Strange looking clones

Odin*

Odin*

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@Afgan King I do my best to replicate nature. Earthquakes? Pick up a cup/bucket and shake 'em, or use a forklift. Subzero? I grow in a large freezer, -20F for the last too weeks. Desert dry/heat? Don't water for two weeks, turn the dehu down to "0", and shut the AC off, lights turned up to "HO". Tsunami? Dump a 1,000 gallon tank... on each plant. Bear scratching against a tree trunk? Rub my balls all over them. Dog marking territory? I've got a big dog, we compete for dominant domain. Tornado? I lower an industrial trimmer over them... mid bloom.

"For seriouslies, bro". :bigjoint:



Chill tunes, good vibes...

 
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bryan oconner

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Budley Doright said:
Do they still sell magic 8 balls? I've seen you room and I'm getting one :).
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we use them to diagnose cars lol majic 8 balls are smart .only yours joke . f96449a25415ecc22dca2c9fd8647815[1].jpg I have a few new pics to share .one I posted in chat not my woman . my ladies friend . and I am a dirty dog . take it from there any way you like .
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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bryan oconner said:
we use them to diagnose cars lol majic 8 balls are smart .only yours joke . View attachment 3766426 I have a few new pics to share .one I posted in chat not my woman . my ladies friend . and I am a dirty dog . take it from there any way you like .
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I just read that thread like a day or so ago off google, that butt drew me in, what a coincedence. There use to be a thread where we could post topless pics of our girlfriends but Rollie kept closing them down.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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I just agree with what Cat of Curiosity said on the subject, his knowledge is vast and concise, pretty much just wades in a wipes the floor with all of us, pretty cool.

Kinda getting sick of the amount of mutant threads on here recently, swimming in a sea of mutants!
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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Kingrow1 said:
I just agree with what Cat of Curiosity said on the subject, his knowledge is vast and concise, pretty much just wades in a wipes the floor with all of us, pretty cool.

Kinda getting sick of the amount of mutant threads on here recently, swimming in a sea of mutants!
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thing is, those cuttings are recovering now and will soon look completely normal. cuts taken from a flowering plant reveg to a point of vegetative growth. it's just that simple in this case.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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cat of curiosity said:
thing is, those cuttings are recovering now and will soon look completely normal. cuts taken from a flowering plant reveg to a point of vegetative growth. it's just that simple in this case.
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Totally, my first post was just that it was nothing to do with mutations and crap before it went off at a tangent. Like every grower with a problems is shouting mutation and then starting a breeding program at the slightest of problems thesedays. Just the amount of posters who argue the point is getting ridiculous. Suppose the op was convinced it was a genetic mutation.... he would have never have solved nothing.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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cat of curiosity said:
thing is, those cuttings are recovering now and will soon look completely normal. cuts taken from a flowering plant reveg to a point of vegetative growth. it's just that simple in this case.
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I know that I'm beating a dead horse here, but what I said (in regard to epigenetic variations) and the links that I posted covered this;


"Rapid adaptation to unfavorable conditions is achieved by regulating gene expression through cytosine methylation. Stress-induced genetic and epigenetic variations were observed..."

"Environmental conditions can change the activity of plant genes via epigenetic effects that alter the competence of genetic information to be expressed. "


When I first responded to @Kingrow1 , I was not asserting that OP's issue was a permanent genetic mutation, just pointing out that stress can permanently alter a plant's (generally speaking) DNA, as well as causing "odd" variations in gene expression (which directly relates to OP's "issue").


Now that we've cleared the air, let's fill it with smoke. :bigjoint:
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Odin* said:
I know that I'm beating a dead horse here, but what I said (in regard to epigenetic variations) and the links that I posted covered this;


"Rapid adaptation to unfavorable conditions is achieved by regulating gene expression through cytosine methylation. Stress-induced genetic and epigenetic variations were observed..."

"Environmental conditions can change the activity of plant genes via epigenetic effects that alter the competence of genetic information to be expressed. "


When I first responded to @Kingrow1 , I was not asserting that OP's issue was a permanent genetic mutation, just pointing out that stress can permanently alter a plant's (generally speaking) DNA, as well as causing "odd" variations in gene expression (which directly relates to OP's "issue").


Now that we've cleared the air, let's fill it with smoke. :bigjoint:
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If i take dna and stress it i wouldnt be inducing a mutation but inflicting damage on certain lengths of it, this damage can then show up in subsequent generations through replication. I didnt think this had any relevance to the subject of mutation and id assume that if you kept on damaging dna eventually it would loose its viability and just cease to function.

