Some advice on pk13/14 please.

tyke1973

tyke1973

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Get a Ec ppm c.f. Pen ,and I send you a feeding Guide.I work in Ec ,but my feeding sced, was given to me from a grower ,that is still growing in his mid 60s .I help him out with vast amount of it,He donates most of his stuff in Oil form to those that really need it.Its his last grow this year .Be a sad day ,he learnt me So much.I put it on now so any one else interested can try it out.From
Clone ,Has soon has they have Legs 1.1 Ec for a week.Seedlings has soon has they have there first true leaves ,0.5 Ec for a week.just Canna a/b
Week 2 ~ Clones 1.2 Ec Seedlings 1.1ec
Week 3 ~ Clones 1.3 Ec Seedlings 1.2 Ec
Week 3 ~ Clones 1.3 Ec Seedlings 1.3 Ec
Week 4 ~ Clones 1.4 Ec Seedlings 1.3 Ec
Keep them on this till they are ready to flip.
Only Canna a/b,unless you have plants that don't look too good ,then Rhizatonic,along with Canna a/b
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Flowering
Week 1 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec
Week 2 ~ Canna a/b,Big Bud Advanced 1.4
Week 3 ~ Canna a/b Big Bud 1.4 Ec
Week 4 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec
Week 5 ~ Canna a/b ,Pk 13/14 .1.4 e.c
Week 6 ~ Canna a/b,1.4 Ec.
Week 7 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec.
Week 8 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec.
Final week I Flush,but some don't so I leave that up to you.Just keep on 1.4 till there ready to flush.If you are Hand watering make sure you let the Coco dry out before each water.
 
Dr. Who

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Lucky Luke said:
Yea, I just used it 5 mins ago in fact.
I'm in soil.
I've only been playing with PK for 12 months or so and I'm still getting used to it. I think its best used about 2 weeks into switch. Again around mid flower and then with 2 weeks to go. I use a ml per litre except for the last one which is at 25ml for 10 litres.
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Vlkk said:
My technique is to use pk 13/14 as starting pk supplment at the two - three weeks into flowering and then switching to HNG's shooting powder , works great with the oil production products like AN Bud factor x or bud candy or epsom salts, anything you can imagine.... that will make your buds dense asf
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Hey Luke, how's things?

Anyway, let me drop a bit of wisdom on you "booster" guys a bit here.....Ok?

Elevating P after the stretch has some good effects on cannabis production but, Most PK boosters, boost too much! While they do appear to work and with some nutrient lines, they are formulated for that lines schedule...NOT for use with other nutrient lines!
Effective P boosting IS right at the light flip but, in smaller amounts then these high P/K boosters.... I have come to really like a 4-6-6 NPK ratio as my base ratio for N hungry strains in bloom. Reduce the N by 25% for normal N feeders and about another 12.5% for strains that don't like having too much N at all. This is supplemented with some Mg sulfate and a 6% K sulfate (started right before the flip) This is boosting the K in that ratio to about 10-12%......These supplements are stopped at week 6-7 and all my runs go out to around 10 weeks or more.....Why I stop these then follows in a bit.

Last cpl of weeks the feeding is halved and the last it's simply water.....There is enough nutrient left in my soil to carry them out from here. I do not reduce or stop nutrient to attempt to effect any flavor or smoking "quality"..... Simply to reduce nutrient/run costs.

Oh you can make them sort of work but, let me give you some insight into the stuff.

The P is doing more for making the bloom period a shorter run time (per most scheduled nutrient lines) BUT, your paying a high price for that by NOT getting a quality, complete or proper finish! It is not doing as much for increasing bud size or any other claim by the nutrient maker over making your plant yellow out and finish too soon......
Yes, you can "stall" that by increasing the N but, your only hurting the quality of the finish again, by doing that....high N reduces THC concentrations in the finished product.

K....Ok, here is where you maybe getting a boost to the bud size and density.....That is......You MUST stop it's use at least 2 weeks before you harvest! K and Mg use in late bloom will also reduce THC production and final THC concentrations in the material! I find it as "odd" that some companies push "booster" products that are FOR those last few weeks! They don't use their bloom science from cannabis testing....This is for blooming flowers, NOT for cannabis production...

For the most part. Nutrient makers are selling you a bill of goods on the use of boosters or even worse, MPK or "shooting powders".

Why aren't these actual facts given or written about? Hell, I don't know.....Book writers want to sell books. If they wrote one thing and some years later they find out they were wrong....They're NOT going to admit it and tell you.....They want you to buy the damn book still...MONEY is king!

