Supercropping and Canopy Control

Shwagbag

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This thread will never die!

When I start my next grow I'll be all over this method again.
Hells yeah, those plants were freakin' phenomenal! Matatan has some killer buds cropped in coco too.

I've been cropping mine the first week of flowering to get the canopy clos(er) to even. Its been a challenge keeping it all consistent when I'm flowering different strains with varying veg times. I have an absolute MONSTER of a PPP plant that I would love to scrog in my new tent. My electrician friend is too busy and I need to do some electrical additions before I can.
 

arsenal69

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Hells yeah, those plants were freakin' phenomenal! Matatan has some killer buds cropped in coco too.

I've been cropping mine the first week of flowering to get the canopy clos(er) to even. Its been a challenge keeping it all consistent when I'm flowering different strains with varying veg times. I have an absolute MONSTER of a PPP plant that I would love to scrog in my new tent. My electrician friend is too busy and I need to do some electrical additions before I can.
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Jozikins

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What kinda light are you using for your seedlings Jozi? I just use T5's, I germinate in paper towels until I get about a 1" root then transplant to solo cups or pots. I like T5's because I can get the light right down on the seedlings without burning them and they can grow compact. Will check back in tonight. Have a good day peeps.
I start everything under 1 3ft T5 HO, I think it's like 32 watts, and it's 6500k. and then down below I have a combo of 2ft 4 bulb 6500K T5HO fixture and a 125w 2700K CFL in a bitching sweet modified HID hood. I have a 4" inline fan pulling air through the room and a 12" fan blowing down from the rack above, and I have a air purifier circulating air in there now too. Germinating process is pretty similar, but I'm about to go back to party cups instead of 4" pots, I don't know why, but I swear to god I do better in them.

thats funny becuase im the opposite, i do great from seed and cant clone for the life of me lolol:roll: i honestly dont kno what the fuck im doing wrong but all the clones iv taken have limped/leaned over and fail.
Lol, seems like growing ganja isn't like riding a bike. I can't slack off anywhere if I want my shit looking good. Makes me want to get back into hydroponics again.

My cloning rate is up and down bad! I've been using the schultz powder and a mixture of 50% coco & 50% FF Happy Frog with good results recently PH water to 6.5 and spraying with a foliar mixture of Dynagro KLN with a little bit of lime.

I prefer seed but nothing beats the ease of taking a cutting from a proven producer. I have PPP and Crystal plants that have been through 7 or 8 cycles now.
Happy Frog is a little hot even if cut 50%. I didn't have great success doing that, I did the same thing but I cut it with Sunshine Mix #4. But it did work. Believe it or not, best clone success was when I had a big ol' slab of rockwool boiler insulation, and would just cut hunks of that out, jam it tight in a party cup with no drainage holes, and poke a hole in it. This stuff was a little fluffier than horticulture grade rockwool but because of all the extra air the roots got it would take off like a bat out of hell.

My routine is basic.I use Rapid Rooter's.100% every time.So many "How To Clone" thread's I'm not gonna put another one in.Few hints though.I dont PH my water,I take large cutting's and I never spray the cutting,not even once.If you feed her through her leaves she doesn't have a reason to root.Constant temp's no variation.
I'm actually not having great success with the rapid rooters, I was using these super generic ones though, I can't remember who makes them, but I can get like a trashbag full of them for 30 bucks, fucking awesome. Pretty similar to the rapid rooters but they don't crumble apart as easily, and they are more round. I know a guy who has crazy success in an aerocloner with water that is not pH adjusted. It blows my mind, it doesn't work so well for me right now around here though, my water just shot up to 8.0! Constant temp has definitely been helping my success rate. The high pH water is the only downside to growing in winter around here, but now I get to use my heat mat on my clones and they take off in 9 days.
Hells yeah, those plants were freakin' phenomenal! Matatan has some killer buds cropped in coco too.

I've been cropping mine the first week of flowering to get the canopy clos(er) to even. Its been a challenge keeping it all consistent when I'm flowering different strains with varying veg times. I have an absolute MONSTER of a PPP plant that I would love to scrog in my new tent. My electrician friend is too busy and I need to do some electrical additions before I can.
Would like to second that those plants were freakin' phenomenal. And everyone is talking about that PPP!! I think I need to get me some.
 

