SIP thread -- (Sub-Irrigated Planter)

[Smiffy2k9]

Hey lads, i have my sips made they are wicking water well, i have to refill my res every 2 days so far, i will need a bigger res when flowering starts.

For those that didnt see my earlier posts im using sohum living soil. My plants are starting to show a deficiency, i think its a N def, what do you guys think and whats the fix? Not the best picture colour wise bit the bottom leaves are yellowing. As per Sohums instructions these have only been givien plain water.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

I started my own thread as I go on about stuff oftentimes when I sit and smoke. LMFAO, figured I'd keep most of my rambling in my own thread. Hahahaha, wow I found that hilarious. Lol.

Yeah, I feel like I clogged the thread. I was excited because I got my earthboxes yesterday.

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

Yeah, I feel like I clogged the thread. I was excited because I got my earthboxes yesterday.

the thread has been slowing down for a bit, good to see some new folks.

 

[Lrn2Yield]

@ShLUbY How do you feel the Cookies N Chem would do in a scrog? Going to pop some in a few weeks, and kinda wondering if it’s a 1 plant 27 gal sip kinda plant? Does she put out much side growth? Looking to fill a 4x4 tent. Is there a pheno you’d consider dominant? From what I’ve read, a lot of people look for the cookie leaning phenos .. I guess this all comes down to personal preference thou I suppose eh.

How do all you guys growing in sips, feel about two plants in one container? Will they fight for root space? Will one plant always suffer, if grown this way?

 

[Tim Fox]

@ShLUbY How do you feel the Cookies N Chem would do in a scrog? Going to pop some in a few weeks, and kinda wondering if it’s a 1 plant 27 gal sip kinda plant? Does she put out much side growth? Looking to fill a 4x4 tent. Is there a pheno you’d consider dominant? From what I’ve read, a lot of people look for the cookie leaning phenos .. I guess this all comes down to personal preference thou I suppose eh.

How do all you guys growing in sips, feel about two plants in one container? Will they fight for root space? Will one plant always suffer, if grown this way?

I did 2 plants Everytime in mine and they always grew fantastic

 

[ShLUbY]

@ShLUbY How do you feel the Cookies N Chem would do in a scrog? Going to pop some in a few weeks, and kinda wondering if it’s a 1 plant 27 gal sip kinda plant? Does she put out much side growth? Looking to fill a 4x4 tent. Is there a pheno you’d consider dominant? From what I’ve read, a lot of people look for the cookie leaning phenos .. I guess this all comes down to personal preference thou I suppose eh.

How do all you guys growing in sips, feel about two plants in one container? Will they fight for root space? Will one plant always suffer, if grown this way?

this is my first run with the CNC, so I'm not sure what kinda methods it does well with. I'm not even into 3rd week of flower yet so I really can't even speculate. plus it's the seed run, clones always run a little different than the seed run I'll have a better idea once the cuttings go through flower. The pheno I have seems like a tight brancher that likes to do single colas, so training is probably going to be laborious with this strain, multiple toppings probably going to be the fastest way to get it into a bushy structure. I'd assume I have a pretty cookie dom pheno going here. Not seeing much of any sativa in the structure. big ol fan leaves in veg and stocky structure.

 

[ShLUbY]

Hey lads, i have my sips made they are wicking water well, i have to refill my res every 2 days so far, i will need a bigger res when flowering starts.

For those that didnt see my earlier posts im using sohum living soil. My plants are starting to show a deficiency, i think its a N def, what do you guys think and whats the fix? Not the best picture colour wise bit the bottom leaves are yellowing. As per Sohums instructions these have only been givien plain water.

looks like some N def. goin on for sure... possibly a little underwatering as well. small fabs like that will evaporate water quickly. Personally, I would never use a fabric at that stage of growth, only plastic.

 

[Lrn2Yield]

this is my first run with the CNC, so I'm not sure what kinda methods it does well with. I'm not even into 3rd week of flower yet so I really can't even speculate. plus it's the seed run, clones always run a little different than the seed run I'll have a better idea once the cuttings go through flower. The pheno I have seems like a tight brancher that likes to do single colas, so training is probably going to be laborious with this strain, multiple toppings probably going to be the fastest way to get it into a bushy structure. I'd assume I have a pretty cookie dom pheno going here. Not seeing much of any sativa in the structure. big ol fan leaves in veg and stocky structure.

Right on man. So you'll pop so many seeds, take cuttings from each and then flower? Do you do this mainly to decide if it's worth running again, you'll have the clones ready to go? More so a taste/yield test run for you ?

