Spin-Out for Chemical Root Pruning

RobertInAz

Active Member
Hi Uncle Ben,
I have read this whole thread and it seems you have stirred up a hornet's nest. I, however, agree with you and your reasoning, and I would like to try this copper paint. However, I am into aeroponics and use a double tote system: the plants are set into the lid of the top tote and their roots hang down inside, where there are sprayed every few minutes w/ rez water. This water then drains down into the lower tote which holds the pump and the rez. It is not uncommon for the roots to grow all the way down into the lower tote, and I have to trim them every now and then so that they don't clog up the pump. I'm thinking that I could paint the pumps with the copper paint so that the roots would stay away from it -- what do you think?
Thanks,
Bob in Arizona
 

aapmpmo

Member
This Spin out shit is not approved for edible plants so I'd say you'de have to be retarded to use it on smokable ones. Considering the poisions the goverment lets us use, I can only image how harmful the ones they do not let us use are. :idea:
 

420greendream

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your test would be have been alot better if you used clones not seeds, so you have a control group not some seeds that grow better then others.
 

Uncle Ben

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your test would be have been alot better if you used clones not seeds, so you have a control group not some seeds that grow better then others.
Your mind would be a lot better if you could focus. The experiment is not about clones or seeds. It was about the effect on root systems. Plant material is immaterial.
 

Uncle Ben

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This is good info, thanks uncle ben for sharing it with everyone. I find it really interesting..
Any time you prune root tips, you will increase production. Over at my new home, Riddleme, there are a few guys using Rootmaker air pruning pots, that includes me.
 

Faldikar

Active Member
Glad i ran into this thread. Thank you for all the awesome info Uncle Ben.
I got a few really colorful reactions when I called into the local hydro and nursery stores to see if they carried anything like it.
I guess its time to make an order online :P
 

Bullethead21

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Funny how Uncle Ben objected to the use of Bushmaster and called it "snake oil" containing PGR's and that it didnt work. But it is TOTALLY ok to suggest the use of this VERY toxic containing product that CLEARLY states on the label it is not for use on food and fruit crops????????

Does it say that anywhere on the Bushmaster label there mr pro???

Oh wait I forgot, the people that make Bushmaster lie and do not pay attention to label regulations.......what a joke and fool this guy is!!!

Wow, I think someone is REALLY confused.
 

Bullethead21

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This thread should be deleted!! This stuff is CLEARLY not to be used on food crops and any fruit or kind of crop that will be consumed by HUMANS!!!

It takes a really special kind of moron to put together threads like this suggesting the use of this VERY toxic product that is NOT to meant to be used this way!! I guess he does care about making himself sick and thats ok, but to suggest its use to others who are already sick???? What a guy!!

What is even MORE sad is the moderators of this site do NOTHING about it!!!!

Use common sense people, if the label says do not use on food crops or fruit, then DO NOT!! Do not listen to some IDIOT!!! Someone who is obviously VERY PROUD of their ignorance!!
 

Uncle Ben

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About the same effect. Depends on certain conditions though. I use Griffin's treated pots and RootMaker pots.
 

dray86man

Active Member
Funny how Uncle Ben objected to the use of Bushmaster and called it "snake oil" containing PGR's and that it didnt work. But it is TOTALLY ok to suggest the use of this VERY toxic containing product that CLEARLY states on the label it is not for use on food and fruit crops????????
Jorge Cerevantes recommends the use of copper hydroxide root pruning substances for lining the inside of soilless containers; 20006 edition, Chapter 3, page 59.
 

dray86man

Active Member
This thread should be deleted!! This stuff is CLEARLY not to be used on food crops and any fruit or kind of crop that will be consumed by HUMANS!!!

It takes a really special kind of moron to put together threads like this suggesting the use of this VERY toxic product that is NOT to meant to be used this way!!
Ad hominem attacks won't motivate folks to reply w/ helpful information.
 

Zrod87

Member
UB Knows his shit! I have never used any chemical root pruning techniques, but trust his knowledge and experience.

I grew up on a grain and potato farm and have lived in rural farming communities for the better part of my life and have seen more than enough serious Chemical safety infractions to put half the county in cuffs for reckless endangerment... But it's the status quo, the people who grow the food for the better part of the worlds populations aren't as concerned with the "Safety" of the final food product as they are with VISUAL quality and things such as protein content.

To fully explain ALL of the circumstances regarding the labeling of chemicals for use on food crops is truly a nearly impossible thing IMHO. Companies produce chemicals that produce the results the farmers want, not the other way around, this plus the huge disconnect between the two creates a confusing and possibly very dangerous atmosphere surrounding the entire industry.

Ex. An average sized family Farmer Bob Lobla wants a better way to stop his newest glyphosate resistant Bull Thisle strain from overtaking his prized soybeans(which after he harvests will be delivered directly into a facility containing MILLIONS of lbs of the source of everybody's favorite veggie burger...) gets the newest broadleaf burn down product on the market and applies generously across everything on the field, including the developing bean pods.

I like to think that these chemicals are 100% safe, but one look at the label of these products that have been recommended to unknowing growers would have even a completely illiterate person asking safety questions. The company wants to sell it, and I doubt that with the frequency of new products on the market that all of these products have been properly tested over a period long enough to be entirely sure that there is no long term effects because of human consumption.

Many growers intentionally use a product that isn't labeled for their crops and even mix chemicals because it still produces the positive effect, without the farmer having the slightest clue as to what kind of chemical processes are taking place inside the plants. Bob is happy because his soybeans might take first at the fair this year, and chemcom is happy with their money pile, and as long as nobody can trace the cause of their illness all the way back to Bobs blue ribbon beans the cycle continues.

My point? Unless you grow everything you consume organically yourself, you can't be sure just what kind of terrible things you may be bringing in to your body.

If you clowns are worried about something this low risk you should probably avoid anything on the shelves of most grocerie stores... Maybe do some research on commonly used agricultural chemicals to help widen your perspective, even a visit to a local ag extension office and ask for information. I think alot of people would be quite concerned to see what actually goes on in the production of their food sources.

Its like someone spitting on your double cheeseburger, only the spit is a stew of variouse chemicals and compounds in trace amounts, for your enjoyment...


much respect UB.. Haters gonna hate I guess
 

Uncle Ben

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Excellent solid post Zrod87. I grow most of my own produce so I know what's in it.

The reason why copper hydroxide paints are not harmful to the plant (and therefore people) is that the copper ions do not translocate into the plant. I believe I pointed that out, guess it fell on deaf ears. Don't give a shit what the label says for this particular product because I do not know why it is recommended for non-consumable crops only. I have used copper treated pots for tomatoes, citrus, etc. and am as healthy as a horse. As you pointed out, the ag label industry is a strange one wraught with legalese, mandates, and politics. At least we don't live in Mexico where anything goes.

What really scares me is the organic industry. Now there is a racket. Like cannabis specific products it is largely unregulated and over priced "because they can" take advantage of The Cult of Au Naturel. No one really knows what's in that Super Duper Organic Natural Soil. Some tests by U. of Wash. have revealed high amounts of arsenic or barium, or selenium in some "organic" products.

I use the john to get rid of my wastes and have a complete body chemistry profile analysis about once a year. That is the only way you know if all your bodily functions are healthy is whether or not the 50 or so tests fall within the 'norm'.

UB
 
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