I would see this as the opposite to breedable traits and more along the lines of degredation, radiation and stuff like that will probably induce stuff like that...
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Odin* said:
I know that I'm beating a dead horse here, but what I said (in regard to epigenetic variations) and the links that I posted covered this;


"Rapid adaptation to unfavorable conditions is achieved by regulating gene expression through cytosine methylation. Stress-induced genetic and epigenetic variations were observed..."

"Environmental conditions can change the activity of plant genes via epigenetic effects that alter the competence of genetic information to be expressed. "


When I first responded to @Kingrow1 , I was not asserting that OP's issue was a permanent genetic mutation, just pointing out that stress can permanently alter a plant's (generally speaking) DNA, as well as causing "odd" variations in gene expression (which directly relates to OP's "issue").


Now that we've cleared the air, let's fill it with smoke. :bigjoint:
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Futher to this ive written about why we see three leafed seedlings and whorled phyllotaxy, its not the plants dna that is stressed its the rna which subsequently messes with the dna. When the stress dissapears the rna fixes itself and the dna starts making normal growth. A lot of peeps think these are breedable traits but i see direct correlation between rna stress and tri leafed seedlings. The dna never mutats or changes but is directly affected by the stressed out rna making peeps think they have a genetic mutation.

A lot of this makes more sense than the bro science that frequents these forums and nicely cleans up these issues (well until the next mutant four node plant thread).
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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So by arguing that stress causes a change in DNA we would have a world of constantly changing species on a weekly basis would we not? I just don't see the validity in this. I do see that stress can cause immediate changes in a plants growth but not turning it into a new species which if changing the DNA would if my very limited knowledge base (Bill Nye the science guy show) is correct. Interesting subject though if we can keep the name calling and puffed chest thing out of it ...... Just saying :).
 
Odin*

Odin*

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Budley Doright said:
So by arguing that stress causes a change in DNA we would have a world of constantly changing species on a weekly basis would we not? I just don't see the validity in this. I do see that stress can cause immediate changes in a plants growth but not turning it into a new species which if changing the DNA would if my very limited knowledge base (Bill Nye the science guy show) is correct. Interesting subject though if we can keep the name calling and puffed chest thing out of it ...... Just saying :).
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No, minor alterations to DNA happen within plants due to minor stressors. However, plants have developed "coping mechanisms" that are capable of repair. It is when the stress exceeds the plants ability to repair that permanent damage is caused. This generally occurs over time, rather than a single traumatic event, thus the term cumulative stress. Cumulative stress is an issue that agriculturalists are still trying to solve. CS won't turn the plant into a new species overnight, but it does effect crop vigor, resistance to disease and insects, yield, and overall quality. Aside from damage to DNA, stress can also cause variations in epigenetic expression. For instance, the stress from reveg can (and usually does) cause the plant to express "odd"/small leaf growth. @Afgan King has witnessed variations due to the stress of "abusive" cloning.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Odin* said:
No, minor alterations to DNA happen within plants due to minor stressors. However, plants have developed "coping mechanisms" that are capable of repair. It is when the stress exceeds the plants ability to repair that permanent damage is caused. This generally occurs over time, rather than a single traumatic event, thus the term cumulative stress. Cumulative stress is an issue that agriculturalists are still trying to solve. CS won't turn the plant into a new species overnight, but it does effect crop vigor, resistance to disease and insects, yield, and overall quality. Aside from damage to DNA, stress can also cause variations in epigenetic expression. For instance, the stress from reveg can (and usually does) cause the plant to express "odd"/small leaf growth. @Afgan King has witnessed variations due to the stress of "abusive" cloning.
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Thanks, I did try and read up on this a bit but wow, deep when you just smoked one :(. Perhaps later I'll have a look lol.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Odin* said:
No, minor alterations to DNA happen within plants due to minor stressors. However, plants have developed "coping mechanisms" that are capable of repair. It is when the stress exceeds the plants ability to repair that permanent damage is caused. This generally occurs over time, rather than a single traumatic event, thus the term cumulative stress. Cumulative stress is an issue that agriculturalists are still trying to solve. CS won't turn the plant into a new species overnight, but it does effect crop vigor, resistance to disease and insects, yield, and overall quality. Aside from damage to DNA, stress can also cause variations in epigenetic expression. For instance, the stress from reveg can (and usually does) cause the plant to express "odd"/small leaf growth. @Afgan King has witnessed variations due to the stress of "abusive" cloning.
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Im pretty sure its not the actual dna code your refering to when you quote this but the end proteins of the dna chain or telemeres which affect the dnas ability to replicate. This is the reason for old age in all species and is not a mutation of sorts or a change in the genetic material.

I mentioned the immortal jellyfish in a previous post and how they avoid cumulative stress by their telemeres.

Stress will cause this quite easily and we see cell degredation. Again i think your confusing mutation with other subjects but im lretty sure a lot of this is more complex than we think.
 
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