventing that nightmare is much more efficient.

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tried that.

in a rainforest you run into huge issues with humidity, as well as high temps, I have two sheds that I grow in, one is completely sealed (to the point where your ears pop when you shut the door)
also "nuking with pesticides" just breeds mites that are resistant to whatever you are "nuking" with
not to mention not safe for my dog, the critters around here (who am I to kill a bunch of harmless animals because I am greedy?)
I appreciate your advice, however arrogant as it came off..

im about to just plant 3 azadirchta indica....................................................................................... for a dollar

fermented neem leaves work well but you need alcohol in the mix to pull out the oils

everyone else is doing it so i do too

also companion planting with allium family. some may not want to wait 2 years for their onions though.. patience is a virtue

iHearAll said:

also companion planting with allium family. some may not want to wait 2 years for their onions though.. patience is a virtue

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I have been trying to grow chives and rosemary that I bought at a nursery and repotted but they grow slow.

Freddie Millergogo said:

I have been trying to grow chives and rosemary that I bought at a nursery and repotted but they grow slow.

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iv companioned rosemary with lemons and limes to try and get rid of soil flies but it only worked so much. there were less but they took a few months to really pick up shop and leave. i think companion crops really get out future generations but that's probably all dependent on the pest and crop. i keep meaning to plant red and yellow onion seeds tonight and keep forgetting!!! thanks!

be patient with the rosemary. it'll be rewarding soon enough, chives are just slow af any way you look it ime