taekwondoguy
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Do you guys find that plants that are strong vegetative producers are big bud producers as well?
Strong veg=big buds
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hotrodharley
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Depends on the strain.
taekwondoguy
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I'm talking generally is this true?
Midnite Gardener
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Not necessarily. I've had some sativas that grow fast and branchy in veg but the buds are small and wispy. I've also had indicas that grow slow and squat in veg, but put out some nice yields of dense buds. Veg strength is generally not an indicator of what kind of yield you're going to get.
Gquebed
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Absolutely Yes. Yield is entirely dependant on how veg goes. The healthier a plant is going into bloom the better.
Same with humans. Sickly children grow into adults with ongoing health problems.
That is not to say a plant wont yield well after a troubled veg, but it would yoeld even more if that were not the case.
Same with sickly children. They may live healthy lives in adulthood, but they would be healthy adults if their early health was better.
peter berger
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I wish that was true. 
BuzzD2Kill
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Strong veg = better chance of maximizing flower? 
Midnite Gardener
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He didn't ask if healthy plants in veg will do better in flower than sick plants. He specifically asked if "strong vegetative producers are big bud producers".
Gquebed
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Are you sure you know what he meant?
If what you say is true then if course the answer isbthat such is strain dependant. But...given that he didnt know that already then it seems he is a newb...and more likely asked wanted to know in general how important veg is to flowering.... and the answer to that is extremely....
Midnite Gardener
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Based on his wording, "vegetative strong producers" does not imply a question about healthy vs sick plants. "strong producers" to me means vigorous growth, or producing a lot of foliage. Otherwise he would have asked "are healthy plants big bud producers?" I'm probably not the best person to ask what he meant, since I'm only going by the definition of words. You could always ask OP for clarification.
But you made an absolute statement: "Absolutely Yes. Yield is entirely dependant on how veg goes." Which is not entirely true. Some strains are low yielders, no matter how healthy or perfect they are in veg.
So there are two answers here. Yield is dependent on several factors, but mainly:
1) Yield is strain dependent.
2) Yield can be affected by the health of the plant in veg prior to going into flower.
But you made an absolute statement: "Absolutely Yes. Yield is entirely dependant on how veg goes." Which is not entirely true. Some strains are low yielders, no matter how healthy or perfect they are in veg.
So there are two answers here. Yield is dependent on several factors, but mainly:
1) Yield is strain dependent.
2) Yield can be affected by the health of the plant in veg prior to going into flower.
Final Phase
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I had 8 LA Confidential that vegged for 41/2 months from clone. Had big beautiful buds. Thought I was going to get a kick ass yield but instead found the buds to be light as air... Only got ⅓ of the yield I thought I'd get.
Final Phase
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Also very true - I had 33 plants that were attacked by spider mites from beginning to end - Damn mites would hit weak parts of the plants and just massacred the entire crop giving up a yield of only 12 ounces! Should have gotten at least 4 lbs.
Gquebed
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I stand by my answer. Absolutely yes. Vegetative health dictates how the plant will yield, assuming no probs in bloom. Period.
As for my other post, i have changed my mind. Such is not strain dependant. It is relative. A low yielding strain will yield as much as it possibly can if veg stage was flawless (assuming no probs through bloom either). If veg stage was problematic it may still yield well, but likely not as much as it could have.
Same goes for a high yielding strain.
We may have interpreted the OPs question differently and maybe my use of analogy confused you. But essentially we are saying the same thing. Except for you are not being as definate as i am.
But i think what i said above is pretty obvious to anybody has been throw more than a few grows.
Midnite Gardener
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Of course you would double down. Look how easily you contradict yourself in the same paragraph.
Gquebed
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Contradict myself? Not at all. I changed my mind/opinion, as I clearly said.
What you've demonstrated now is that maybe it is you who has the literacy problem.
MrStickyScissors
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No, just because it grows fast in veg means nothing. the longer you veg and the more of a root mass you build up before flower will determine your yield other that the strain factor and climate.