Soil Food Web Gardening with Compost Teas

trichome fiend

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Jew
...I used the guanos and the sorts into my teas in the past, I no longer do...here's what my little books says about it:

What AACT is not

Do not confuse actively aerated compost tea with compost leachates, compost extracts, or manure teas, all of which have been employed by farmers and gardeners for centuries.

Compost leachate is the liquid that oozes out of compost when it is pressed or when water runs through it and leaches out. Sure, these concoctions get a bit of color and may have some nutrient value, but leachates do little to impart microbial life to your soils: the bacteria and fungi in compost are attached to organic matter and soil particles with biological glues; they don't simply wash off.
Compost extract is what you get when you soak compost in water for a couple weeks or more. The end result is an anaerobic soup with perhaps a bit of aerobic activity on the surface. The loss of aerobic microbial diversity alone (not to mention the risk of it's containing anaerobic pathogens and alcohols) suggests that compost extracts are not worth the effort. We don't consider it safe or advisable to use them.
Manure tea, created by suspending a bag of manure in water for several weeks, is also anaerobic. Using manure is asking fro pathogenic problems and, especially under anaerobic conditions, virtually assures the presence of E.coli. We want the beneficial microbes to be working in our soils and to get these; you have to keep things aerobic.
 

Da Almighty Jew

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Jew
...I used the guanos and the sorts into my teas in the past, I no longer do...here's what my little books says about it:

What AACT is not

Do not confuse actively aerated compost tea with compost leachates, compost extracts, or manure teas, all of which have been employed by farmers and gardeners for centuries.

Compost leachate is the liquid that oozes out of compost when it is pressed or when water runs through it and leaches out. Sure, these concoctions get a bit of color and may have some nutrient value, but leachates do little to impart microbial life to your soils: the bacteria and fungi in compost are attached to organic matter and soil particles with biological glues; they don't simply wash off.
Compost extract is what you get when you soak compost in water for a couple weeks or more. The end result is an anaerobic soup with perhaps a bit of aerobic activity on the surface. The loss of aerobic microbial diversity alone (not to mention the risk of it's containing anaerobic pathogens and alcohols) suggests that compost extracts are not worth the effort. We don't consider it safe or advisable to use them.
Manure tea, created by suspending a bag of manure in water for several weeks, is also anaerobic. Using manure is asking fro pathogenic problems and, especially under anaerobic conditions, virtually assures the presence of E.coli. We want the beneficial microbes to be working in our soils and to get these; you have to keep things aerobic.
I know what i make is not technically an aact its more of a custom made fertilizer equipped with live ammunition :) I dont see how bubbling guano without molasses could cause anything to become anaerobic....... Besides after i bubble i then add molasses and bubble more so that should create the bennies to multiply and become aerobic if anything.
 

Da Almighty Jew

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i know the new school train of thought is to bubble everything no matter what to keep it aerobic. But alot of this tea making goes into unchartered territory and i think its ignorant to not explore certain tea making practices simply because we dont know exactly how it works or what happens.. Especially when the less explored tea styles could create better results.
 

trichome fiend

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...imo, it's best to mix your guanos/manures and blood/bone into your soil, keep it moist and let it sit around for a month or two before you use it...here's something for ya....

....this from ----> http://www.microbeorganics.com/

I'm adding a couple more video clips here; all brews were 2.4% vermicompost with 0.50% black strap molasses and nothing else. [er...except water]

...from his experiments, most other additives can actually inhibit the soil food web....he knows this by using his bad ass microscope.


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wyteboi

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I started a thread but i should of asked my question here.

Ok, so i want to make a bone meal, blood meal and guano tea. I have been doing alot of reading and im not quite sure how to prepare this yet. Would letting all the ingredients sit in water together cause some type of bad bacteria to form? I know people recommend to let it sit in water im just wondering if the ingredients are combined and sat in water if that would do any harm? Also im thinking bubbling the ingredients in water for a few days would be better than letting it sit in water, would do you think?

So my plan, bubble some bone,blood,guano for two days. then add tablespoon of molasses and bubble 2 morre days. How does this sound? Is this the correct way to make this type of tea?
im not really sure i have the answer your lookin for. but i think its cool to put the meals and compost/molasses in all together. i have done it a million times. Now days just for the fuck of it , i only use castings, sugar an a tiny bit of liquid karma. (didnt buy it, gotta use it) then once my tea is brewed i will add the NPK, and or the micros.

i like to use all my powders in or on the soil. a lot of the powders will get "stuck" in the tea brewer , not enough to care about, but also i dont think the microbes really eat much of it in the tea anyways, they are too busy breeding and eating there food of choice.(carbs)

sorry guys , i didnt see this was already answered.

soil :joint:
 

Da Almighty Jew

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im not really sure i have the answer your lookin for. but i think its cool to put the meals and compost/molasses in all together. i have done it a million times. Now days just for the fuck of it , i only use castings, sugar an a tiny bit of liquid karma. (didnt buy it, gotta use it) then once my tea is brewed i will add the NPK, and or the micros.

i like to use all my powders in or on the soil. a lot of the powders will get "stuck" in the tea brewer , not enough to care about, but also i dont think the microbes really eat much of it in the tea anyways, they are too busy breeding and eating there food of choice.(carbs)

sorry guys , i didnt see this was already answered.

soil :joint:
thanks. I went ahead and top dressed my plants also. they are in 3gal pots so i gave them each 1 tbls psb guano, blood meal and bone meal. I did this because i know its proably the next best way to apply rather than applying it in the very beginning.. This should do them very good :)
 

wyteboi

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if you guys would just loan me the 3 grand for the scope i will happily do all the studies :mrgreen:


soil :joint:
 

RawBudzski

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What about letting buckets of compost tea sit for months and months, with no forced bubbles. People say it goes anaerobic & is bad, but I have a couple buddies who say if done correctly it will bubble on its own slowly. I have never smoked anything as sticky,& racy.