Same for nutrient makers. These guys are the WORST! They sell you a load of BULL SHIT and promise you the world! actual facts are totally different things!

If AN says something - LAUGH
If High Times writes it - LAUGH

Now temper your use with the knowledge I gave you and increase your final quality to closer to actual potentials......I grow for the "potentials" of the pheno of the strain I'm running..


Before someone cries about Hese or Canna.......I have to admit, they do schedule their PK "booster" use to pretty good effect. I run longer then they say to. I get better quality results that way....Their lines tend to finish a bit quicker then I like.....The high PK when I ran them, was stopped a week before they said too...
Like I said, they're lines work pretty good if you follow their time line....Yet you'll still have trouble with some strains that need more or less of some things...

Peace
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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No matter what strain i run i use the same feed sced,and they all ways do ok,The only difference is in the final weight with clones v seeds i get more from clones.
 
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NoviceKing

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tyke1973 said:
Get a Ec ppm c.f. Pen ,and I send you a feeding Guide.I work in Ec ,but my feeding sced, was given to me from a grower ,that is still growing in his mid 60s .I help him out with vast amount of it,He donates most of his stuff in Oil form to those that really need it.Its his last grow this year .Be a sad day ,he learnt me So much.I put it on now so any one else interested can try it out.From
Clone ,Has soon has they have Legs 1.1 Ec for a week.Seedlings has soon has they have there first true leaves ,0.5 Ec for a week.just Canna a/b
Week 2 ~ Clones 1.2 Ec Seedlings 1.1ec
Week 3 ~ Clones 1.3 Ec Seedlings 1.2 Ec
Week 3 ~ Clones 1.3 Ec Seedlings 1.3 Ec
Week 4 ~ Clones 1.4 Ec Seedlings 1.3 Ec
Keep them on this till they are ready to flip.
Only Canna a/b,unless you have plants that don't look too good ,then Rhizatonic,along with Canna a/b
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Flowering
Week 1 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec
Week 2 ~ Canna a/b,Big Bud Advanced 1.4
Week 3 ~ Canna a/b Big Bud 1.4 Ec
Week 4 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec
Week 5 ~ Canna a/b ,Pk 13/14 .1.4 e.c
Week 6 ~ Canna a/b,1.4 Ec.
Week 7 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec.
Week 8 ~ Canna a/b 1.4 Ec.
Final week I Flush,but some don't so I leave that up to you.Just keep on 1.4 till there ready to flush.If you are Hand watering make sure you let the Coco dry out before each water.
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Thankyou very much for breaking it down for me and shame to hear about your freind sounds like a decent fellow, i will be sure to try and follow your guidlines! Quick question i was just about to order som big bud now i see that theres two the plain liquid fertilizer one and a coco one? Obviously its the coco one i need..
 
NoviceKing

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Dr. Who said:
Hey Luke, how's things?

Anyway, let me drop a bit of wisdom on you "booster" guys a bit here.....Ok?

Elevating P after the stretch has some good effects on cannabis production but, Most PK boosters, boost too much! While they do appear to work and with some nutrient lines, they are formulated for that lines schedule...NOT for use with other nutrient lines!
Effective P boosting IS right at the light flip but, in smaller amounts then these high P/K boosters.... I have come to really like a 4-6-6 NPK ratio as my base ratio for N hungry strains in bloom. Reduce the N by 25% for normal N feeders and about another 12.5% for strains that don't like having too much N at all. This is supplemented with some Mg sulfate and a 6% K sulfate (started right before the flip) This is boosting the K in that ratio to about 10-12%......These supplements are stopped at week 6-7 and all my runs go out to around 10 weeks or more.....Why I stop these then follows in a bit.

Last cpl of weeks the feeding is halved and the last it's simply water.....There is enough nutrient left in my soil to carry them out from here. I do not reduce or stop nutrient to attempt to effect any flavor or smoking "quality"..... Simply to reduce nutrient/run costs.

Oh you can make them sort of work but, let me give you some insight into the stuff.

The P is doing more for making the bloom period a shorter run time (per most scheduled nutrient lines) BUT, your paying a high price for that by NOT getting a quality, complete or proper finish! It is not doing as much for increasing bud size or any other claim by the nutrient maker over making your plant yellow out and finish too soon......
Yes, you can "stall" that by increasing the N but, your only hurting the quality of the finish again, by doing that....high N reduces THC concentrations in the finished product.

K....Ok, here is where you maybe getting a boost to the bud size and density.....That is......You MUST stop it's use at least 2 weeks before you harvest! K and Mg use in late bloom will also reduce THC production and final THC concentrations in the material! I find it as "odd" that some companies push "booster" products that are FOR those last few weeks! They don't use their bloom science from cannabis testing....This is for blooming flowers, NOT for cannabis production...

