undertheice
Well-Known Member
might i suggest my room at the head-case ritz. it doesn't have much of a view and the furnishings are atrocious, but with those nice soft walls and floor who needs a couch.
Susan Estrich Blows The Rigged Election Wide Open
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MatanuskaThunderFuck
Active Member
Far as the stolen elections go, you guys who believe Bush won fairly are in denial.
Floridagate
[SIZE=-1]Bush-Cheney Campaign and the Florida GOP[/SIZE]
Floridagate
[SIZE=-1]Bush-Cheney Campaign and the Florida GOP[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Absentee ballot law (FL GOP)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Florida Republican Party sent a letter with Jeb's signature and the Florida state seal urging Florida Republicans to vote by absentee ballots. But Florida law (which was made even stricter in 199
is not a "vote-by-mail" system - voters must have a valid reason for voting by mail. The Republican Party was thus encouraging Republican voters to break the law. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Florida's absentee ballot laws were tightened because of the 1997 Miami absentee ballot scandal that resulted in the voiding of ALL absentees and the overturn of the election. The man who engineered that massive fraud - Mayoral candidate Xavier Suarez - played a key role in the GOP absentee effort in 2000.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Absentee Ballot Law, Voting Rights Act (FL GOP, Seminole County, Martin County) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]With the active assistance of GOP Election Supervisors, FL GOP officials sent GOP operatives to illegally alter over 2,500 defective Republican absentee ballot applications, while at least 550 Democratic applications were ignored.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Conspiracy to Interfere with the Lawful Count of the Votes (Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]When the TV networks called Florida for Gore, Bush campaign spokespeople (Rove, Matalin, etc.) went on TV to declare the results were wrong and would soon be changed. Was there already a plan to use state and local government powers to interfere with the lawful counting of votes?[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]FL Absentee Ballot Law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Pressured canvassing boards in Republican counties to violate Florida's election laws and count clearly illegal overseas Republican absentee ballots, while fighting to prevent Democratic counties from counting similar absentee ballots[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]14th Amendment, Voting Rights Act [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Forced hand counting of heavily Republican absentee ballots that the machines couldn't read - while delaying and blocking hand counting of poll-cast ballots in heavily Democratic counties that the machines couldn't read, thus treating ballots differently and discriminating against black voters[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=-1]GOP Stalling Tactics in Palm Beach[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Legal ethics [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Urged courts to block hand counts in Democratic counties in FL while urging courts to conduct hand counts in NM[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Interference with Administration of Elections; Assault (Rep. John Sweeney, Congressional staff, etc) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]On 11/21, organized a riot in Miami/Dade County that intimidated the canvassing board into stopping its hand count, and then assaulted Joe Geller, chair of the Dade County Democratic executive committee. This riot was paid for by the Bush recount committee.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Abuse of Congressional office for partisan politics; politicization of active-duty military (Rep. Steve Buyer, Rep. Tillie Fowler, Michael Higgins, Rob Carter) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]On 11/22, Rep. Buyer gave the Pentagon a list of active duty sailors whose ballots had been rejected as invalid, which was provided by Florida Republican operative Rob Carter. Buyer demanded their e-mail addresses immediately. Buyer's aide Michael Higgins then contacted the sailors and put them in touch with Carter, who enlisted these sailors in a propaganda campaign to attack Vice President Al Gore as anti-military, and to pressure county officials to count invalid ballots. Carter also supplied Rep. Tillie Fowler with stories from service members, which she used to denounce Gore at a rally.[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]FEC Disclosure [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to disclose how the $8 million the Bush campaign raised for its Florida recount effort [/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]IRS Disclosure [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to disclose the occupation and employer of thousands of recount donors [/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Absentee Ballot Law[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Letter sent by Florida Republican Party with Jeb's signature and the Florida state seal urged Florida Republicans to vote by absentee ballot, regardless of whether they had a valid legal reason for doing so.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Abuse of State Seal [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Letter sent by Florida Republican party with Jeb's signature and the Florida state seal urging Florida Republicans to vote by absentee ballots[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Abuse of Office for Partisan Purposes; Interference with Administration of Elections [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jeb and his staff made 95 phone calls made to Bush/Cheney Presidential campaign after Jeb said he'd recused himself; he visited the Bush/GOP headquarters in Tallahassee; he participated in at least 1 Bush strategy conference call; 6 of the 95 calls were on the day GOP thugs stopped the Miami-Dade recount[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Abuse of Office for Partisan Purposes [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Called special session of legislature to intimidate county officials and judges[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]14th Amendment (Florida Legislature) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]2001 Election Reform law perpetuates the election problems that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to be in violation of the 14th Amendment.