Stay away from Attitude Seeds

akilo said:

All that is true and understandable but does that make it right? Yes that was my first post does that mean that since i had something negative to say about my first order with a company its bullshit! Dont be so quick to judge me judge yourself! I am not a bullshitter just someone doing the same thing you are.

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Brick Top said:

"Most of" my "free time here?" Do you time me? Are you an internet stalker or something? I am retired and between being old and having a slight case of insomnia and it being fall here so I can't spend as much time on the golf course or on the lake as I might like, I can be online, on two, three or four sites like this all at once. Right now I am averaging 6.96 posts a day and I send a goodly number of PMs. How do the posts I have made in this thread, or in others like it, account for "most of" my "free time on here?" Sometimes I will go 24 to 36 hours without sleeping, and now and then even longer, and this site and others like it are almost always open when I am online and in bad weather or in the fall and winter I live online, so how do the handful of posts I have made actually equate to "most of" my "free time on here" turn out to be defending Attitude?

Most people here have never owned a business and most never will. They do not have the slightest clue of what it takes to run a business. No business, and I will repeat that, NO BUSINESS is in business long without some sort of problems occurring and the longer they remain in business and the larger they get the more totally unavoidable problems will occur.

When a part owner of a marina we had a bookkeeper rip customers, and us, off for nearly four thousand dollars. Among other things at the marina we had rental cabins that were very popular. They were so popular that at times they would be booked a year in advance. It was not at all uncommon for when someone would check out they would leave a deposit for the same cabin for the same weekend or week or two for the next year. Our bookkeeper had been with us for several years and was very good, very reliable and seemed totally honest. When we hired her we checked her references and no one had anything at all bad to say about her. One day she quit, she just did not show up for work and we could not contact or locate her. Within days customers came in ready to spend their time in the cabin they had left a deposit on. We did not have any record of their deposit or them being on the list of who was supposed to be checking in.

The bookkeeper had gone to a business supply store and purchased a receipt book and a book similar to what we wrote all the reservations in and when neither my partner or I, or my partner's son were in the office, if the customer was paying their deposit in cash, which was not at all uncommon, she used her second pair of 'book's and the cash went into her pocket and nothing went into the official books. When the date came close that customers were going to be showing up for their stay in our cabins she headed for the hills knowing that if she stayed any longer she would be caught.

We later learned from her ex-husband that she had become addicted to Oxycontin and that was how she was paying for it, by stealing the deposit money.

In our previous business, an auto dealership, we had never done anything dishonest. We had never done anything dishonest at our marina ... but suddenly we were seen as being the biggest crooks in the world all because one pill head worked out a plan of how to get money for her pill habit.

The one outboard we sold that was not a Honda was a very high tech (for the era) 200 HP Mercury. Every one of them we sold came back with the customers complaining like mad about how it would not idle well and how it would stumble and be sluggish and how it would surge. Our technicians worked and worked and worked and tried everything they could think of. They replaced every part that could have been part of the problem and some that shouldn't have in any way been able to be part of the problem. We had a factory technician come in and for roughly a week he was scratching his head because he had never seen anything like it and could not figure it out. He was on the phone to the factory and to the design teams and in one case they sent a replacement motor to see if possibly there had been a bad run of motors and sure enough it did the exact same thing.

Everyone around said we had the worst service department around and no one should ever bring their boat there to be repaired and some people said, don't buy a boat from them because if it breaks down they won't know how to repair it.

One day one of our technicians had the idea of testing the head temperatures and noticed they were not in the ranges they should be at idle or while cruising or when running at full speed. One was always a different temperature than the other. They were too cold at idle and at still slightly too cold at cruising speed and too hot at high speed.

To shorten the story some what was happening was the lake has a very silty bottom and the outboards were very high tech, everything was controlled by a computer. Silt would keep the thermostat from closing all the way at idle so the computer would keep the fuel setting like the engine was running with a choke on. The same happened at cruising speed but to a lesser degree, which is why they would surge, the temperature would vary and the computer would feed more or less fuel causing a surging problem. The silt would keep the thermostat from fully opening at high speed so it would run hot and the computer would adjust for that.

A product we were supplied with made us look like we sold crap products and were totally inept when it was a slight design flaw that was never thought possible to happen by the design team and did not show up in testing and did not show up until the outboards were used in lakes like ours, ones with very silty bottoms that got churned up a great deal so there was often silt running through the cooling system.

I understand far better than the whiny babies here how easily a business can be made to look bad for reasons that are totally out of their control and not at all their fault and how the public will instantly blame the business and the business owner(s) when the problems were things that were totally out of their control, not something they planned to do, not something they decided to do and definitely not something they wanted to happen.

