Stress+Recovery time=Better yield & potency

Kushash

Kushash

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Lordhooha said:
Dark yellow doesn’t sound right. What all do you add?
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I'm beginning to think it's been way more than 4 runs that I have amended this soil lol.
Tap water is 400-500ppm cut with RO to 150ppms.

What have I added?
It changes so I may not be accurate.

Water only for the 1st 4 or 5 weeks.

My plants are sativa dominant hybrids and always like a bit more N in early flower.
Early flower I'll give a top dressing of DTE Bio Live 5-4-2 and some castings.
On average maybe 2 or 3 light feedings 100ppms of epsom salt during the grow.

This gets hard to list as I've experimented at times with adding:
Gypsum.
Fish Emulsion.
Seaweed extract.

Other top dressings instead of Bio Live like FF Happy Frog 6-4-4 or FF marine Cuisine 10-7-7 or DTE Bio Fish.
I hardly use my G.O. Cal/mag+ these days and used it regulary in past grows.

Ive also top dressed during a grow with individual dry amendments at different times:
Kelp Meal
Blood Meal.
Alphalfa meal
Bat guano
Crab Meal
Probably missing some.

I just went through old pictures from about 4 grows back and now think Ive rebuilt this soil many more times than I think by adding Peat, Coco, perlite and other dry amendments to the old soil.

My thinking is that a salt build up is natural over time especially if not watering to run off but I don't have a good understanding of it yet.

That's why I asked if you guys leach your soil after harvest before re amending. In my case I feel I'll need at least check them for a salt build up after harvest going forward.
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Kushash said:
I'm beginning to think it's been way more than 4 runs that I have amended this soil lol.
Tap water is 400-500ppm cut with RO to 150ppms.

What have I added?
It changes so I may not be accurate.

Water only for the 1st 4 or 5 weeks.

My plants are sativa dominant hybrids and always like a bit more N in early flower.
Early flower I'll give a top dressing of DTE Bio Live 5-4-2 and some castings.
On average maybe 2 or 3 light feedings 100ppms of epsom salt during the grow.

This gets hard to list as I've experimented at times with adding:
Gypsum.
Fish Emulsion.
Seaweed extract.

Other top dressings instead of Bio Live like FF Happy Frog 6-4-4 or FF marine Cuisine 10-7-7 or DTE Bio Fish.
I hardly use my G.O. Cal/mag+ these days and used it regulary in past grows.

Ive also top dressed during a grow with individual dry amendments at different times:
Kelp Meal
Blood Meal.
Alphalfa meal
Bat guano
Crab Meal
Probably missing some.

I just went through old pictures from about 4 grows back and now think Ive rebuilt this soil many more times than I think by adding Peat, Coco, perlite and other dry amendments to the old soil.

My thinking is that a salt build up is natural over time especially if not watering to run off but I don't have a good understanding of it yet.

That's why I asked if you guys leach your soil after harvest before re amending. In my case I feel I'll need at least check them for a salt build up after harvest going forward.
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Do you have a soil test kit? like a good one that breaks down what's actually in there still. Maybe your plants aren't using up what you think they are. I amend only what's needed I'll add new fresh promix every so many runs.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Lordhooha said:
Do you have a soil test kit? like a good one that breaks down what's actually in there still. Maybe your plants aren't using up what you think they are. I amend only what's needed I'll add new fresh promix every so many runs.
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I don't have a soil test kit. The plants not using up what I think they are is a possibility that I haven't considered. After so many runs it would be a good idea for me to send in a soil sample and have it tested to see.
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Kushash said:
I don't have a soil test kit. The plants not using up what I think they are is a possibility that I haven't considered. After so many runs it would be a good idea for me to send in a soil sample and have it tested to see.
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There are plenty of test kits that work well for home use.
 
Pwezzy

Pwezzy

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On the topic of reusing soil.
I have this pile of old soil from my plant that turned out to be male. It's been sitting for probably about 2 months maybe longer. So can I mix it with new soil or do I need some more organic additives to rejuvenate it.
 