[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Voting Rights Act Section 5 (Bucky Mitchell, Michael Cochran, Elaine Baxter)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Misrepresentation of the felons list statute, failure to provide available documents directly relevant to the pre-clearance review [/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Voting Rights Act Section 5 (Clay Roberts, Bucky Mitchell) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Knowing failure to obtain pre-clearance for significant changes in policies and procedures pursuant to the implementation of the felons list law which resulted in the removal of legal voters from the registration rolls in at least one of 5 pre-clearance counties in Florida[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Disenfranchisement of Legal Voters [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Knowingly purged felons from states where voting rights were automatically restored upon release, contrary to clear court rulings. Knowingly included non-felons in its purge through its "wide net" policy (accepting a 90% name-match in 1999, and an 80% match in 2000). [/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Ballot Design Law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Sent out a sample ballot design to county elections supervisors that split the 10 Presidential candidates on the ballots onto 2 pages[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Uniform Administration of Election Law: Assistance to Voters [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to oversee training of poll workers to ensure proper assistance to voters[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Americans with Disabilities Act (Jeb Bush, Counties) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to make voting machines fully accessible to the handicapped[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Mandatory Machine Recount Law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]20 counties never did the mandatory machine recount as required by state election law.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Overseas Absentee Ballot Law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Allowed illegal overseas absentee ballots to be counted and included in the certified total[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Uniform Administration of Election Law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Coordination (conspiracy) between Harris lawyers and Bush/GOP lawyers; Deliberate misinterpretation of the law for partisan purposes[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Uniform Administration of Elections: Hand Recount Law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Inconsistent application of hand count law: accepted manual recounts from some counties, but denied Palm Beach permission to conduct hand count[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Use of Government Office for Politics [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Allowed Republican operatives Andrew Goodman and J.M. Stipanovich to use her state computers and offices during the recount; Communications Director Donald Tighe admitted writing partisan speeches during the campaign. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]These political activities were found on Harris' computer. 1) On 1/29/00, a speech written for a Republican meeting that declared: "We are READY TO LEAD!" 2) On 3/14/00, a set of campaign talking points for George W. Bush. 3) On 11/14/00, an examination of the campaign finances of FL Supreme Court Justice Barbara Pariente - who was reviewing important election cases. 4) A list of contributors to Harris' 1998 Democratic opponent, Karen Gievers (undated). [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Harris claims Stipanovich and Goodman were "volunteers," but Goodman billed Harris $12,000 for his work, and Harris initially approved the bill (Palm Beach Post, 8/23/01) [/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Abuse of Discretion in Violation of Florida Supreme Court Order [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Florida Supreme Court ordered Harris to accept the Palm Beach recount until 9 a.m. on 11/27; she refused to accept them after 5 p.m. on 11/26[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Conflict of Interest; Use of Office for Political Gain [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]While overseeing the recount, Harris expressed interest in appointment as Ambassador under Bush[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Public Records [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Reinstalled Windows and erased files on state computers used by Republican operatives Andrew Goodman and J.M Stipanovich[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Voter Registration Law and Voting Rights Act[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to process thousands of voter registration forms before the election, including many from historically black colleges[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Absentee Ballot Law (Okaloosa) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Sent hundreds or thousands of absentee ballots to voters who did NOT request one[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Absentee Ballot Law (Bay) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Republicans turned in "handfuls" and in one case a suitcase-full of absentee ballots in defiance of a law that provides people may submit no more than two absentee ballots other than their own or that of a family member[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Ballot design law (Palm Beach) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Butterfly ballot[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Sample ballot law (Duval) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Sample ballot differed significantly from actual ballot - sample ballot listed 10 candidates on 1 page, while actual ballot spread candidates over 2 pages[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Voting Rights Act [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Substandard voting machinery in predominantly minority precincts that produced ballot spoilage up to 40%; Failure to provide voter assistance in Spanish (Osceola County) and Creole (Miami-Dade); reports of intimidation of minority voters[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Voting machine law (Punch Card) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to properly maintain machines, including misalignment and accumulation of chads[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Election Day law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Closed polling places without notice; Turned away voters who were on line at 7 pm when polls closed[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Voting machine law (Miami-Dade) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Use of malfunctioning voting machines[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Voting Machine Law (Optiscan) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to provide machine-readable pens[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Voting Machine Law (Palm Beach) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Misaligned ballots, as described by Rabbi Yellin; Use of malfunctioning voting machines in county elections office[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=-1]Miami Herald 8/28/01: Democratic State Representative Calls for Criminal Investigation of Teresa Lepore[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Negligence (Palm Beach) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Failure to respond to complaints about confusing ballot and voting mistakes[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Intent of the voter [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Nearly all counties failed to count machine-unreadable votes where the intent of the voter was clear. This includes "write-in overvotes" that must specifically be counted by law.