stick a fork in em..their done.

max420thc

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only someone with obsessive compulsive acts like you miss moffit..you should learn to relax..its just a blog..and if you dont want to read it..dont..
 

misshestermoffitt

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Gosh Max, got yer panties in a twist? You should learn to chill out, maybe read up on this here interweb and learn what a joke is.

You're just pissed because I called you out on your sloppy writing style and you know what I said was true and the truth hurts, doesn't it baby ?
 

Anotheroldephart

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A September 11, 2003 New York Times article shows that President Bush proposed “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” His proposal: An agency within the Treasury Department to supervise mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Fearing that mortgages would no longer be available to people who were unable to pay them back, Democrats eventually killed the proposal. The current meltdown in the mortgage industry is a direct result of giving mortgages to people who could not pay them back, a practice protected by Congressional Democrats.

”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.


This is directly responsible for the credit crisis which the evil business' required to stay in business.


But lets chant some slogans and blame it on Bush.



Med man you are champion slogan chanter, but you ignore the actual events leading to this.



You say it all about the evil greedy corps, and you are somewhat right, but you ignore the leftist that contributed to it just as much.


ATTABOY!!! If i knew how to give reps I would!!!! Check out his rants(medi) on book reviews... He stats..I ask for facts..he calls me Nazi.. He complains about conreps not caring..when asked what he does..I'm a Nazi!~!*lol* any questions..I'm a Nazi..asked for proof..I'm a nazi..sound familiar?*g*
 

misshestermoffitt

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Are you sure NAFTA and shipping all our jobs over seas didn't have anything to do with the mortgage crisis? If all the jobs left, how are people getting paid? What jobs are left are filled by illegals. It's really a wonderful thing when you have to be able to speak Spanish in America to be employable.

I think it's a combination of factors, blame can't really be laid on just one area.
 

Anotheroldephart

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Are you sure NAFTA and shipping all our jobs over seas didn't have anything to do with the mortgage crisis? If all the jobs left, how are people getting paid? What jobs are left are filled by illegals. It's really a wonderful thing when you have to be able to speak Spanish in America to be employable.

I think it's a combination of factors, blame can't really be laid on just one area.
You betcha..Recently I had to call a gov't sponsored agency..When the menu came up..it was in Spanish, and if you wanted English, it was no.2. No.2!!! WTF.. Last I knew English was the language of record here.
On 20/20 a while back there was an interview with a husband and wife who were complaining that since their children were born here..and citizens.. why could they be deported since they "loved"this country..All that in Spanish!!! Now they stated that they'd been here 20 years..Why then did they not speak the language?
 

misshestermoffitt

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Yep where I live a lot of jobs now you have to be able to speak Spanish. We're being discriminated against in our own country in favor of people who are illegals. Just the very word illegals says it all.

If I'm standing on the corner, next to an obvious illegal and I light up a joint, who do you think the cops will arrest?
 

Anotheroldephart

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Ummm not the illegal?
In my opinion there would be fewer illegals if Americans would take the jobs.Now i realize that these jobs may not be glamourous or high paying but they are jobs.Part of the problem I believe is TV.. Recently I was watching this show where the badgal, who had a minimum wage job, had a 2500sf apartment on the beach. Reality right? Unfortunately too many folks think that what they see on TV is REAL *lol*
Next I'm sure you've heard the gripes about the "lousy" immigrants who run the local convenient store and how "they" are taking jobs away from Americans.. Well..no.. The immigrants save their money, usually pooling it with other family members, to buy the store to provide for their childrens future. I hear"lousy fucking foreigners", I ask why, you can't save or think of the future? All I get is grumbles. It seems to me that too many Americans are hung up on "bling"..You know..keeping up with the Jones. There was a time in this country that buying on credit was the LAST thing most people wanted to do. Now a days it seemsto be "i've still got credit on my card..let's go BUY... Check out the Chase commercial...RThenn when something negative happens it's "call the debt consolidators"
' How can folks let themselves get 15K-20K in credit card debt?
 

misshestermoffitt

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I'm not against immigrants, if they assimilate and pay taxes and become Americans.

