Smoking high-strength cannabis may damage nerve fibres in brain

9leaves

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thats horrible. assuming a low dose of 325mg is near 8000mg
that could easily shut down a liver...ive seen it... dont continue it. tylenol has long term effects as well.

i remember a few years back when i was fighting for vicodin to lower and now we just have norco at 10/325 the most common pain rx..cant stand the stuff
and last year the limits have gone lower on daily limit, and pill size

tylenol is horrible at even low doses..
Each of the 24 tabs was 500mg. Tolerance is my issue. It happens a little fast. Is it not true that green tea and oranges lowers your tollerance to mj?
 

qwizoking

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you dont gain a tolerance to these effects. same with cocaine or something and its ion properties

tylenol gets metabolized in your liver, mainly by the cyp450 group like cyp3a4 (immediately recognized by most, especially opiate users..metabolizes many things, effected by grapefruit)

the product is extremely toxic to liver tissue. and damages long term




honestly i would have some tests ran and check the status of your liver
 

qwizoking

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no it will not lower tolerance.
it could lower the required dosage but not raise maximal effect.

idk what in green tea specifically would, would have to look into it if that holds. but oranges.. sure.. so will messing with liver enzymes:)
 

9leaves

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I remember that the citric acid from oranges improves concentration. If you eat oranges during a school class it will be easier to remember stuff. I need to research it more as well.

Thank you
 

Hilary

Member
treating a psychological problem with cannabis is a little different though...

good luck
There have been a few clinical studies using CBD oil to treat Schizophrenia. It worked just as well as the European standard drug of choice, amisulpride, for Schizophrenia, but without the side-effects.

http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/08/30/cannabidiol-cbd-may-reduce-psychotic-symptoms-of-schizophrenia/

Now I'm trying to help my son through a psychotic episode using CBD oil. I just hope it's helping to counteract the 'Invega Sustenna' long-term shot that he received over my vehement objections. He's terribly miserable and anxious. I'm hoping the CBD oil is helping. He has improved somewhat since our ER visit over the drugs side effects.
 

gb123

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There have been a few clinical studies using CBD oil to treat Schizophrenia. It worked just as well as the European standard drug of choice, amisulpride, for Schizophrenia, but without the side-effects.

http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/08/30/cannabidiol-cbd-may-reduce-psychotic-symptoms-of-schizophrenia/

Now I'm trying to help my son through a psychotic episode using CBD oil. I just hope it's helping to counteract the 'Invega Sustenna' long-term shot that he received over my vehement objections. He's terribly miserable and anxious. I'm hoping the CBD oil is helping. He has improved somewhat since our ER visit over the drugs side effects.
Good luck I wish you all the best!!!!
 

9leaves

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I'm finding out new stuff minute by minute. Thanks for your support.
Praying for you and your son. Hope all goes well. Was there any thought of treating him with the entire plant. I know when I have lots of reall bad things. Meaning mental and pysical. Smoking takes care of all of them at once. Big light switch turn off. Just like that. I'm not even talking getting high or messed up in any form. Just enough to help. Then if it wears off a little more. If I do that all day I can be normal. That is saying a lot because I'm really sick. My list. Vertigo, Meniere's disease, Clinical depression, Anxiety, Then rage for the kicker. The rage gets scary if I don't take a pill. The only way I can describe that is have your adrinealine go from zero to red line in a second without warning. There is just so many things that make it up. Its hard to explain. One description I can think of. Psychopathic cold emotionless killer. It could be considered as a form of PTSD. I need to be real careful I don't hurt somebody. I do what I can. I have a doctor monitoring it. I just need to stop messing up my cureing to get better stuff. Since scripts don't stop it they try to slow it. I just need to smoke more all day. Its funny both could put me in jail. AH!
 

cannadan

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Hi 9 leaves...
I would lke to just add one thing here....and its to do with lipitor....
if you are experiencing pain...especially muscular...you should maybe get them to try a different cholesterol med...
Lipitor and crestor for that matter in my experience cause muscle pain and wasting...and for some of us...big time...
Good luck
 

9leaves

Well-Known Member
Hi 9 leaves...
I would lke to just add one thing here....and its to do with lipitor....
if you are experiencing pain...especially muscular...you should maybe get them to try a different cholesterol med...
Lipitor and crestor for that matter in my experience cause muscle pain and wasting...and for some of us...big time...
Good luck
In the new year I will make a doctor appointment. Thank you so much!:lol: I did forget to mention Chronic pain. If that solves that I will be so happy. :clap:

Thank you Happy New years.
 

Hilary

Member
Praying for you and your son. .... Clinical depression, Anxiety, Then rage for the kicker. The rage gets scary .... It could be considered as a form of PTSD. I need to be real careful I don't hurt somebody... I just need to stop messing up my cureing to get better stuff. Since scripts don't stop it they try to slow it. I just need to smoke more all day. Its funny both could put me in jail. AH!
Thanks for the prayers. I keep hoping it will help. My son's even praying now - that's something he hasn't done in 15 years. Now he's worried about us (his parents) dying. We've been there for him every time he got into trouble. But now he's started to wonder what would happen if we weren't there. He's scared now. If the folks at RMH would have kept him in the hospital and given him another shot of Invega, I think he would have killed himself.

I managed to get him an appt with a Psychiatrist yesterday. This Dr. is one of the few who are well versed in alternative healthcare, but he will also prescribe standard psychotropic drugs, if it seems warranted. He gave my son a prescription for Prozac, which he thought would probably help with the depression while the effects of the Invega wear off. It actually worked like a charm last night. But this morning he reported a rather sleepless night with zero dreams, and feeling bad again. I guess that's better than the nightmares he's been having, but still not normal. After another Prozac, a trip to the gym, and breakfast, he got much better for a little while. But now he's back in the dumps again, wondering whether life is worth living.