[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=-1]Palm Beach Canvassing Board rejects dimpled ballots[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Mandatory machine recount law [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]20 counties never did the mandatory machine recount as required by state election law.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Racial Discrimination (Escambia) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Disabled optiscan technology that prevents errors on poll-cast votes, but "duplicated" (fixed) absentee votes with errors.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Different Treatment of Machine-Unreadable Ballots [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Various Republican counties hand-counted absentee ballots that could not be machine-read (thus favoring Republicans), but refused to hand-count poll-cast ballots that could not be machine-read (thus harming Democrats)[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Ballot tampering fraud (Escambia and other Northern counties) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Estimated 7,100 ballots were destroyed in 11 counties[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Ballot tampering; Open meetings law (Optiscan) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Secret duplication of 10,000 optiscan-unreadable absentee ballots in 26 heavily Republican counties in central and north Florida. These ballots favored George W. Bush by more than 2 to 1. [/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Fraud (Duval) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Republican elections supervisor John Stafford lied about the number of under and overvotes to the Gore campaign during the 72-hour window for requesting a recount, telling the Gore campaign there were only 2-300 votes disqualified, when there were actually 27,000.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Recount law (Miami-Dade) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Refusal to conduct hand count[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Absentee Ballot Law (Orange) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Refused to count stateside absentees postmarked before Election Day, while counting overseas absentees with no postmark or date[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Public Records Law (Palm Beach) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Destruction of computer records of 2000 Presidential vote[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Conflict of Interest[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Four members of the Supreme Court majority in Bush v. Gore had conflicts and should have recused themselves: O'Connor, Thomas, Scalia, and Rehnquist. In August 2001, three Justices recused themselves from the case of Napoleon Beazley, who was sentenced to death for the murder of the father of J. Michael Luttig, a well-connected federal appeals court judge.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]US Law on Emergency Injunctive Relief [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Granted emergency relief to George W. Bush to stop the manual 4. Count of 60,000 uncounted votes as ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, on the theory that counting all of the votes would cause "irreparable harm" to Bush. [/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]14th Amendment [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]In Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court declared the the 14th Amendment prohibited variations in vote counting by county officials, contrary to all precedents - and explicitly refused to set a precedent for future cases. In the same ruling, the Court accepted 2,490 overseas absentee ballots that were counted without any consistent standard and produced a net gain of 630 votes for Bush - greater than his 537-vote margin of victory.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Presidential Elections; Appointment of Electors (3 USC Chapter 1 Section 5) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]On December 12, 2000, the Supreme Court intentionally misrepresented the law as saying that Electors had to be chosen by December 12, when the true deadline was December 18.[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Corporate Contribution to Federal Campaign (FOX)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]George W. Bush spoke by phone with his cousin John Ellis at FOX News shortly before FOX incorrectly projected Bush as the winner at 2 a.m. on Election Night, which prompted Al Gore to temporarily concede and defined him as the presumptive loser.[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Corporate Contributions to Federal Campaign; Broadcast License Requirement to Serve the Public Interest (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The broadcast networks consistenly ignored Bush's flaws and inconsistencies, while scrutinizing Gore's flaws and inconsistencies[/SIZE]
[*][SIZE=-1]Corporate Contribution to Federal Campaign; Violation of Broadcast License (NBC/Jack Welch) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]On Election Night, GE CEO Jack Welch reportedly ordered the network to call Florida for Bush, even though the results were too close to call. [/SIZE]
- [SIZE=-1]Rep. Henry Waxman's Repeated Requests for Videotapes Promised by NBC News President Andrew Lack[/SIZE]
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[*][SIZE=-1]Failure to Investigate[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]DoJ has received THOUSANDS of complaints, but is investigating only 12. Complaints include serious allegations of fraud, such as pre-punched ballots in heavily African American and Democratic precincts in Miami/Dade and Broward Counties[/SIZE]
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
< quote>Far as the stolen elections go, you guys who believe Bush won fairly are in denial.