I'm against the ones who come here illegally and pop out a few kids to tie them here. They work for cash, they don't pay taxes, they use up services that taxpayers not only pay for, but then can't qualify for because the agencies are to strapped by the burden of illegals. They drive around with no drivers license and no insurance, which on the ice and snow can get really ugly.

Actually in my town some people from India bought the Dairy Queen and the food has never been better. It's always made fresh, which I don't mind waiting a few minutes for and your order is always correct. They went ahead and learned English, they pay taxes, they contribute to society, not just to their own family.
 

medicineman

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I had no problem with the original NAFTA, if you had a factory in the US and you opened another one in canada or mexico you got some breaks. but, if you closed your US factory you were penalized, those rules got changed under Bush...
Well, obviously you didn't have a factory job in the rust belt. 12 million jobs have been lost since the enactment of Nafta. It did very little good for Americans and a lot more harm, that is if you count job loss as harmful. I saw it as a scam even before it was enacted and that is one thing I disliked about slick Willie. Don't get me wrong, he did a lot for the economy when he was in, but that NAFTA thingy didn't really get rolling untill he was out of office, and then the repukes piled on. Reganomics took hold and we are where we are.
 

medicineman

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ATTABOY!!! If i knew how to give reps I would!!!! Check out his rants(medi) on book reviews... He stats..I ask for facts..he calls me Nazi.. He complains about conreps not caring..when asked what he does..I'm a Nazi!~!*lol* any questions..I'm a Nazi..asked for proof..I'm a nazi..sound familiar?*g*
Hey you young Nazi punk, How's it hanging,~LOL~?
 

misshestermoffitt

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I know of a factory near me that moved to China, I know of another one that moved to Mexico and another that is just empty, not sure where it moved to. That's just within 30 miles of me. I'm sure there are more. I wonder how many jobs those 3 places added up to?
 

Anotheroldephart

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Hey you young Nazi punk, How's it hanging,~LOL~?
Your rants are getting stales senile one.. Stalinist

the more you ope your mouth..the more you show your ass Did you forget to take your dementia medicine?Here's some toilet paper..diarrhea is dripping down your chin...
 

Anotheroldephart

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Such eloquent speakers on this thread. I'm guessing you were all English majors?
NA just tired of LEO spying that's all*lol* Just having some fun, but you're right..been done..now over done. Just dislike being called a Nazi because I don't agree with him, but he's no fun any more..at least give me a bit of credit for a broader vocabulary. My apologies.
 

max420thc

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NAFTA..GATT..and permanent most favored nation trade status for china were all passed and approved by bill clinton...NAFTA was the begining the end...chinese communists agents were paying uncle slick under the table all the time he was in office..he even let the chinese have some of our most sophisticated missile tech...bill clinton is without a doubt a traitor to his country for a few dollars..and you think you got change do you? you got change, right back to the clinton admin....you just re elected the clinton admin....the clinton admin is when interest rates fell to one percent and stayed their for like ever..and all this sub prime shit started under clinton..the nations personal debt exploded under clinton...anyone would have a good economy for awile..i can make a good economy for awile for anyone in here...let me borrow your credit card and spend money for you...you will live like a king...for awile..till the bills come due..you cant ship all your manifacturing jobs out of your country and expect to have a economy solely on service related jobs..a country must produce..or it will die..the sad thing ab out this is the USA is normaly highly capable of producing goods..we just cant compete with our standard of living with the standard of living of communist slaves in china..not unless we become communist slaves ourselfs working for the state government..:leaf:
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I know of a factory near me that moved to China, I know of another one that moved to Mexico and another that is just empty, not sure where it moved to. That's just within 30 miles of me. I'm sure there are more. I wonder how many jobs those 3 places added up to?
What I don't understand is if so many of these laid off workers are so pissed off about losing their jobs, and are so sure they can do better. What's stopping them from putting their money where their mouth is. Surely it wouldn't be that hard for them to find the one's that got laid off and put together $10K each, with 2,000 people that's $20M, see if GM will just lease the factory, and then form a corporation, and start producing.