He has many of the same problems that you do - depression, anxiety, and the rage, which is scary for all of us. I have often thought he could easily become a headline one day. He's starting to realize that his method of getting what he wants through being tough, unrelenting, and strong-willed isn't working any more. But he doesn't have the skills or tools he needs to relate to people. He got evicted from his apartment, got served a restraining order (again), suspended from school for a year, and didn't get a part time job that he wanted. Now he's living with his parents again, with nothing to do. It's sad.

He just tried some new CBD vape oil with nicotine. It also seems to help a little bit - but not enough.

It's too bad that the weed everyone smokes now is so unbalanced in favor of high THC being the 'gold standard'. It's not gold - at least not for some of us. Resin needs the CBD to balance out the negative side effects of the THC.
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
That is true and one very messed up side affect lol
I'm not so sure its messed up..you do have the odd dream but nothing like what that you have without burning...
Anyone who ever took a break would realize this...The dreams return and can be extremely vivid...
 

GrowRock

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Thanks for the prayers. I keep hoping it will help. My son's even praying now - that's something he hasn't done in 15 years. Now he's worried about us (his parents) dying. We've been there for him every time he got into trouble. But now he's started to wonder what would happen if we weren't there. He's scared now. If the folks at RMH would have kept him in the hospital and given him another shot of Invega, I think he would have killed himself.

I managed to get him an appt with a Psychiatrist yesterday. This Dr. is one of the few who are well versed in alternative healthcare, but he will also prescribe standard psychotropic drugs, if it seems warranted. He gave my son a prescription for Prozac, which he thought would probably help with the depression while the effects of the Invega wear off. It actually worked like a charm last night. But this morning he reported a rather sleepless night with zero dreams, and feeling bad again. I guess that's better than the nightmares he's been having, but still not normal. After another Prozac, a trip to the gym, and breakfast, he got much better for a little while. But now he's back in the dumps again, wondering whether life is worth living.

He has many of the same problems that you do - depression, anxiety, and the rage, which is scary for all of us. I have often thought he could easily become a headline one day. He's starting to realize that his method of getting what he wants through being tough, unrelenting, and strong-willed isn't working any more. But he doesn't have the skills or tools he needs to relate to people. He got evicted from his apartment, got served a restraining order (again), suspended from school for a year, and didn't get a part time job that he wanted. Now he's living with his parents again, with nothing to do. It's sad.

He just tried some new CBD vape oil with nicotine. It also seems to help a little bit - but not enough.

It's too bad that the weed everyone smokes now is so unbalanced in favor of high THC being the 'gold standard'. It's not gold - at least not for some of us. Resin needs the CBD to balance out the negative side effects of the THC.
Sorry to hear about your son. I have lost family and friends to mental illness and have suffered the ups and downs myself. Terrible thing to watch. Have you ever looked into haveing your sons biochemistry and neurotransmitters tested so you can see what your sons brain might actually be lacking or producing way to much of. There is a company called pharmasan labs in the states that your doctor will have to request the test from they ship to you ups. Follow instructions which are straight forward its a siliva and urine test. Then ship it back. It takes app. 3 weeks to get results but well worth it. This is a wonderful tool to get a base line of what is actually happening in your sons brain. Instead of just a doctor listening to the symptoms and making his or her opinion of diagnosis. In my own experience most of the pills they give you for anxiety and depression are just a bandaid to get a person by the really rough times. If you want to fix a problem you have to find the root of the problem. Which is normally a chemical inbalance of some sort. The test cost approx $550.00

All the best to you and yours in the new year. Stay strong peace
 

The Hippy

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Thanks for the prayers. I keep hoping it will help. My son's even praying now - that's something he hasn't done in 15 years. Now he's worried about us (his parents) dying. We've been there for him every time he got into trouble. But now he's started to wonder what would happen if we weren't there. He's scared now. If the folks at RMH would have kept him in the hospital and given him another shot of Invega, I think he would have killed himself.

I managed to get him an appt with a Psychiatrist yesterday. This Dr. is one of the few who are well versed in alternative healthcare, but he will also prescribe standard psychotropic drugs, if it seems warranted. He gave my son a prescription for Prozac, which he thought would probably help with the depression while the effects of the Invega wear off. It actually worked like a charm last night. But this morning he reported a rather sleepless night with zero dreams, and feeling bad again. I guess that's better than the nightmares he's been having, but still not normal. After another Prozac, a trip to the gym, and breakfast, he got much better for a little while. But now he's back in the dumps again, wondering whether life is worth living.

He has many of the same problems that you do - depression, anxiety, and the rage, which is scary for all of us. I have often thought he could easily become a headline one day. He's starting to realize that his method of getting what he wants through being tough, unrelenting, and strong-willed isn't working any more. But he doesn't have the skills or tools he needs to relate to people. He got evicted from his apartment, got served a restraining order (again), suspended from school for a year, and didn't get a part time job that he wanted. Now he's living with his parents again, with nothing to do. It's sad.

He just tried some new CBD vape oil with nicotine. It also seems to help a little bit - but not enough.

It's too bad that the weed everyone smokes now is so unbalanced in favor of high THC being the 'gold standard'. It's not gold - at least not for some of us. Resin needs the CBD to balance out the negative side effects of the THC.
You have my deepest concern for your Son. It's a terrible merry-go-round your on right now I'm sure.
I hope somehow you find the right product to help him. Best Wishes.
 
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