I did not say things were fair, neat, or tidy. There were dirty tricks everywhere. But, in the end, Bush won. To believe otherwise is insane. What really has changed in American politics? Nothing.
In several elections Joe Kennedy gave at least $100,000 to a young man named Tip O'Neil. Tip, who later became Speaker of the House, was instructed to go out and see each precinct captain and give him $5000. Those men made sure people came out to vote by spreading the money around. They would buy voters a lunch plate or slip a fin into a buddies' pocket for a vote.
Chicago has ALWAYS had the motto of vote early and vote often. Formally dead people fill the polls.
So are you going to say Kennedy was not really elected? Or tell me Obahma was not elected?
The elections are over. Grow up!
I did not say things were fair, neat, or tidy. There were dirty tricks everywhere. But, in the end, Bush won. To believe otherwise is insane. What really has changed in American politics? Nothing.
In several elections Joe Kennedy gave at least $100,000 to a young man named Tip O'Neil. Tip, who later became Speaker of the House, was instructed to go out and see each precinct captain and give him $5000. Those men made sure people came out to vote by spreading the money around. They would buy voters a lunch plate or slip a fin into a buddies' pocket for a vote.
Chicago has ALWAYS had the motto of vote early and vote often. Formally dead people fill the polls.
So are you going to say Kennedy was not really elected? Or tell me Obahma was not elected?
The elections are over. Grow up!
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Here's another excellent resource page documenting the election fraud that took place in 2004 ... of course the bushies are far too dumb to comprehend the fact or dispute them ...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.htmlThe 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote Frauds
Alex Pelosi's new film "Diary of a Political Tourist" catches a tipsy Congressman Peter King making a comment at a White House function before the election had been finished that, "It's already over. The Election's over. We Won." When Pelosi asks, "How do you know that?" King replies, "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.htmlThe 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote Frauds
Alex Pelosi's new film "Diary of a Political Tourist" catches a tipsy Congressman Peter King making a comment at a White House function before the election had been finished that, "It's already over. The Election's over. We Won." When Pelosi asks, "How do you know that?" King replies, "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
The point, dumb sloth, people always can claim an election was stolen. It will always be there, regardless of the winner.
If YOU are too stupid to read the facts then that's not my problem!
MatanuskaThunderFuck
Active Member
I wasnt debating the fact that Bush won the election in general, I debated the fact he won it fairly. When you take away thousands of democratic voters votes away you should be prosecuted. Joe Kennedy wasnt in position to rig votes, sure he had money but he couldnt scratch registered voters off falsley classifying them as felons.
Read the article I posted before posting next time.
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MatanuskaThunderFuck
Active Member
In response to Bush stealing the '00 Election you post facts about JFK, post facts on what you are disputing, at least be relevant.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Polly want a cracker?
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Hear the long silence? Polly is incapable of producing anything to dispute the fact that the 2000, 2004, and 2006 elections were stolen ... it's not a claim it's documented fact posted in this thread ... now watch ... all polly will be able to do is parrot ... no links ... no sources ... just parrot ... now watch ...
MatanuskaThunderFuck
Active Member
He cant deny Florida was stolen.
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
Ah, your point is pointless.
