Starting off my perpetual grow with Nirvana Papaya.

Howdy! I've been on here before, my original name was Douche_Nozzle but I've forgotten the password to my old email address and can't remember my password for the account either, so here we are. I have some grows under my belt, but not the perpetual harvest and not in my new 2 in 1 style tent, so let's see how it works. First let's talk about what I'm using. The tent is 60"Wx48"Dx80"H with the veg side being 12"Wx48"D and has a shelf in the middle. The top half is for the seedlings and storage with small led lights for the rapid rooter tray and bottom for the 5 veg plants with 2 300w LED's. The flowering side is 48x48 with a pair of 2000w AGLEX COB LED lights that average around 408w of draw at the wall for a total of just over 800 true watts. I used just one in a 3x3 tent with 1 plant in a storage tote and had amazing results. I'll be using the coco from that tote actually, I've left it sitting outside in the weather to rinse away any nutes from the last few grows I've used it for. I've been leaving the roots and everything right in it every time, I just yank the stem and whatever root mass comes with it, then just stir everything up and leave it. Now it's kind of a coco cannibalism. I placed my seeds in the Rapid Rooters on August 6 in the afternoon, so being in the tray, under the dome, on a heat mat, hopefully they will pop in the next day or so. They will then go into small 16 oz pots, then 2 gallon fabric pots, then 7 gallon fabric to finish. I will veg for 8 weeks and flower for hopefully 8 weeks on a continuous basis. As soon as it is harvested, the veg plants go in and new seeds are started. I'll post pics, I'm still waiting for my second 2000w light to come in and a tee for the fan to duct both sides, but you'll get the idea. Don't judge me on the plants that are in there now. Those are mercy plants I saved from death from someone who gave them to me. They are Super Skunk but really small. Feel free to comment at will and ask any questions. I also have my 3x3 tent I'm starting a bunch of Sour Diesel regular seeds in just for shits. I was given a bag with thousands of them. So, let's see how this goes.

By the way I forgot to mention I plan on doing the manifold technique on these since they have to be moved and I can't use any trellis type of grow. I will top after the 5th node shows down to the 3rd, wait until each side has 4 nodes, cut back to the 3rd, and clean off all the nodes accept for the 1st and 3rd on both sides of each branch leaving a total of 8 nodes. This should result in 40 evenly sized colas getting around 800 real watts of COB led with little recovery time.

This is a legit setup man, nice!

When are you planning on manifolding?

itsjasonovak said:

This is a legit setup man, nice!

When are you planning on manifolding?

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As soon as the plants let me. First top at 5 nodes. Then top the 4 tops at 4 nodes down to 3.

Got it, manifolding is something I know nothing about but keep hearing about so I need to look into it.

Just fyi, I had mostly herms from a pack of Nirvana Papaya. The ones that I harvested were extremely meh! Not trying to rain on your parade, but hate to see you get going, only to find herms and mids.

R Burns said:

Just fyi, I had mostly herms from a pack of Nirvana Papaya. The ones that I harvested were extremely meh! Not trying to rain on your parade, but hate to see you get going, only to find herms and mids.

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Ok, I'll keep an eye out. Thanks. I used them years ago as my first real grow so it was kind of a reminiscent sort of thing. Hopefully it works ok. I only have 5 seeds anyway then I switch to White Widow/Big Bud cross.

I chopped the 2 plants that I finished inside today. For a couple of extra plants that I put no care into the first 3/4 of their lives, they did ok. I ended up with 405g of wet trimmed bud. I had them in those small pots just sitting in my backyard just getting rain and no nutes. The spot they were in would get shadows in the after noon so the went into flower at the middle of summer. As soon as my good plants were done inside, I brought them in and pumped them with the 2000w COB and tons of nutes. All GH stuff. I have it in a 24hr water cure right now. Should end up around 4oz or so. Not bad for shitty plants.

Alright so it's been a little while but that's how this phase goes anyways. There's been a few set backs I wasn't too impressed with. First and foremost being the germination rate of the seeds. Of the 5 seeds the vender sent me, only 2 popped. When I sent them an email, they stated that they do not sell seeds for that purpose and can't send replacements, but will add some with my next order. There will be no next order. I have recently received literally thousands of Sour Diesel seeds (regular) for free so I have no need to purchase any more. But, the 2 Papaya that did pop look healthy and I started 3 of the free random seeds that came with my order. They don't tell you what strain they are, but they include them if you pay with cash instead of credit. I got 10 free for that. Those all popped easily with no rejects. The 2 Papaya are about a week ahead of the others, but I'll have them all at the same schedule soon enough. Right now they are on 1/4 strength nutes with GH flora series and going into 2 gallon fabric pots with coco cior and perlite that's on its fourth round with old roots and some dead leaves I've just been leaving in it and setting outside to let the rain flush out and do it's thing. Im too cheap to buy new stuff and too lazy to pick out the dead shit so I'm trying some hybrid super coco cior soil. It's worked well so far. All I do is yank the stump and whatever comes with it and leave the rest. I dump it in a plastic tote with holes in the bottom and stick it on some blocks outside until I'm ready. Anyway, not much to see yet. Just a couple small plants getting bigger by the day now. The other 3 I'll transplant soon and they'll shoot up in size. In my second tent I have 8 Sour Diesel going also since I don't know the sex yet. I'll get a mother going from one of those soon. Until next time. Stay groovy.