But the average guy, the hourly wage earner screams ... I paid them my money and they ripped me off, they are crooks, they are scam artists, they are not trustworthy, never do any business with them because they will steal your money every chance they get.

They never pause to consider that no business, none at all, can totally avoid each and every single chance of someone finding a way to steal from them, and or from the customers, or totally avoid some problem that is in no way the fault of the business owner(s) or anyone who who works at the business from happening. It is impossible to keep it from happening 100% of the time.

This is off the subject but it is still in a way related since it is about theft and how easily it can happen no matter what precautions a person takes. I have been a bit on the grumpy side for roughly the last week because for the SECOND TIME I have been the victim of identity fraud. Early this month someone wrote slightly over $500.00 worth of checks they printed on their computers with my checking account number on them. My banks fraud department cleared things up and my balance was restored and the County Sheriff's office is working on it. I am as cautious as anyone can be with my account numbers and credit and debit cards but someone managed to get and use my checking account number and go on a small spending spree.

The previous time it was my debit card and someone four states north of me got my debit card number and went on a spending spree and spent over $1,500.00 of my money. In that case the business where the purchases were made showed up on my online banking and I called to dispute the charges and luckily I talked to a new employee who did not know they were not supposed to give out customer information and she told me the name, address, delivery address (because some items were out of stock and going to be shipped) and telephone number of the woman ... and she ended up spending time in the gray bar motel. She got my debit card number because a relative of hers stole one of my bank statements out of my mailbox and she ratted her out and she got to spend some time inside too.

The point is NO business can avoid any and every problem and NO business can make sure 100% of the time that not so much as one single employee will never steal from them or from a customer and NO business can totally rely on their suppliers too always, 100% of the time, supplying them with absolutely perfect products for them to sell.

I use multiple seedbanks. I really like Hemp Depot. I like Hemcy a lot. While their line is small I really like PeakSeedsBC. Back when Heaven's Stairway was in business I used it a lot. I am not just an Attitude user or lover, I have no special fondness for Attitude but I am sick and tired of whiny babies making a mountain out of a mole hill.

When the credit card fraud was going on I placed two orders, and there was not so much as one single cent extra charged to my card at any point, so it was not like everyone was being hammered. It happened to a few people because there was a dishonest employee.

When the fake DJ Shorts seeds were sold, as I posted the piece from Attitude stated, they were purchased through wholesalers, through middlemen who turned out to be dishonest and Attitude was ripped off by them before any retail customer of Attitudes was ever sold fake seeds ... and what did Attitude do? They made things right, they bit the bullet and sent out new, REAL DJ Shorts seeds, at their expense, or if the customer did not want to wait for the beans to be delivered to Attitude, Attitude would give them credit towards a future purchase or send the customers other beans of equal value of the customers choice.

What more can you ask or expect from a business that was a victim of fraud too do? What more could any business do other than to make things right? Have your beans personally delivered by a strip-o-gram hooker or something?

Then there are the whiny babies who purchase Wal-Mart quality genetics and do not get a germination rate they are happy with and they always blame Attitude rather than the breeder who created the beans and sold them to Attitude. What is Attitude supposed to do, hire a psychic to check each and every bean for viability before they are sold and shipped?

When you factor in some of the germination techniques some people use it's a bloody wonder that they ever get any beans to pop. Many soak them in water for some period of time. Well that's not a bad thing to do if you have old beans that are drying out, but with fresh moisture-filled beans it will ruin them. Others will say they used the paper towel method, and some will even admit they let the paper towel dry out a time or two, but it is always Attitude's fault and never the person who does not know how to pop beans fault ... never .. and in their minds it is never the fault of the Wal-Mart grade pollen-chucker breeder whose beans they made the decision to purchase rather than to purchase beans from a true quality breeder.

The responsibility for failure is never the purchasers, even when they chose to purchase crap, and it is never the responsibility of the crap pollen-chucker breeder, and it is never the responsibility of any or all middlemen, wholesalers, seed suppliers who supply at least some of Attitude's beans, the shady business people who ripped off Attitude, and only God knows who else they supply with dubious beans to, beans that were packaged to appear to have come from a big name reputable breeder. Nope ... in the minds of the average person all responsibility is that of Attitude and Attitudes alone.

If you purchase Wal-Mart quality genetics you will receive Wal-Mart quality genetics. If you purchase a Hyundai you will drive a Hyundai and not a Mercedes. If you want the quality and reliability of a Mercedes you have to purchase a Mercedes and that means you have to pay the price of a Mercedes.

People here seem to believe that if they spend $17.57 on some KC Brains Haze Special it should be as high quality, in every single way, as if they spent $163.07 on some Mr. Nice Seeds Neville's Haze .. and when the beans don't pop well or when it turns out to not be the Holy Grail they expected and hoped for, they bitch, piss and moan and say ATTITUDE RIPPED ME OFF ... NEVER USE ATTITUDE ... ATTITUDE IS A SCAM!!!!!