Up until this point, I've always just tossed in a female seed and grew whatever showed it's head above soil really, which has worked to a certain degree but over time and learning more makes me want to pop regulars and find that one special pheno that keeps me coming back. If I'm at all lucky, i'll find a good mix of both parents that will satisfy both taste and yield. I guess you could say, in past grows I didn't know how each plant I flowered would end up but I was all in on them based on needing smoke and not taking my time to find that plant that I know will produce . In saying that, it's legal to grow up to 4 plants here now so I picked up a second tent and will have a continuous flow of 3 autos in 1 tent for supply while I attempt to grow a big bush in the 4x4. I hate the feeling of rushing a harvest, just because you're getting low on supply.

Did you run the full pack, to find the plants that you were happy with? Looks like I'm going to have to really work on my clone game, as I'm an absolute atrocious at it haha.

@Tim Fox Appreciate the reply. That second plant in there would most likely cut my veg time in half, filling that 4x4. If you have yet to have any issues, I'm certainly going to give two a try.

Gonna give the fingers a rest, enough typing for one post. Thanks

 

[ShLUbY]

Right on man. So you'll pop so many seeds, take cuttings from each and then flower? Do you do this mainly to decide if it's worth running again, you'll have the clones ready to go? More so a taste/yield test run for you ?

Up until this point, I've always just tossed in a female seed and grew whatever showed it's head above soil really, which has worked to a certain degree but over time and learning more makes me want to pop regulars and find that one special pheno that keeps me coming back. If I'm at all lucky, i'll find a good mix of both parents that will satisfy both taste and yield. I guess you could say, in past grows I didn't know how each plant I flowered would end up but I was all in on them based on needing smoke and not taking my time to find that plant that I know will produce . In saying that, it's legal to grow up to 4 plants here now so I picked up a second tent and will have a continuous flow of 3 autos in 1 tent for supply while I attempt to grow a big bush in the 4x4. I hate the feeling of rushing a harvest, just because you're getting low on supply.

Did you run the full pack, to find the plants that you were happy with? Looks like I'm going to have to really work on my clone game, as I'm an absolute atrocious at it haha.

@Tim Fox Appreciate the reply. That second plant in there would most likely cut my veg time in half, filling that 4x4. If you have yet to have any issues, I'm certainly going to give two a try.

Gonna give the fingers a rest, enough typing for one post. Thanks

When dealing with fem seeds, the genetic diversity is considerably lower, so running fems is gonna yield fairly consistent results. I’m assuming they are selfed.

When running regs, yeah totally different. Looking for that keeper out of the bunch. Generally I’d never chose a plant based on the seed run. I always take cuts and make the first eliminations based on the cuttings once they’ve been flowered. You see mostly structural changes from seed plant to cuttings. The quality usually doesn’t change much at all.

The CNC I’m running now was the only female out of the 4 seeds that made it from the original planting of 6. Two damped off on me for some reason. The female and males all looked pretty consistent really. Probably could have made a decent F2 run with what I had, but I don’t have room for breeding right now. I still have 5 seeds of CNC to go through. Just wanted to see some of what I had and not dedicate an entire run to mystery plants.

I’m currently flowering a pack of Texas butter by greenpoint. Got 7 females outta 10 seeds!! Makes for a lot of work though. I see one pretty weak plant out of the seed run. But as before, I probably won’t eliminate any of them until I see a clone run finish. There are some real frosty phenos in that pack though! I’ll have a clone run of half the phenos flowering in a couple weeks. The other phenos will be a bit behind those.

Just popped 6 Jelly Pie. All six are doing well so far, two days above the soil. Looking for a nice hybrid between the parents.

Bodega bubblegum is next on the germinate list from greenpoint.

If you need some cloning tips, just message me. I can get you 100% results with an aeroponic cloner.

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

When dealing with fem seeds, the genetic diversity is considerably lower, so running fems is gonna yield fairly consistent results. I’m assuming they are selfed.

When running regs, yeah totally different. Looking for that keeper out of the bunch. Generally I’d never chose a plant based on the seed run. I always take cuts and make the first eliminations based on the cuttings once they’ve been flowered. You see mostly structural changes from seed plant to cuttings. The quality usually doesn’t change much at all.

The CNC I’m running now was the only female out of the 4 seeds that made it from the original planting of 6. Two damped off on me for some reason. The female and males all looked pretty consistent really. Probably could have made a decent F2 run with what I had, but I don’t have room for breeding right now. I still have 5 seeds of CNC to go through. Just wanted to see some of what I had and not dedicate an entire run to mystery plants.