So what about when people did not have air pumps & were making types of "teas" simply by letting a big pool of organic material rot.
 

trichome fiend

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What about letting buckets of compost tea sit for months and months, with no forced bubbles. People say it goes anaerobic & is bad, but I have a couple buddies who say if done correctly it will bubble on its own slowly. I have never smoked anything as sticky,& racy.

So what about when people did not have air pumps & were making types of "teas" simply by letting a big pool of organic material rot.
...the organic nerds say:

What AACT is not

Do not confuse actively aerated compost tea with compost leachates, compost extracts, or manure teas, all of which have been employed by farmers and gardeners for centuries.
Compost leachate is the liquid that oozes out of compost when it is pressed or when water runs through it and leaches out. Sure, these concoctions get a bit of color and may have some nutrient value, but leachates do little to impart microbial life to your soils: the bacteria and fungi in compost are attached to organic matter and soil particles with biological glues; they don't simply wash off.

Compost extract is what you get when you soak compost in water for a couple weeks or more. The end result is an anaerobic soup with perhaps a bit of aerobic activity on the surface. The loss of aerobic microbial diversity alone (not to mention the risk of it's containing anaerobic pathogens and alcohols) suggests that compost extracts are not worth the effort. We don't consider it safe or advisable to use them.
Manure tea, created by suspending a bag of manure in water for several weeks, is also anaerobic. Using manure is asking fro pathogenic problems and, especially under anaerobic conditions, virtually assures the presence of E.coli. We want the beneficial microbes to be working in our soils and to get these; you have to keep things aerobic.
 

Da Almighty Jew

Well-Known Member
...the organic nerds say:

The loss of aerobic microbial diversity alone (not to mention the risk of it's containing anaerobic pathogens and alcohols) suggests that compost extracts are not worth the effort. We don't consider it safe or advisable to use them.
Manure tea, created by suspending a bag of manure in water for several weeks, is also anaerobic. Using manure is asking fro pathogenic problems and, especially under anaerobic conditions, virtually assures the presence of E.coli. We want the beneficial microbes to be working in our soils and to get these; you have to keep things aerobic.
We know that its best to keep it aerobic after reading teaming with microbes. But what i am simply saying is that more research needs to be done on these before its lumped into the category of BAD TO USE. Especially like how you mentioned that farmers have been using these methods for centuries.
 

trichome fiend

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We know that its best to keep it aerobic after reading teaming with microbes. But what i am simply saying is that more research needs to be done on these before its lumped into the category of BAD TO USE. Especially like how you mentioned that farmers have been using these methods for centuries.
...I'm just quote'n the book...
 

cindysid

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This will be a really stinky mess. You might get away with the bone meal and guano.....maybe....but the blood meal is going to stink to high heaven, like death!
 

wyteboi

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We know that its best to keep it aerobic after reading teaming with microbes. But what i am simply saying is that more research needs to be done on these before its lumped into the category of BAD TO USE. Especially like how you mentioned that farmers have been using these methods for centuries.
this WHOLE "organic gardening" needs more research and studies. i been sayin this. there are hundreds of species of fungus and bacterias that are good for plants but yet we can only half ass describe what 5 of them are and what exactly they do.

the idea of anaerobic teas is not bad at all , thats why farmers been doing it. and my guess is that the good that comes out of it and the goodness of the earth will overcome the "bad" bacteria in the tea. most of us just know that there can be bad shit in the anaerobic shit so we stay away from it.

i cant wait till all the studies around the world start comin in , in the bulk. i already use EM and i have to brew it completely anaerobically or it will go bad. its breaks down organic matter faster when starting with EM , but its not until the aerobic bacterias get to it.

when you ferment your table scraps with EM in a anaerobic environment for a couple weeks , then put the shit into the ground , it will be gone in just a couple weeks.
i believe em uses LAB (lactic acid bacteria) , yeast, and uh... i cant remember the third bacteria. ok i googled it , photosythetic bacteria.


soil
 

blueJ

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I beefed up my soilless mix & standardized it so i know what the hell is really going on :D

In veg i've been getting away with NO bottled....anything!

In flower i alternate nutes / teas BUT i am trying these two ladies with JUST ACT's to see how my yields stack up. Here's my simple tea:

5 gal water
20 - 30ml molasses
1 cup compost or EWC
1/2 cup alfalfa meal



Ladies love it!!

Anyone using CAPS bennies? I've been meaning to order them, but my ebay account is jacked up....
 

Rrog

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Maybe easy on the Alfalfa during flower. Serious Nitrogen might hermie or burn the ladies.
 

blueJ

Active Member
Thanks & that's what i think/thought but I've seen some major big grows using this tea (pluse CAPS bennies) right up till the 8th week of flower, i stop @ two weeks before chop with the tea and will be monitoring strains to see how they respond, so far it = no more N deficiencies, lush green growth all the way through & large budset. Happy with the results, but closely monitoring as i'm not used to so much N in mid even late flower, but results have only been positive & I had always struggled with proper N in flower.
 

Rrog

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Having the N available isn't so much the issue. SuperSoil is loaded with it and plenty to spare when done. But it's locked away (stored) from the plant to keep it from harm, then fed to the plant as it needs it. The Alfalfa, blood meal, urine, etc is high, raw Nitrogen. Just have to go careful.
 
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