Shwagbag

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Cleaned the shit out of my room tonight, chopped a bubble gum, lolliipopped a shitload of flowering branches in my flo box and put an AK47 shrub into flower. I have my tent ready to go up tomorrow. I'm going to run 4 x 180 GLH spectras in a 4 x 4 scrog with a monster of a PPP plant. It will be my first try with LED's so I'm pretty excited. Not going to use any fancy feeding schedules..... I'm going to blaze Jacks Bloom and some fox farm solubles along with some organic additives. This plant is the specimen I've always dreamed of, going to veg her a couple extra weeks once I open her up on the screen and get her acclimated to her new home while she heals up. .
 

Jozikins

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Cleaned the shit out of my room tonight, chopped a bubble gum, lolliipopped a shitload of flowering branches in my flo box and put an AK47 shrub into flower. I have my tent ready to go up tomorrow. I'm going to run 4 x 180 GLH spectras in a 4 x 4 scrog with a monster of a PPP plant. It will be my first try with LED's so I'm pretty excited. Not going to use any fancy feeding schedules..... I'm going to blaze Jacks Bloom and some fox farm solubles along with some organic additives. This plant is the specimen I've always dreamed of, going to veg her a couple extra weeks once I open her up on the screen and get her acclimated to her new home while she heals up. .
Looking way the fuck forward to this. It's going to be a very cool experiment, maybe next time you can fiddle fuck around with hydroponics in the tent.
 

Shwagbag

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Looking way the fuck forward to this. It's going to be a very cool experiment, maybe next time you can fiddle fuck around with hydroponics in the tent.
That's the plan, I want to get rid of this vegging monster then tinker with either ebb and flow or DWC. Why are 4 x 4 trays so damn expensive!? lol

Here's where I'm at for now. She's in the tent but no screen. Running at about 79-81 degrees, its warm in the room with everything I have going on lol.

Ok Update, got the screen in and did some trimming on the under canopy. Need to do some more but I'm feeling pretty good about this. I should have transplanted her but I'm just going to run her and see what happens. Still considering nutrient options....

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Jozikins

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Love the chain link scrog, I've always wanted to do that, but didn't want to blow 60 bucks. It's not too late to transplant, but as long as she is at least a 7 gal she can pump out a half pound. Build a stand for your screen, you are going to shit bricks when you are half way through flowering, and bump that screen and rip a top in half. I nearly did it a few times with my screen mounted in place. Working with that screen will be like working on egg shells.

As far as nutrients go, you seem to be doing just fine with what you use, but I've seen great scrogging results (in and out of hydro) with House & Garden, Flora Nova, TechnaFlora, and BioBizz. Technaflora gives by far the fastest and most lush growth, but the tissue is watery and the stems snap easier than I would like. Which is why I like the H&G, it gives you dense tough stems, but they don't get big and fat. I'm honestly starting to believe that Flora Nova is the way to go as far as a general across-the-board blanket nutrient. Good for everything and anything in any situation, first time I've been comfortable about saying that for any grow product.

How is the stretch on that plant in flower? My Blue Dream doesn't need any time to stretch at all, as soon as the screen is filled you can flip, even if she isn't more than an inch or two above the screen. Some of my plants, like if I tried my SFV, would need to get a lot of veg time because she only stretches maybe 1/3 her size, usually less. Be aware of how dense her flowers get so you don't over crowd portions of the screen. It sucks deciding which beautiful nug lives or dies when it's starting to get pretty in there. My brother made that mistake, and I get to help him choose what to cut, because he is too scared to do it himself, god dammit. He is doing an interesting scrog with a White Berry, which has a little stretch, and a Grape Krush, which has a lot of branching and stretching. I think he got a good medium going on his first try too, thanks to a lot of my help. Dammit, lol.
 

Shwagbag

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Thanks Jozi, it seemed the best way for me to do it with the chain link gate, 43 bucks. I don't have time to build shit and time is money so I said fuggit. My plan is to hang the screen with ratcheting light adjusters on each of the 4 corners. I think that will serve me well. The stretch on PPP is about 1/3, short and sweet. I am inclined to transplant her but I don't want a taller bucket that raises the height. I'm slightly concerned as many growers have had problems with these GLH lights burning and bleaching from being too close. I think I'm going to do this one a mixture of organic and synthetic fertilizers. I have enough shit to grow for several years that I need to use up lol. Every trip to the grow store includes 30-40 dollars worth of shit I don't need (at least).

