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natro.hydro
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Geez scar whats the finishing time on that like 14weeks? Have heard that long for some of Nev's other hazes, sounds legit as hell
PSUAGRO.
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I'm a little drunk but I thought neville previously owned sensi seeds or seed bank back in the day and used the 2x5 from the us??? pure nl 5 is not availlable anywhere and sensi is the best source??idk but i want a link to PURE nl5 if you have it!!!
tags420
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I have never even seen any NL in person...it is just on my list because of the history. The next beans I will pop are definitely going to be one of my own jilly crosses. Either (kandy kush x jilly) or (GSCx jilly). I have grown one of each in outside over the spring and they(both females) were awesome. (KK x jilly) was better and my probable choice. But when I pick, I will pop as many as I have to really find something great.
On a real breeder note, this is what I think is going on...
Nev is the true breeder of the NL line. Sensi was the company he worked with, but Nev is the man with the plan. Just like shantibaba was greenhouse and now he is Mr Nice. And how DJ shorts blueberry has gone with him from company to company.
A great breader never looses their gentics...even if they loose the name legally...the real white widow is really mr nice's black widow.
Hey scar, is Nev on his own now...what's the story?
On a real breeder note, this is what I think is going on...
Nev is the true breeder of the NL line. Sensi was the company he worked with, but Nev is the man with the plan. Just like shantibaba was greenhouse and now he is Mr Nice. And how DJ shorts blueberry has gone with him from company to company.
A great breader never looses their gentics...even if they loose the name legally...the real white widow is really mr nice's black widow.
Hey scar, is Nev on his own now...what's the story?
SCARHOLE
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Yes Nevil is on his own, hope he gets to Spain an opens a shop again.His partner kangativa from ICMag got busted recently so it may go slowly......
My friend mr Rimmeo helps him, he's a keeper of old things for nev and known him since the 80s.
And I help my friend Rimmeo, I've known him befor Nevil started up again.
Rimmeo told me Nevil was leavin MNS few yrs ago.
And it went down just as he said.
Not to mention him an Nevils conversations an posts @ MNS forum.
Mr Rimmeo helps him, he's a keeper of old thing for nev.
Sensi bought Nevs the seed in 91 and its stock when he was busted.
Nevil said they destroyed the pure NL5 that one the cup that yr. wTf?
And sensi/Donkers bros forum say they only used 5x2 in there NL.
Shanti bob didnt make WW.
Arijan was correct it was Ingmars.
Seems Arijan was right about Scott.
I make s1 from single seeds an share them For preservation.
The 89 nl5xHc f1 (won a cup that yr also), 12-14 weeks Finnish.
Along with Nev haze 21 x Mullimbimby Madness long. (Nevils grail) 16-20 weeker. Got one in the cab now....
1990 superskunk, shes not RKS but not far from it....
Don't listen to folks selling NL5 pure y'all.
bCSc, dr atomic an bhodi Nl5 are a joke
I did get Mevanetics Por 91 /nl5, for Rimmeo. he said it had real nl5 in her, but mr rimmeo suspected a skunk cross after growing it.
But her story was dead on an gives it pedagree IMHO.
My friend mr Rimmeo helps him, he's a keeper of old things for nev and known him since the 80s.
And I help my friend Rimmeo, I've known him befor Nevil started up again.
Rimmeo told me Nevil was leavin MNS few yrs ago.
And it went down just as he said.
Not to mention him an Nevils conversations an posts @ MNS forum.
Mr Rimmeo helps him, he's a keeper of old thing for nev.
Sensi bought Nevs the seed in 91 and its stock when he was busted.
Nevil said they destroyed the pure NL5 that one the cup that yr. wTf?
And sensi/Donkers bros forum say they only used 5x2 in there NL.
Shanti bob didnt make WW.
Arijan was correct it was Ingmars.
Seems Arijan was right about Scott.
I make s1 from single seeds an share them For preservation.
The 89 nl5xHc f1 (won a cup that yr also), 12-14 weeks Finnish.
Along with Nev haze 21 x Mullimbimby Madness long. (Nevils grail) 16-20 weeker. Got one in the cab now....
1990 superskunk, shes not RKS but not far from it....
Don't listen to folks selling NL5 pure y'all.
bCSc, dr atomic an bhodi Nl5 are a joke
I did get Mevanetics Por 91 /nl5, for Rimmeo. he said it had real nl5 in her, but mr rimmeo suspected a skunk cross after growing it.
But her story was dead on an gives it pedagree IMHO.
PSUAGRO.
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^^^^ wow thanks for the info Scar, love these stories bro!! .......How's Kite doing? have you heard anything?
So shanti didn't breed the original WW aka BW? didn't know that .........maybe Arijan is just being a dick in saying that
ha
what about this "Ortega" strain that supposedly has nl#5 crossed(nl1 x nl5?)??? ...bullshit??
yeah I remember reading somewhere that they wanted to "retire" the original NL#5 from competitions to give other strains a chance of winning...........man this afghani bitch has some history!!