Some people are unrealistic and some people here are irrational and some people do not have a clue about how things work in the real world .... and some people here just like to try to put the breath on the highest rated seedbank there is while bragging about the low rated one they purchase from so they can attempt to make it appear as if they bought quality genetics from a top rated seed vendor rather than having bought trash from a less than quality seed vendor and also to try to sway more people to use the same seed vendor, in part so they will not look so bad because they went with the company they purchased from.

I am positive that some of the Attitude is a scam threads are planned and carried out by other seed vendors and or employees of other seed vendors in hopes of hurting Attitude's business and in doing so gaining business. I hang out at three other herb growing sites, though not as much as here, and I have see on each one of them at the same time, as in the same day, Attitude is a scam threads started. Normally it is by someone with roughly 25 or 30 posts, not like a total noob, but not a well established member either, and they pull the long time listener, first time caller thing, they claim to have many years of experience but are just sort of new to the site. There are usually two or three 'different member's, with roughly the same post count, who all gang up saying Attitude is a ripoff seed vendor.

In one of these Attitude is not reputable threads here on RIU I posted a message copied from one of the other sites I hang out on, it was a message posted by one of the site's mods. They had become suspicious of the wave of anti-Attitude threads by the fairly new members, always in small gangs, and they checked their ISP accounts and they were all the same. It was one person with multiple accounts claiming to be different people who all claimed to have had similar problems with Attitude. The 'members' were blocked from the site.

Attitude is not the highest rated seedbank out of luck or by mistake. It is because Attitude is a professional reputable business, that like any business can and will at times hit minor bumps in the road, but Attitude is not the ripoff scam artist business the whiners keep screaming that it is.

If that is not enough, go back to message number 205 and read what I said there when asked why I defend Attitude.

Thus endeth the lesson.

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hornedfrog2000 said:

In reference to Brick. (Not going to quote that mass of text he posted...)


Seriously, working a full time job and working around the house I don't have time to read a 10 paragraph essay from attitudes number 1 fan.

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You should consider being honest for a change and not attempt to claim me to be something I am not. I clearly stated; "I use multiple seedbanks. I really like Hemp Depot. I like Hemcy a lot. While their line is small I really like PeakSeedsBC. Back when Heaven's Stairway was in business I used it a lot. I am not just an Attitude user or lover, I have no special fondness for Attitude but I am sick and tired of whiny babies making a mountain out of a mole hill." So I am not "Attitude's number 1 fan" as you so incorrectly claimed.

You should consider shortening your posts a bit.

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You, and others here, should consider not making senseless knee-jerk accusations that are not fully thought out before being made which then requires more than an eleven word response to adequately explain why your senseless knee-jerk accusations that are not fully thought out before being made are hollow and baseless.

I've ordered from MANY different places, and when I had a problem they helped me out as best they could. When you have an issue with Attitude, and they tell you to shove it basically it's a bit of a turn off.

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I have purchased beans online almost from the day they first became available. The only problem I have ever had was one purchase from the now defunct CBay auction that sold amateur breeders gear. I ordered a pack of 10 beans, some cross with Mazar in it. Not one bean popped and normally I would get 9 out of 10 and often times 10 out of ten beans to pop with every other purchase I had made from any vendor. Heaven's Stairway handled/ran the CBay auction, I notified them and I was sent another pack. Again not a single bean popped so again I notified them. They offered to send a third pack or something else of the same value. I chose something else and they still included a pack of the beans that would not pop for me. That time 4 of the beans that previously would not pop, popped for me, and all 10 of the other beans popped.

I understand frustrations but I also understand that a re-seller of goods is not solely responsible for the products they sell. Maybe I missed it but if you sent an email asking for assistance I sure would love to read it, and I would also like to know word for word what you said if you called Attitude because of the few people I have known who did have a problem with the products Attitude sells, each of them were more than taken care of by Attitude.

I can only assume that you failed to follow their guidelines of what can and cannot be spoken about or possibly, like you have done with me, you got your ass on your shoulders and tried to make demands and pissed off the wrong person so they said up yours, if you won't play nice you can just go play with yourself .... which I am sure would not be something new to you.

That being said. I have made ANOTHER order with attitude,

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That is very big of you. I applaud you for it.

and it better be right this time. I'm just chalking my last order up as being a bad situation.

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If there is a problem try to pause a moment or three and consider whose responsibility it is before you blame Attitude again. If it is legitimately Attitude's fault I will back you in your complaints, but if not I will have to maintain my present stance if you complain again and the responsibility is in fact owned by some other business (breeder(s) included).