Thanks for the pointers, of all of my strains this is the one I have always wanted to scrog because she produces well, her stretch is minimal, smoke is good and the finish is fairly fast. Going to keep a close eye on ppm runoffs and PH every time I water most likely. PPP is hard to fuck up though! I would be disappointed if I didn't pull down at least 8 zips from it.

I added a link to my LED tent to my sig, everyone please feel free to follow along. Also please keep the super cropping pics and comments coming in!
 

Jozikins

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put and extra week or two longer on her veg than your expected., I have found 10gal pots that were just as tall as the 5's and 7's. Go fiddle fuck around at the grow store but don't grab any more magic tonic! ... unless I tell you too. lol.


I tell you man, all my buds from my last indoor and outdoor rounds were 100% organic start to finish, and I'm not so great at vegging these plants with organics... However it sure did make for the tastiest, smoothest, and most potent smoke I've ever enjoyed. And that is coming from someone who has grown award winning pot with synthetics. I'm going to switch it back up to synthetics again with a buttload of organics until I get rid of this synthetic stuff I still have (in the same boat as you) and master organics with vegging on a few test plants, can't be wasting anymore money on this stuff!

And you'll do fine with the lights, unlike many members here on RIU, you aren't a fucking idiot. We should start a club for that.
 

Shwagbag

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Thanks Mike, kinda quiet around here right now. Maybe people are trimming their outdoor and dialing in their new fall setups lol. Fixin to peep your 1200w scrog now! Thanks for the compliments.
 

Jozikins

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Thanks Mike, kinda quiet around here right now. Maybe people are trimming their outdoor and dialing in their new fall setups lol. Fixin to peep your 1200w scrog now! Thanks for the compliments.
That is exactly what is going on right now, hahaha. I have 1 more outdoor blue dream to go, and all my fall indoor set ups are just about at full juice, I just need a 1kw fixture for my main veg room. That and I'm going to go fuck the system with this here fake piss. Hasn't failed me yet. Ugh, the other day I tried to use it and the office was closed so I have to try today, but I had the squeeze cap on it, and it leaked like fake piss into my pocket all the way up the mountain as the liquid expanded, while my pocket put pressure on the bottle the entire time. Made me smell marginally pissy at my other doctors visit which was shitty, you really couldn't smell it though unless you had your hand jammed into my pocket.

When I get home I'm going to pH test whatever I don't use. It says it is pH balanced to ensure it passes, but what the fuck pH is the human body at? What pH is our piss at? Today I learn at least one of these things.
 

Shwagbag

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That is exactly what is going on right now, hahaha. I have 1 more outdoor blue dream to go, and all my fall indoor set ups are just about at full juice, I just need a 1kw fixture for my main veg room. That and I'm going to go fuck the system with this here fake piss. Hasn't failed me yet. Ugh, the other day I tried to use it and the office was closed so I have to try today, but I had the squeeze cap on it, and it leaked like fake piss into my pocket all the way up the mountain as the liquid expanded, while my pocket put pressure on the bottle the entire time. Made me smell marginally pissy at my other doctors visit which was shitty, you really couldn't smell it though unless you had your hand jammed into my pocket.

When I get home I'm going to pH test whatever I don't use. It says it is pH balanced to ensure it passes, but what the fuck pH is the human body at? What pH is our piss at? Today I learn at least one of these things.
Lol do you want me to PH test my piss for a larger sample group?
 

Jozikins

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I'm good brah, this is the scientific standard right here. If you could pH test your ass that would help me compile more info though.
 

gotigers0420

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I really cant go through this whole thread, but I am curious about supercropping in flower. I supercrop alot in veg but not yet in flower. I am attempting a perpetual grow and some of the different strains are peaking out at different heights. Just wondering if anyone had time to give an opinion. No buds yet.
 

