Yeah. Thats what I was talking about. In titans grows he does not do anything to them. He just lets them go. Honestly, I have always really wondered the effect it has on the plant by taking larger fan leaves away. I always feel like the less I do take away from the plant, the happier it is. I mean, I guess it really comes down to how, when, and how much your taking away. I tried not to defoliate on this run with the Frozen Fuel and Alien Treatz, but the damn fan leaves are so big, especially on the Frozen Fuel. The lower fan leaves look huge. So I ended up taking a few off here and there to get some light into the plant. But yeah, I always feel like my plants are happier without taking anything from. Has anyone experienced herms from Square One? Seems to be pretty solid seeds so far