The whole. "we do not sell seeds for germination reasons" might fly with the cops, but it isn't probably going to fly with the LOYAL customer.

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It is strictly for legal reasons and not to get out of resolving legitimate germination problems. It is what allows them to keep their doors open, by only selling "novelty items" and "collectibles" in/from a country where popping beans and growing them out is illegal.

If Dr. Chronic didn't take a shit I would have never switched to attitude, but I will give them another shot...

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I have relied on Greenman's seedbank ratings site since I found it a little over a decade ago and I have always purchased from the highest rated seed vendors and it has never let me down. Dr. Chronic has never received a top rating. If you have a problem with Attitude again and want to try a new seedbank I would suggest Hemp Depot. It is a very good, very reputable business. Presently it has a 4 1/2 star rating, 5 stars is the tops, but no one has more than 4 1/2 stars right now and if my memory serves me correctly Hemp Depot is the only seed vendor on the site that has ever received a full 5 star rating Another option, and one that is also very good and very reputable is Hemcy. Another is PeakSeedsBC. It has a small line but they offer quality genetics and the business is as honest as the day is long. I use them all, and have used others that are no longer in business but when in business held the highest ratings at the time, and as I said, I have never had a problem other than with the amateur bred beans and in the end that problem was more than made right. All of those I mentioned have consistently held a higher rating than Dr. Chronic so you might wish to consider them if you feel you need a new seed vendor in the future.

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Ralph Spencer said:

I ordered 2 varieties from attitude. KC Brains 42 and AK-48 from Nirvana.
And I recieved a couple supposed bonus seeds.
Every seed sent to me was tiny and looked exactly the same even though they supposedly came from 3 different sources.
They produced nothing but scrawny leggy sativas, that you might find along a Kansas highway. No smell, bad internodal spacing, tiny buds.
I have been growing 35 years. Not a rookie.
I always had good luck with Canadian sources and wish Stairway to heaven was still operating.

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dirtyshawa said:

that's fucked up. i've seen a ton of threads just like this about attitude. why do people even waist their money fucking with them. sanniesshop.com, customer service is the best, unbelievable genetics, crazy freebies, everything i've grown was grade A. sannie and crew are some of the best breeders in the world hands down

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cannabeast said:

Yeah, i had this same exact experience and my friends said i should post a heads up to people online, because you guys deserve to know about what happened. The first thing is that I ordered with a guarantee, a coffee mug, and asked for the original breeder's packaging. They said yeah okay, and sent me the seeds, WITHOUT the original breeder's packaging. this bothered me, so i wrote them back and told them I had a guarantee, and specifically asked for original breeder's packaging. They convinced me to make another order, and would send what I ordered the first time, the packaging from the original breeder's in the next package I ordered. Okay i waited, and the next order got here, no original breeder's packaging for the next order, or the one before it. I wrote back to the lady I had been dealing with at attitude and told them how dissapointed I was in them. she said she was sorry and would fix it, promising to send the ORIGINAL breeder's packaging. this was made very clear. this would be the 3rd time i recieve a package from attitude with no original breeder's packaging, another coffee mug I didnt pay for, and seeds I didnt pay for as if they were trying to buy me with a coffee mug Oo
the main issue is not that i want packags of cardboard and plastic, but all their seeds suck, and i suspect they are using the names of good breeders to sell shitty seeds described perfectly by this original poster, except MY seeds from attitude had a 50 percent germination rate, one was crushed. they all looked too small like the original poster said, around 3mm. I made a point to order some strains made by breeder's i have bought before and know are good. it wasnt like this at all with attitude, their seeds just flat out suck. they arent original breeders seeds, thats why they refused to not send the OB packaging 3 times.

Thingpoon, you are very wrong you will find MUCH better than attitude if you look around. Nirvana has really good seeds, but not as good of genetics as i would like. Growshopalien has proven themselves worthy MANY MANY times to me. I would really suggest growshopalien for selling legitimate original breeders' seeds, good cheap equipment, and good trustworthy customer service.


"Mike257- If seeds are not supposed to be germinated by law then how can you complain if they dont as you are using the product being sold
to you illegally? Your lucky that they send you free seeds the next time."
Only they arent free, it's a marketing gimmik like buy 1 (something), get 9 (something) free, you are just buying 10 (something) with the thought of a good deal in your mind... and that some of us dont live in places where it is illegal to germinate seeds. which brings another good question, how the hell do these guys operate out of the UK and produce good seeds... order from THE NETHERLANDS!


DIRTYSHAWA, I would like to thank you for referencing a good seedbank you had good experience with. i will have to check them out!

Anyway, forget attitude seedbank, i hope people read these thread reviews about them before ordering from them and think twice. THEIR SEEDS AND SERVICE SUCKS! UGH! never again...

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