Shwagbag

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I really cant go through this whole thread, but I am curious about supercropping in flower. I supercrop alot in veg but not yet in flower. I am attempting a perpetual grow and some of the different strains are peaking out at different heights. Just wondering if anyone had time to give an opinion. No buds yet.
The first recommendation I would suggest is using something to adjust the height at which the pots sit. I also run perpetual so I can relate to your challenges (I run a lot of different strains). My plant containers are being raised and lowered consistently and my light not so much.An earlier flowering plant for instance, can be elevated to make the canopy even with the others in the flowering area. I have and do supercrop in flower, specifically during the stretch and I have notice no visible difference or negative effects on the plant. Just be careful, they're a bit brittle during the stretch because the new growth is pretty "green". I try not to do it, but when necessary I do it. Control and manage your plant canopy simultaneously with your plants' container height and the results will be a better yield and a better product!

My light barely moves, only slight changes based on what the canopy is doing overall... Think of your canopy as pieces to a puzzle that create a blanket of buds. Keep it as even as possible and you will be a happy grower :D More info than you asked for and I apologize if this is all something you already know and do, but a lot of growers fail to do this and it causes excessive stretching and smaller yields.

Go Tigers 2012, go Wings, and GO LIONS!

I'm good brah, this is the scientific standard right here. If you could pH test your ass that would help me compile more info though.
Go take a piss! My ass is coming in HOT today at 5.2, will check again tomorrow lol

Really though, I read that urine can range from 4.5 - 8 depending on diet.
 

Jozikins

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LOL, nearly believed you for a second on the ass temp. 5.2 seems pretty reasonable if you have diarrhea, lol. That is one hell of a variable. You'd have to be sucking lemons and and scarfing jalepenos to get your piss down to 4.5, and I have no damn idea what could cause your piss to go to 8.0!

Used the Quick Fix to fill up the piss cup, but I didn't want to give an exact 2oz so I bought another product called Synthetix5 to top it off. I decided to use the Quick Fix as the base because it has always worked for me and my family/friends and the Synthetix5 didn't have as good of reviews, it comes out diluted on the test result. I used the Synthetix to top it off just to give a little more than 2oz, a little bit over the fill line, and then I used it to dress the sides of the cup with dribbles, inside and out, so it looks like I missed. I'm like CSI for faking your piss test.

Was able to crotch it in with some extra extra tight underwear (it's natural if you get a visual, because it was as glorious as you think) and was able to evade detection when asked to empty my pockets.

And my corn dogs are ready.
 

gotigers0420

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The first recommendation I would suggest is using something to adjust the height at which the pots sit. I also run perpetual so I can relate to your challenges (I run a lot of different strains). My plant containers are being raised and lowered consistently and my light not so much.An earlier flowering plant for instance, can be elevated to make the canopy even with the others in the flowering area. I have and do supercrop in flower, specifically during the stretch and I have notice no visible difference or negative effects on the plant. Just be careful, they're a bit brittle during the stretch because the new growth is pretty "green". I try not to do it, but when necessary I do it. Control and manage your plant canopy simultaneously with your plants' container height and the results will be a better yield and a better product!



My light barely moves, only slight changes based on what the canopy is doing overall... Think of your canopy as pieces to a puzzle that create a blanket of buds. Keep it as even as possible and you will be a happy grower :D More info than you asked for and I apologize if this is all something you already know and do, but a lot of growers fail to do this and it causes excessive stretching and smaller yields.

Go Tigers 2012, go Wings, and GO LIONS!



Go take a piss! My ass is coming in HOT today at 5.2, will check again tomorrow lol

Really though, I read that urine can range from 4.5 - 8 depending on diet.

On it! I like your thoughts. I am a huge fan of supercropping in veg just wasnt sure if something major would be affected in flower. While i got ya I got some SD seeds that i veged for about 5 weeks and now flower for two weeks and still no visible signs of sex. sound normal? my other four that are in flower, but they were vegged like 7 weeks, showed me within 10 days. just wonderin. Thanks again
 

Shwagbag

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On it! I like your thoughts. I am a huge fan of supercropping in veg just wasnt sure if something major would be affected in flower. While i got ya I got some SD seeds that i veged for about 5 weeks and now flower for two weeks and still no visible signs of sex. sound normal? my other four that are in flower, but they were vegged like 7 weeks, showed me within 10 days. just wonderin. Thanks again
I wouldn't say its abnormal, its strain dependent but I would expect to see something very soon!
 
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