For the most part. Nutrient makers are selling you a bill of goods on the use of boosters or even worse, MPK or "shooting powders".

Why aren't these actual facts given or written about? Hell, I don't know.....Book writers want to sell books. If they wrote one thing and some years later they find out they were wrong....They're NOT going to admit it and tell you.....They want you to buy the damn book still...MONEY is king!

Same for nutrient makers. These guys are the WORST! They sell you a load of BULL SHIT and promise you the world! actual facts are totally different things!

If AN says something - LAUGH
If High Times writes it - LAUGH

Now temper your use with the knowledge I gave you and increase your final quality to closer to actual potentials......I grow for the "potentials" of the pheno of the strain I'm running..


Before someone cries about Hese or Canna.......I have to admit, they do schedule their PK "booster" use to pretty good effect. I run longer then they say to. I get better quality results that way....Their lines tend to finish a bit quicker then I like.....The high PK when I ran them, was stopped a week before they said too...
Like I said, they're lines work pretty good if you follow their time line....Yet you'll still have trouble with some strains that need more or less of some things...

Peace
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Jheez thats some heavy knowledge to take in, did you just type all that out in one go? Haha, thanks a lot for taking your time to comment tis much appreciated! Im thankful for all the guys on here dropping some decent wisdom on me and helping out means alot! I will be sure to take all in and put it to good use. And sorry if i miss understand so your saying its best to stick to one nutrient line and not to mix others into it like with me using canna nutes its best to stick to them and not throw anything else in?
 
Lucky Luke

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Dr. Who said:
Hey Luke, how's things?

Anyway, let me drop a bit of wisdom on you "booster" guys a bit here.....Ok?

Elevating P after the stretch has some good effects on cannabis production but, Most PK boosters, boost too much! While they do appear to work and with some nutrient lines, they are formulated for that lines schedule...NOT for use with other nutrient lines!
Effective P boosting IS right at the light flip but, in smaller amounts then these high P/K boosters.... I have come to really like a 4-6-6 NPK ratio as my base ratio for N hungry strains in bloom. Reduce the N by 25% for normal N feeders and about another 12.5% for strains that don't like having too much N at all. This is supplemented with some Mg sulfate and a 6% K sulfate (started right before the flip) This is boosting the K in that ratio to about 10-12%......These supplements are stopped at week 6-7 and all my runs go out to around 10 weeks or more.....Why I stop these then follows in a bit.

Last cpl of weeks the feeding is halved and the last it's simply water.....There is enough nutrient left in my soil to carry them out from here. I do not reduce or stop nutrient to attempt to effect any flavor or smoking "quality"..... Simply to reduce nutrient/run costs.

Oh you can make them sort of work but, let me give you some insight into the stuff.

The P is doing more for making the bloom period a shorter run time (per most scheduled nutrient lines) BUT, your paying a high price for that by NOT getting a quality, complete or proper finish! It is not doing as much for increasing bud size or any other claim by the nutrient maker over making your plant yellow out and finish too soon......
Yes, you can "stall" that by increasing the N but, your only hurting the quality of the finish again, by doing that....high N reduces THC concentrations in the finished product.

K....Ok, here is where you maybe getting a boost to the bud size and density.....That is......You MUST stop it's use at least 2 weeks before you harvest! K and Mg use in late bloom will also reduce THC production and final THC concentrations in the material! I find it as "odd" that some companies push "booster" products that are FOR those last few weeks! They don't use their bloom science from cannabis testing....This is for blooming flowers, NOT for cannabis production...

For the most part. Nutrient makers are selling you a bill of goods on the use of boosters or even worse, MPK or "shooting powders".

Why aren't these actual facts given or written about? Hell, I don't know.....Book writers want to sell books. If they wrote one thing and some years later they find out they were wrong....They're NOT going to admit it and tell you.....They want you to buy the damn book still...MONEY is king!

Same for nutrient makers. These guys are the WORST! They sell you a load of BULL SHIT and promise you the world! actual facts are totally different things!

If AN says something - LAUGH
If High Times writes it - LAUGH

Now temper your use with the knowledge I gave you and increase your final quality to closer to actual potentials......I grow for the "potentials" of the pheno of the strain I'm running..


Before someone cries about Hese or Canna.......I have to admit, they do schedule their PK "booster" use to pretty good effect. I run longer then they say to. I get better quality results that way....Their lines tend to finish a bit quicker then I like.....The high PK when I ran them, was stopped a week before they said too...
Like I said, they're lines work pretty good if you follow their time line....Yet you'll still have trouble with some strains that need more or less of some things...