I’m currently flowering a pack of Texas butter by greenpoint. Got 7 females outta 10 seeds!! Makes for a lot of work though. I see one pretty weak plant out of the seed run. But as before, I probably won’t eliminate any of them until I see a clone run finish. There are some real frosty phenos in that pack though! I’ll have a clone run of half the phenos flowering in a couple weeks. The other phenos will be a bit behind those.

Just popped 6 Jelly Pie. All six are doing well so far, two days above the soil. Looking for a nice hybrid between the parents.

Bodega bubblegum is next on the germinate list from greenpoint.

If you need some cloning tips, just message me. I can get you 100% results with an aeroponic cloner.

Dude I made my own aero clone and can NOT get that thing on point.... any help would be awesome!

 

[ShLUbY]

Dude I made my own aero clone and can NOT get that thing on point.... any help would be awesome!

RO water, clonex bottle nutrient solution, and ful-power (probably don't even need the ful-power). for my cloner, it's a 5 gal bucket that holds 3 gal of water when loaded full. I run clonex nutrient at 20ml per gallon, and ful-power at 20ml per gal. comes out at perfect pH every time. no water changes for an entire clone run. just make sure the water doesn't get warm from the pump. point a fan at the bucket if you have to.

 

[Smiffy2k9]

looks like some N def. goin on for sure... possibly a little underwatering as well. small fabs like that will evaporate water quickly. Personally, I would never use a fabric at that stage of growth, only plastic.

Yeah i missed filling the res a couple of times, first time using sips havent got it down yet, i need to upgrade to a bigger res. They are autos so i prefer not to transplant them.

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

RO water, clonex bottle nutrient solution, and ful-power (probably don't even need the ful-power). for my cloner, it's a 5 gal bucket that holds 3 gal of water when loaded full. I run clonex nutrient at 20ml per gallon, and ful-power at 20ml per gal. comes out at perfect pH every time. no water changes for an entire clone run. just make sure the water doesn't get warm from the pump. point a fan at the bucket if you have to.

sweet! I will try this out! thanks man!

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

RO water, clonex bottle nutrient solution, and ful-power (probably don't even need the ful-power). for my cloner, it's a 5 gal bucket that holds 3 gal of water when loaded full. I run clonex nutrient at 20ml per gallon, and ful-power at 20ml per gal. comes out at perfect pH every time. no water changes for an entire clone run. just make sure the water doesn't get warm from the pump. point a fan at the bucket if you have to.

hmm ful power appears to be a humic acid product that is used to make nutes in soils more available.. I think you are right in that you dont need that (not that I would change what you are doing if its working though lol) screw it I will try it as you stated and see how it goes... it can't go worse then my last attempt lol. I can grow some killer buds but I cant seem to clone consistently to save my life!

 

[Tim Fox]

@Tim Fox Appreciate the reply. That second plant in there would most likely cut my veg time in half, filling that 4x4. If you have yet to have any issues, I'm certainly going to give two a try.

yup, you have my word, i do 2 plants in my earthbox and or my grow box and they rock and roll, i never saw one plant take over or crush the other one in any way

 

[ShLUbY]

hmm ful power appears to be a humic acid product that is used to make nutes in soils more available.. I think you are right in that you dont need that (not that I would change what you are doing if its working though lol) screw it I will try it as you stated and see how it goes... it can't go worse then my last attempt lol. I can grow some killer buds but I cant seem to clone consistently to save my life!

i tried it in the cloner because they bottle has cloning and hydroponic applications... so i figured why not. but that's been a recent addition. before I would just use the clonex and it worked great. just keep the pH around 5.5-6.0 and you'll be in good shape.

 

[Jesusgrowsmygrass]

I got a question about my 8" wick, would this be too large of a wicking point? The totes I am using are Costco 27 gallon standard issue (same as the depot), I plan on making a 6" tall PVC sub-frame to hold the cut down lid in place over the reservoir holding 5" of surplus water, (hopefully) this structure will house one fill tube and one tube for a floating level indicator.

Here is the picture of the basket in place, also should I drill holes in the upper couple of inches of the basket where it is solid Picture attached?


I plan on growing one plant per tote for now. There is a strong possibility in the future each tote would house two plants. I am putting 4 totes in a 5'x5' tent with plenty of quantum boards.

Is my wick ratio correct with a 8" round, 6" tall basket center mounted on a pvc sub frame in a 27 gallon tote? I have not cut down the lid yet to fit down in the tote.