I got myself some new coco bricks so I can fill up the 7 gallon pots when I'm ready. I found some 2.25 cu ft. bricks for $3.50 so I bought 10 of those to keep me going for a while. For perlite all they had anywhere was damn Miracle-Gro so I was forced to buy some of that. What I did was dump a few bags into a wheelbarrow and fill it with water. I'll let it sit over night and drain it out then fill it up again and do that a few times. That may or may not get rid of some of the shit I don't want in my coco/perlite mix. It can't hurt it anyway. Here's a pic of 4.5 cu/ft all hydrated and draining and my perlite in water.

Day 11 since the seed popped out and shed the seed shell. This is one of the two Papaya that actually germinated and seems to be healthy so far. It's been on 1/4 strength nutes since day one and had its first 1/2 strength shot today. The next one will be full strength. It's staying nice and low, no stretching at all. Those lights are working great. I moved my Sour Diesel into there with the other 2000w light and exhaust also for the heat because I have room and they're small enough to fit in there for now. Progress is being made. Till next time....

itsjasonovak said:

This is a legit setup man, nice!

When are you planning on manifolding?

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The bottom pic is the Papaya plant that is about a week ahead of the others, that's why it's bushier. I let them grow up to the 5th node then cut just above the 3rd, making sure not to cut the 2 small shoots coming out of the stem above the leaves. These are now the new main stems. I will let these grow up to the 5th node once again and repeat. I will get 8 colas that way in the same amount of time. I trimmed all the leaves except for the 2 at the top. The others are simply a waste of energy. I will not trim anymore until I make the next cut at the 3rd nodes again. Then I will leave only the top leaves again. I am on full strength nutes for early veg growth right now. Until next time. Feel free to leave comments and encouragement or critisism.

All of them have now been cut down to the 3rd node and have grown 2 very nice and healthy identical stalks to replace them. The free seeds I put in the other tent and put on 12/12 immediately since they aren't feminized, I'm just going to hammer those out since I have so many. Those will have 2 colas. The Papaya seeds though are a few weeks ahead of those and one plant is a week ahead of them all due to germination issues, so that one has 4 growth tips right now. The other 4 have two but are very close to the 5th node and ready to be cut. 8 colas each is my goal for a total of 40 equal sized thick colas in one harvest inside a 7 gallon fabric pot with coco coir/perlite. This is around day 30 since they've seen daylight, give or take.

I'm in. Plants are lookin' good!
Looking forward to learning a new technique here. I'm on day 15 in my journal, but I think all I can hope to do until I'm more seasoned, some LST, lol!

Deketx said:

I'm in. Plants are lookin' good!
Looking forward to learning a new technique here. I'm on day 15 in my journal, but I think all I can hope to do until I'm more seasoned, some LST, lol!

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Mainlining is super easy. There is very little training to do to the plants and once you have made the last cuts to make 8 colas and get rid of the extra leaves and growth sites, that's it, you're done. It barely adds any extra veg time to the grow allowing a standard 16 week seed to harvest cycle. The key is when making the cuts down from the 5th nodes to the 3rd, on any of the steps, to remove all of the extra growth accept for the 2 main leaves at the very end where the 2 new growths will start. All energy will go to growing those out. Tons of roots for feeding them and they explode very quickly with no shock to the plants. Look up Nebula's Mainlining technique on GrowWeedEasy.com for a perfect example on how it's done. The plant pops out, grows 5 nodes, chop down to 3. Now both stalks grow 5 nodes, cut those down to 3. Now you have 4 stalks grow 5 nodes, cut down to 3. These now grow 8 stalks. Grow until around week 8, switch to flower and bingo, leave them be. Just light trimming to allow light. Add a tomato cage to spread out the colas and hold them, they will be heavy.

Hope you find something nice in those papaya. I got a pack of of those to run some day. Not sure how nirvana's stuff is these days but 10-15 years ago you could always find at least 1 real nice plant out of a 10 pack.

OccasionallyIShart said:

Mainlining is super easy. There is very little training to do to the plants and once you have made the last cuts to make 8 colas and get rid of the extra leaves and growth sites, that's it, you're done. It barely adds any extra veg time to the grow allowing a standard 16 week seed to harvest cycle. The key is when making the cuts down from the 5th nodes to the 3rd, on any of the steps, to remove all of the extra growth accept for the 2 main leaves at the very end where the 2 new growths will start. All energy will go to growing those out. Tons of roots for feeding them and they explode very quickly with no shock to the plants. Look up Nebula's Mainlining technique on GrowWeedEasy.com for a perfect example on how it's done. The plant pops out, grows 5 nodes, chop down to 3. Now both stalks grow 5 nodes, cut those down to 3. Now you have 4 stalks grow 5 nodes, cut down to 3. These now grow 8 stalks. Grow until around week 8, switch to flower and bingo, leave them be. Just light trimming to allow light. Add a tomato cage to spread out the colas and hold them, they will be heavy.

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Very interesting! I will read that article. Thank you

Deketx said:

Very interesting! I will read that article. Thank you

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https://www.growweedeasy.com/mainlining-nugbuckets this is actually the method I'm using and the easiest. I have plenty of height so I don't bother tying the stems down or training at all. I may start when they get a bit bigger but we'll see.

Here we are. I now have 8 nodes on each plant. These are just 2 of them, the oldest and the youngest. The oldest I let grow straight up, the youngest I tied down on the last trim. The same with the other 3.

Here you can see the stalks tied down and 8 new growths popping straight up. Now the hard work is done. It's maintenance now. Feed, groom, transplant to 7 gallon, tomato cage.
Below is the straight up manifold. No wasted growth below. Once the top canopy gets larger, I will cut all lower growth.

I'm definitely trying this next grow. I was too chicken to do it this time. It'll be 28 days tomorrow.