Peace
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I'm well thanks mate, cheers for your thoughts on the subject. You always make allot of sense.
Keep in mind that I'm never feeding nutrients at full strength except for that one PK shot with two weeks to go- and then Im water only from there.
I think we all have different feeding regimes and environments so we all do things a little differently. I'm even lazier than some and even though I have plants in different stages of veg they all get the exact same feeding schedules.

Salts are salts though. Cannas PK13/14 is the same as any other PK13/14.
 
Dr. Who

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tyke1973 said:
What ya Running Dr who ,Any nice Photos of some dank
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Giggle: Haven't taken any new photo's in a while.....I'll get some tomorrow and a cpl a harvest bud shots today.....Post later..

Running 21 or 22 strains - all pheno picked or original clones from the breeder....

Original Short's Blueberry - Muffin cut
Original cutting of GG#4
Looks like, after way to many LONG years of trying - The original Blue Magoo - NOT the rebuild..
Kosher Kush - Jewish Gold cut
Bruce Banner - NICE medical cut....VERY calming! PTSD patients love it!
Gelato 33 - fucking insane cut
Dos-i-Dos....early in the first run - qualifying what it is yet
Skies Over Paris - I strongly suggest this strain
Ghost "cut" OG
OG - 18 early pheno, strong original OG smell and taste
Lucky Charms
GMO
Candy Land
Snow Ball - Really cool, ball shaped buds, totally buried in trich's....This is going to be a fine breeder.
Triangle Kush
"Cherry" Partner bred strain - in testing - insane cherry smells and taste
Sluricaine
Platinum Gorilla
9lb Bubba
91 chem dog - never quit running this and the Blueberry - GG#4 and Gelato too....
Last and not least - Sunday Driver

More new strain beans to be run coming up...... Including an exclusive.....what was that, 21?

Oh yeah, and Fruity Pebbles still too.

There, that's whats in the gardens as we speak...

update: lol .. FORGOT the Raspberry Underdog - pheno's 19 and 21..... Still deciding which one is best for my needs....AND Citral Flo - bitch'in Orange and Lime heavy pheno...POTENT too!

So then,,,24 strains right now. Most in various stages of veg... 12 in bloom, more to follow in 10 days..and 10 days and ,,,, well, you get the idea...:hug::weed::P
 
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Dr. Who

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Lucky Luke said:
I'm well thanks mate, cheers for your thoughts on the subject. You always make allot of sense.
Keep in mind that I'm never feeding nutrients at full strength except for that one PK shot with two weeks to go- and then Im water only from there.
I think we all have different feeding regimes and environments so we all do things a little differently. I'm even lazier than some and even though I have plants in different stages of veg they all get the exact same feeding schedules.

Salts are salts though. Cannas PK13/14 is the same as any other PK13/14.
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Straight up gotcha!

It's all about what works the best for you..
 
NoviceKing

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Dr. Who said:
Giggle: Haven't taken any new photo's in a while.....I'll get some tomorrow and a cpl a harvest bud shots today.....Post later..

Running 21 or 22 strains - all pheno picked or original clones from the breeder....

Original Short's Blueberry - Muffin cut
Original cutting of GG#4
Looks like, after way to many LONG years of trying - The original Blue Magoo - NOT the rebuild..
Kosher Kush - Jewish Gold cut
Bruce Banner - NICE medical cut....VERY calming! PTSD patients love it!
Gelato 33 - fucking insane cut
Dos-i-Dos....early in the first run - qualifying what it is yet
Skies Over Paris - I strongly suggest this strain
Ghost "cut" OG
OG - 18 early pheno, strong original OG smell and taste
Lucky Charms
GMO
Candy Land
Snow Ball - Really cool, ball shaped buds, totally buried in trich's....This is going to be a fine breeder.
Triangle Kush
"Cherry" Partner bred strain - in testing - insane cherry smells and taste
Sluricaine
Platinum Gorilla
9lb Bubba
91 chem dog - never quit running this and the Blueberry - GG#4 and Gelato too....
Last and not least - Sunday Driver

More new strain beans to be run coming up...... Including an exclusive.....what was that, 21?

Oh yeah, and Fruity Pebbles still too.

There, that's whats in the gardens as we speak...
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Sounds like you got some beautys on there bud! Just wanted some quick advice on defoliation, currently on week 3 of flower... plants are a litte bushy not sure if theyre too bushy?! Some of lower buds are a bit shaded. Im getting a lot of humidity i think its due to there being so many leaves and worried about not enough air getting in between the plants even thou i have 3 fans on them... would you recommend defoliation or not?
 