If the unions are so sure that they are not responsible for the collapse of GM then what's stopping them from proving it?

I've heard tales of electricians that got $200K for severance after just 5 years, and other workers that got $100K after 21 years. Seems to me that it's not just CEOs that are getting well rewarded for running companies into the ground.

However, unlike the CEOs, there's enough of those workers to at least try proving that they weren't responsible.

Then there's the UAW itself, which is sitting on Billions...

Billions, surely if they are so sure that they are not responsible they could buy a factory from GM themselves. I'm sure GM would be happy to sell. Or if not GM any number of manufacturers with spare factories lying empty up here...

Or the Mill Workers up in Minnesota. Surely if the Mill was profitable they'd have no problems getting a bank to float them a loan if they all pulled together and came up with 10 - 20% of whatever it'd take to buy that Mill.

Instead the UAW just keeps on whining about how GM, Ford and Chrysler need to be bailed out. P'raps it should be considered that actions do speak louder than words, and from their actions it would seem that the UAW is full of leaches and cowards.
 

medicineman

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What I don't understand is if so many of these laid off workers are so pissed off about losing their jobs, and are so sure they can do better. What's stopping them from putting their money where their mouth is. Surely it wouldn't be that hard for them to find the one's that got laid off and put together $10K each, with 2,000 people that's $20M, see if GM will just lease the factory, and then form a corporation, and start producing.

If the unions are so sure that they are not responsible for the collapse of GM then what's stopping them from proving it?

I've heard tales of electricians that got $200K for severance after just 5 years, and other workers that got $100K after 21 years. Seems to me that it's not just CEOs that are getting well rewarded for running companies into the ground.

However, unlike the CEOs, there's enough of those workers to at least try proving that they weren't responsible.

Then there's the UAW itself, which is sitting on Billions...

Billions, surely if they are so sure that they are not responsible they could buy a factory from GM themselves. I'm sure GM would be happy to sell. Or if not GM any number of manufacturers with spare factories lying empty up here...

Or the Mill Workers up in Minnesota. Surely if the Mill was profitable they'd have no problems getting a bank to float them a loan if they all pulled together and came up with 10 - 20% of whatever it'd take to buy that Mill.

Instead the UAW just keeps on whining about how GM, Ford and Chrysler need to be bailed out. P'raps it should be considered that actions do speak louder than words, and from their actions it would seem that the UAW is full of leaches and cowards.
There you go again with pulling figures out of your big fat ass. Let me see some proof if you are going to spew bullshit like the above, What's that you say, you cant, go figure.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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There you go again with pulling figures out of your big fat ass. Let me see some proof if you are going to spew bullshit like the above, What's that you say, you cant, go figure.
What you mean that the UAW isn't sitting on Billions, surely all those pension accounts could be leveraged... unless they already have been buying those million dollar golf-courses for the union leaders.

I'm afraid that your "enlightened" union leaders are nothing more but soft-speaking assholes so much like the CEOs...
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Of course if you're referring to the $100,000 and $200,000 figures, then perhaps you are a bigger fool than I gave you credit for. Perhaps I should repeat my location, which is in Dayton, right by the GM Morraine Assembly, well, what was the GM Morraine Assembly. 2,000+ workers since this disaster started earlier in 2008. Three rounds of lay offs, starting with 3rd shift, and working down to include... EVERYONE.

Of course, I supposed after taxes the real figures are only $80,000 and $160,000, but nonetheless, I did hear what I heard. Perhaps you should be quiet Med, seeing as how you are way the fuck in CALIFORNIA and thus are so far away from GM's Assembly plants as to not be able to speak about it.
 
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