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Pwezzy

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Ok I just Google it. Got damn y'all so silent when I'm asking good grow questions but quick to comment when I say something y'all dislike. Shame, thought y'all was elite growers smdh lol
 
Kushash

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Pwezzy said:
Ok I just Google it. Got damn y'all so silent when I'm asking good grow questions but quick to comment when I say something y'all dislike. Shame, thought y'all was elite growers smdh lol
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A question usually ends with this (?) not this (.).

I only use my soil indoors not outdoors so my method might not apply to outdoor soil.

If it was me I'd probably add this or that but I would also know the history of the soil. I have no idea what is in that pile of dirt to be able to guess what to add to it.

You can learn a lot about mixing soils by googling it or checking the organic section and reading threads with soil recipes.
Many of us sign off for several hours after posting.
Be patient, don't go back to acting Pwzzy.
Do some homework on re amending or building a soil and then ask for help on what you don't understand.
 
Pwezzy

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Kushash said:
A question usually ends with this (?) not this (.).

I only use my soil indoors not outdoors so my method might not apply to outdoor soil.

If it was me I'd probably add this or that but I would also know the history of the soil. I have no idea what is in that pile of dirt to be able to guess what to add to it.

You can learn a lot about mixing soils by googling it or checking the organic section and reading threads with soil recipes.
Many of us sign off for several hours after posting.
Be patient, don't go back to acting Pwzzy.
Do some homework on re amending or building a soil and then ask for help on what you don't understand.
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Ok calm down just a lil joke. But I did actually go through some threads and google, think I'ma use it for a compost pile one day.
 
charface

charface

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Yeah, when i looked at the pic and seen it was just out on the ground I decided not to comment because It might start a shit storm of controversy.
Cant have that in this wonderful thread.
In short I agree with throwing it in a compost pile.

However in the future realise that the soil you pull a male from contains exudates, microbes and fungi

Even better next time don't pull the male. Cut it and leave those roots in place and only remove enough to plant another plant.

The established roots have already made paths that the new roots will follow and will require much less energy to do so. As they break down they will also become food.

Plus all those exudates, microbes n fungi will be in place.

Topdress with dry organic amendments every couple weeks and apply microbial tea about once a month and there ya go

There was a recent video or podcast that covered the root info but I cant remember which one so I cant link it.
If i remember Ill post it

#epsomsalts
 
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charface

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That last post is the end result of a lot of work and research but it is painfully simple if you just accept it as fact.

Like using a light switch.
You need not be an electrician to plug in a lamp.

But the research is really interesting
So I say keep doing that as well
 
charface

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I don't consider myself elite for the record.
The more you learn the more you see there is soooo much you don't know.




Pwezzy said:
Ok I just Google it. Got damn y'all so silent when I'm asking good grow questions but quick to comment when I say something y'all dislike. Shame, thought y'all was elite growers smdh lol
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Kushash

Kushash

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charface said:
Yeah, when i looked at the pic and seen it was just out on the ground I decided not to comment because It might start a shit storm of controversy.
Cant have that in this wonderful thread.
In short I agree with throwing it in a compost pile.

However in the future realise that the soil you pull a male from contains exudates, microbes and fungi

Even better next time don't pull the male. Cut it and leave those roots in place and only remove enough to plant another plant.

The established roots have already made paths that the new roots will follow and will require much less energy to do so. As they break down they will also become food.

Plus all those exudates, microbes n fungi will be in place.

Topdress with dry organic amendments every couple weeks and apply microbial tea about once a month and there ya go

There was a recent video or podcast that covered the root info but I cant remember which one so I cant link it.
If i remember Ill post it

#epsomsalts
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No-Till is supposed to work better in big pots but I've had good results in small 3 gallon pots especially if the plant was pulled early, in my case with feminized seeds I usually pull early do to hermies.

Pictured below I harvested plant # 1 in the last solo cup comp and I'm growing a plant in the same solo cup now. I just cut out the center and planted a germinated seed. Top dressed with castings, kelp meal and DTE Bio Live, a pinch of gypsum and a pinch of lime.