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NoviceKing said:
Sounds like you got some beautys on there bud! Just wanted some quick advice on defoliation, currently on week 3 of flower... plants are a litte bushy not sure if theyre too bushy?! Some of lower buds are a bit shaded. Im getting a lot of humidity i think its due to there being so many leaves and worried about not enough air getting in between the plants even thou i have 3 fans on them... would you recommend defoliation or not?
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NO, do not remove laves! leaves are the "food factories" of your plant!

Trust me here! I do no leaf removal till some strains begin to "fade" at the very end.

REASON: Buds do not really need light to form up....It is good for them to get light near the end to actually ripen properly.

With that in mind. You can always do a stepped harvest.....You harvest the ripe mains and leave the unripe lower buds to ripen and harden up...... You should find that these "second" harvested buds will be stronger and have more definition to the type of buzz you get....

Good luck!
 
Dr. Who

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Oh, and I don't "really" get "popcorn" buds.....
If any do form (from leaving too low a branching in the lolly popping), I simply harvest those and "cob" cure them.....

Search COB curing right here on this site, or Goggle if you prefer...

Here's a good link.....
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=309172

Read the later posts too.... I simply do a vacuum packer and some use simply parchment paper vs the Corn husk.... Come
's out about like good hash - potency wise.....(You're concentrating the volume of THC by compressing the material)
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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Dr. Who said:
Giggle: Haven't taken any new photo's in a while.....I'll get some tomorrow and a cpl a harvest bud shots today.....Post later..

Running 21 or 22 strains - all pheno picked or original clones from the breeder....

Original Short's Blueberry - Muffin cut
Original cutting of GG#4
Looks like, after way to many LONG years of trying - The original Blue Magoo - NOT the rebuild..
Kosher Kush - Jewish Gold cut
Bruce Banner - NICE medical cut....VERY calming! PTSD patients love it!
Gelato 33 - fucking insane cut
Dos-i-Dos....early in the first run - qualifying what it is yet
Skies Over Paris - I strongly suggest this strain
Ghost "cut" OG
OG - 18 early pheno, strong original OG smell and taste
Lucky Charms
GMO
Candy Land
Snow Ball - Really cool, ball shaped buds, totally buried in trich's....This is going to be a fine breeder.
Triangle Kush
"Cherry" Partner bred strain - in testing - insane cherry smells and taste
Sluricaine
Platinum Gorilla
9lb Bubba
91 chem dog - never quit running this and the Blueberry - GG#4 and Gelato too....
Last and not least - Sunday Driver

More new strain beans to be run coming up...... Including an exclusive.....what was that, 21?

Oh yeah, and Fruity Pebbles still too.

There, that's whats in the gardens as we speak...

update: lol .. FORGOT the Raspberry Underdog - pheno's 19 and 21..... Still deciding which one is best for my needs....AND Citral Flo - bitch'in Orange and Lime heavy pheno...POTENT too!

So then,,,24 strains right now. Most in various stages of veg... 12 in bloom, more to follow in 10 days..and 10 days and ,,,, well, the idea...:hug::weed::P
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Had a feeling ya would have been growing some fire bro ,sound pukka those
 
NoviceKing

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Dr. Who said:
NO, do not remove laves! leaves are the "food factories" of your plant!

Trust me here! I do no leaf removal till some strains begin to "fade" at the very end.

REASON: Buds do not really need light to form up....It is good for them to get light near the end to actually ripen properly.

With that in mind. You can always do a stepped harvest.....You harvest the ripe mains and leave the unripe lower buds to ripen and harden up...... You should find that these "second" harvested buds will be stronger and have more definition to the type of buzz you get....

Good luck!
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I know bud, and the by the fade you mean last 2-3 week when leaves start discolouring? And so i can havrvest my main buds and leave the others to finish up?
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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Just Take all the Bottom growth off,that will produce very little early,I never take it off too early,Normally just before Flowering.And i just leave the Ends on that have pretty close nodes that will produce ok nugs,Those little Nugs all ways end up been dense,pretty solid.This is where i'm at atm Minute with Mine,I had a big Cheese Strain in this room that took most of the room up,so i'm happy to say they did not get too much light,There is one that got very little room,and it Ended up been my Favorite out of the 3 ,would have been a great Commercial strain,will be ready at the end of a full 8 week.The other two may run into 9/10. These have started to fade But this is the one of the Pheno now.20181103_165801.jpg
 
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