There were vote rigging issues in every election in my lifetime. Ole Joe rigged votes and the Chicago machine always puts in the fix. Which of course helped Barrack. The point that I made, is this "issue" is always in play. Always has been in play and will be in the future. bush is not somehow less or more legitimate than any other president. If you think anything else, you are delusional.
The real issue is why can't we insure better elections?
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
Crazy bitch want some Thorzine?Polly want a cracker?
smokedoper
Active Member
Actually the United States is not a Democracy. It's actually a Theocracy. A Democracy means that the citizens vote on everything. Which means that we would vote on every bill that is put in front of Congress. On the other hand, a Theocracy is where a majority of the people elect a few to vote on everything.
And that is what the United States really is. Sorry that I cut the rest of your post. But I wanted to respond to "the issue is whether or not we can call ourselves a democracy anymore".
And there are really only 6 states that you can really claim voter fraud in. Those are the six states that require their electoral college voters to vote only after the polls have closed in their states. That way they have to vote the way the people in those 6 states voted during the election.
If you want to make all citizens votes count in all states. Go to the Governors, State Senators, and State Representatives and have them pass a law that all electoral college voters have to vote the way the citizens of the states vote.
And if you say, "Lets do away with the electoral college.", then you will have to change several amendments to the constitution and also all of the Federal Election Laws and the other 44 states Election Laws. Which nobody in Congress would want to change anything in the Constitution. You should watch both C-SPAN & C-SPAN2 when they have the Constitutional Committee on. They have been trying to change the 2nd Amendment for about 10 years now. And all the people wanting it change has spent almost a billion dollars or more. Not counting the money that the government has spent hearing this issue.
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
We are not a Theocracy. We are a republic.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
(from Wikipedia)
Theocracy is a form of government in which a 'god' or 'deity' is recognized as the supreme civil ruler. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.[1] Theocratic governments enact theonomic laws.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
(from Wikipedia)
Theocracy is a form of government in which a 'god' or 'deity' is recognized as the supreme civil ruler. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.[1] Theocratic governments enact theonomic laws.
smokedoper
Active Member
You haven't paid attention to who is president have you. Bush has convinced himself in that 3 year old mind that he is that deity. Look at all the rules and laws he's made up during his 8 years in office. Remember what he always says "I pray to god about every decision that I make." With the gas prices, the credit crisis, the waterboarding, and all other human rights violations that Bush and friends have done. Do you doubt that he thinks himself deity or a god?
What I think is some theoretical physicist needs to come up with a way to time travel back to the 1800's and snap granddad Bush's neck. Would it actually be a crime if you were from the future, went to the past and did the deed, then come back to the future again. Would the current legal system be able to charge you with a crime?
VTXDave
Well-Known Member
Every act of legislation had to be approved by Congress. We do not live in a Theocracy. We are a Republic and Congress makes the laws, The POTUS does not. The POTUS simply puts his "Stamp of Approval" on the legislation that was passed by Congress. The Iraq Resolution, FISA, Patriot...all passed by Congress.
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
Toke up another one, genius. Because right now, you sound like you have smoked yourself stupid. The USA is a republic. Period.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
What did I tell ya ... can't dispute the facts ... when he does that I give him a cracker ... I'm sure it's what his handlers would want
... 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 were stolen on a broad scale ... compared to Chicago in 59 ... that's all he can talk about ... no one denies election fraud has taken place in the past, but nothing like this ... no where close ... he can't come the the realization that it's bigger than he believes ... I don't know what that is ... yet ... you do ... how long have you been taking it? ... Is that why you're so politically stupid? Is that why you can never back your bullshit with sources? Is that why you can't dispute the FACTS I've posted in this forum.
Election fraud has NEVER happen at the levels that is taking place now ... NEVER ... not where they can steal several states ...
... we have to expose the election fraud in order to ensure better elections ... that's the issue ... get rid of the crackable proprietary software that counts our votes in secret ... get rid of voter suppression ... get rid of corporate involvement ... that's the issue that would ensure better elections ...
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
... a republic ... yes ... but also a dying one ... turning into a fascist state ... the congress is suppose to uphold the constitution yet they don't ... that's why they passed all the legislation you mention ... congress purpose was to make laws to aid the people ... now they make laws to protect war criminals and dismiss war crimes not to mention the rest of their criminal behavior ... long live the republic?