1st pic plant #1 before harvest with 3 of its sisters.
My root system on all 4 plants was not impressive.
3rd pic shows the No Till solo cup plant on the left. The plant on the right was in my newest batch of soil.
Unfortunately these two plants (recently leached) and the previously harvested plants were in soil that had a salt build up.
Just practicing for the next solo cup comp, I obviously need the practice lol.
I topped in the 1st grow so I'm trying it without topping.

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Pwezzy

Pwezzy

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charface said:
That last post is the end result of a lot of work and research but it is painfully simple if you just accept it as fact.

Like using a light switch.
You need not be an electrician to plug in a lamp.

But the research is really interesting
So I say keep doing that as well
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I stay reading Organics thread and been thinking of compost pile for awhile but think I might wait until I move.
 
Pwezzy

Pwezzy

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Kushash said:
No-Till is supposed to work better in big pots but I've had good results in small 3 gallon pots especially if the plant was pulled early, in my case with feminized seeds I usually pull early do to hermies.

Pictured below I harvested plant # 1 in the last solo cup comp and I'm growing a plant in the same solo cup now. I just cut out the center and planted a germinated seed. Top dressed with castings, kelp meal and DTE Bio Live, a pinch of gypsum and a pinch of lime.

1st pic plant #1 before harvest with 3 of its sisters.
My root system on all 4 plants was not impressive.
3rd pic shows the No Till solo cup plant on the left. The plant on the right was in my newest batch of soil.
Unfortunately these two plants (recently leached) and the previously harvested plants were in soil that had a salt build up.
Just practicing for the next solo cup comp, I obviously need the practice lol.
I topped in the 1st grow so I'm trying it without topping.

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Thought about trying the solo cup thing when I get more familiar with clone's. My question is how you avoid the roots getting root bound?
 
charface

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I love the idea of a compost pile.
But It was just easier and faster to start with bags and go from there.

We are putting raised beds next year
And I will just start with truckloads of bulk garden soil.

The worm farm is a great thing but so god damn slow I said fuck it.
I can buy castings if I want them.
Granted they wont be the same quality but they are plenty good enough.

I just have too many projects to babysit worms and compost.
But in the future i can see it happening

Pwezzy said:
I stay reading Organics thread and been thinking of compost pile for awhile but think I might wait until I move.
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Pwezzy

Pwezzy

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charface said:
I love the idea of a compost pile.
But It was just easier and faster to start with bags and go from there.

We are putting raised beds next year
And I will just start with truckloads of bulk garden soil.

The worm farm is a great thing but so god damn slow I said fuck it.
I can buy castings if I want them.
Granted they wont be the same quality but they are plenty good enough.

I just have too many projects to babysit worms and compost.
But in the future i can see it happening
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Yeah think I'ma start with a small pile, just to get my hands dirty and see the benefits. Interested in going out somewhere to get some fresh horse or even cow manure to toss in the pile.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Pwezzy said:
Thought about trying the solo cup thing when I get more familiar with clone's. My question is how you avoid the roots getting root bound?
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I'm shooting for root bound actually. A root bound plant can be dealt with OK if fed and watered properly.
I would hope a root bound plant is going to follow through with larger buds than what I've seen so far.
I don't know what the roots look like this time but last time they were shallow.
I'm a newbie to solo cup growing. Last comp was my 1st comp.
 
charface

charface

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Pwezzy said:
Yeah think I'ma start with a small pile, just to get my hands dirty and see the benefits. Interested in going out somewhere to get some fresh horse or even cow manure to toss in the pile.
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I live in the woods so I get to witness the cycle yearly. Like they say nobody
Feeds or tills that shit and every year it thrives.
Microbial diversity.
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Pwezzy

Pwezzy

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Kushash said:
I'm shooting for root bound actually. A root bound plant can be dealt with OK if fed and watered properly.
I would hope a root bound plant is going to follow through with larger buds than what I've seen so far.
I don't know what the roots look like this time but last time they were shallow.
I'm a newbie to solo cup growing. Last comp was my 1st comp.
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Thank you. Wanted to know how you could deal with a plant that goes root bound. Got a plant I don't feel like transplanting yet, so was thinking maybe I could top dress with some worm casting until I transplant.
 
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