Tote size:

• Exterior dimensions (at top of tote) 28.55 in. L x 19.61 in. W x 15.27 in. H
• Interior dimensions (at bottom of tote) 23.5 in. L x 14.5 in. W x 13 in. H

Basket:
http://www.dlwholesale.com/hydroponics/908118-8-mesh-pot-bucket-lid.asp?catid=A80156DF4C7B4A2A897B1AD7ED30DDC3

Top Opening 8"
height 6" from bottom of oversized lip
Bottom: 6.5"

 

[smokinokie]

I got a question about my 8" wick, would this be too large of a wicking point? The totes I am using are Costco 27 gallon standard issue (same as the depot), I plan on making a 6" tall PVC sub-frame to hold the cut down lid in place over the reservoir holding 5" of surplus water, (hopefully) this structure will house one fill tube and one tube for a floating level indicator.

View attachment 4301578 Here is the picture of the basket in place, also should I drill holes in the upper couple of inches of the basket where it is solid Picture attached?


I plan on growing one plant per tote for now. There is a strong possibility in the future each tote would house two plants. I am putting 4 totes in a 5'x5' tent with plenty of quantum boards.

Is my wick ratio correct with a 8" round, 6" tall basket center mounted on a pvc sub frame in a 27 gallon tote? I have not cut down the lid yet to fit down in the tote.

Tote size:

• Exterior dimensions (at top of tote) 28.55 in. L x 19.61 in. W x 15.27 in. H
• Interior dimensions (at bottom of tote) 23.5 in. L x 14.5 in. W x 13 in. H

Basket:
http://www.dlwholesale.com/hydroponics/908118-8-mesh-pot-bucket-lid.asp?catid=A80156DF4C7B4A2A897B1AD7ED30DDC3

Top Opening 8"
height 6" from bottom of oversized lip
Bottom: 6.5"

I used that space on net cup as indicator of 1" air gap. I don't believe water will be above the slots in net cup anyways.

 

[Jesusgrowsmygrass]

Is a 8" net cup reasonable, if not preferable size for 27 gallon tote? If not would two 6" pots be better? I have been reading through this thread and a lot of others and read you do not want too much wick area. Just trying to make my first sip going to be problem free.

 

[Lrn2Yield]

I got a question about my 8" wick, would this be too large of a wicking point? The totes I am using are Costco 27 gallon standard issue (same as the depot), I plan on making a 6" tall PVC sub-frame to hold the cut down lid in place over the reservoir holding 5" of surplus water, (hopefully) this structure will house one fill tube and one tube for a floating level indicator.

View attachment 4301578 Here is the picture of the basket in place, also should I drill holes in the upper couple of inches of the basket where it is solid Picture attached?


I plan on growing one plant per tote for now. There is a strong possibility in the future each tote would house two plants. I am putting 4 totes in a 5'x5' tent with plenty of quantum boards.

Is my wick ratio correct with a 8" round, 6" tall basket center mounted on a pvc sub frame in a 27 gallon tote? I have not cut down the lid yet to fit down in the tote.

Tote size:

• Exterior dimensions (at top of tote) 28.55 in. L x 19.61 in. W x 15.27 in. H
• Interior dimensions (at bottom of tote) 23.5 in. L x 14.5 in. W x 13 in. H

Basket:
http://www.dlwholesale.com/hydroponics/908118-8-mesh-pot-bucket-lid.asp?catid=A80156DF4C7B4A2A897B1AD7ED30DDC3

Top Opening 8"
height 6" from bottom of oversized lip
Bottom: 6.5"

Hey there, I just finished building my sip with basically the same tote, and same size 8” wick as you did. I haven’t grown in these containers yet, so can’t say for certain that this is the ideal sized wick size and from what I’ve read there is a lot of different opinions on which size is best. Are you going to be cutting the inside of the lid out and sit this portion of the lid on your PVC subframe in the bottom of the tote? Net pot sitting about 5 or 6” in the Rez? If I start my grow before you do, I will let you know how the 8” wick works though. I’ve seen similar builds with smaller and larger wicks so it’s all trial and error until we find what works best.

I built mine using two totes, cutting the hole for the wick out of the bottom of one tote, which sits on two lengths of 3/4” conduit which runs through the other tote. The 3/4” conduit OD is an inch so this gives me my 1” air gap and drilled drain holes just below the pvc so I maintain the 1” gap when filling. I also have a sight tube marked where the 1” air gap starts. Whatever water level is in the tub, shows in the tube. Also drilled two air holes on either end of the tote in that 1” air gap.

Kind of a rushed reply, as I’m just on my way out but I will Clairfy anything for you if need be.​