I paid $80!! for five sensi NL bitches(white label) and would love to find a better/cheaper
source.
sorry for the thread highjack tags.............
So shanti didn't breed the original WW aka BW? didn't know that .........maybe Arijan is just being a dick in saying that
hawhat about this "Ortega" strain that supposedly has nl#5 crossed(nl1 x nl5?)??? ...bullshit??
yeah I remember reading somewhere that they wanted to "retire" the original NL#5 from competitions to give other strains a chance of winning...........man this afghani bitch has some history!!
I paid $80!! for five sensi NL bitches(white label) and would love to find a better/cheaper
source.sorry for the thread highjack tags.............
tags420
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That is a great connection. I would be super down to get a pure NL.
DO you mind telling the story of NL...sounds like your will b the most legit I've heard.
Your not highjacking anything...this is the kind of shit I love to talk about. My grows are done till I get a new place so more than welcome to bring up some new topics.^^^^ wow thanks for the info Scar, love these stories bro!! .......How's Kite doing? have you heard anything?
So shanti didn't breed the original WW aka BW? didn't know that .........maybe Arijan is just being a dick in saying that
what about this "Ortega" strain that supposedly has nl#5 crossed(nl1 x nl5?)??? ...bullshit??
yeah I remember reading somewhere that they wanted to "retire" the original NL#5 from competitions to give other strains a chance of winning...........man this afghani bitch has some history!!
I paid $80!! for five sensi NL bitches(white label) and would love to find a better/cheaper
sorry for the thread highjack tags.............
Scar is right about Ingmar being the real breeder of WW. But Shanitbaba was the original owner of greenhouse when it was considered the best. He(shantibaba/GH) worked with Ingmar to produce the original White widow stock that was so great. Shantibaba still holds the original parents of WW and that is what I was talking about. And I would imagine Ingmar does too. Shanti was a actually(degree) breeder and made/worked on much more than just WW.
All these guys were before my time, so I don't have the solid knowledge on exactly what was happening back then. I have been growing since 04, doing it on my own since 08. I have learned a lot in my years...but many of the biggest milestones in pot history I wasn't in the game for. My dad and other people I know share their personal stories, plus what I weave through online, but nothing is the same as being there.
PSUAGRO.
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Tags this is the "best" history of NL that I know of and STOLEN from seedsman , now lets hope Scar comes through with a hookup
No other indica plant besides the legendary G-13 has accumulated such widespread recognition and fame as the Northern Lights Afghani. The original Northern Lights plants were pure indicas but later hybrids were released with a bit of Thai Sativa in their pedigree. This probably accounts for the fruity taste and great, almost psychedelic, high that this plant is known for today. Although most of the subsequent plants were bred towards an indica expression, there are still sativa phenotypes popping up now and then as a reminder of the genetic history of the plant.
Making its way from the Pacific North West to the Netherlands in 1985, the Northern Lights arrived in the possession of Neville Schoenmaker. Neville was the owner of Holland's first cannabis Seed Company known as The Seed Bank, which later was renamed Sensi Seeds under new ownership. According to the most credible source; Northern Lights was originally bred by a man known as “The Indian” on an Island near Seattle Washington in the United States. Some also claim that the plant originated in California before ending up in the hand of this mysterious man from Seattle but there is no conclusive evidence to support this. Apparently there were a total of eleven plants that were labeled Northern Lights #1 through Northern Lights #11. Northern Lights #5 was said to have been the best of the bunch, with Northern Lights #1 coming in at a close second. The original Northern Lights plants were described to be true breeding Afghanis with extreme indica characteristics. They were dark green in color and very stable, with a high flower to leaf ratio while sporting a piney taste and purple hues in flowering. They were also known to be highly resinous with a THC percentage over 15%, sometimes higher.
The story goes that all the various Northern Lights plants that were given to Neville Schoenmaker at the Seed Bank were female clones. Soon after, many new plants showed up on the Seed Bank list, including several different Northern Lights strains. This is where the history begins to get a bit hazy. How exactly these new seeds came to be is unclear but apparently Neville Schoenmaker used the plants that he got from the Indian to create new hybrids by further crossing them to some males of Afghani origin. He might have acquired them from the same source as the females but the Northern Lights males were never labeled, so their history remains unclear. The best guess is that Neville Schoenmaker created the new seeds by further hybridizing and inbreeding the plants that he acquired from the Indian to his old stock. Northern Lights #1 was described as a true breeding Afghani IBL (inbred line), suggesting that it contained none of the Thai Sativa that was later incorporated into some of the Northern Lights strains. At what point the Thai Sativa was infused into the genetic lineage is however unclear. Most likely it was bred into the Northern Lights #2 hybrid at some point. Regardless of their origin or genetic makeup, two particular males labeled Northern Lights #1 and Northern Lights #2 are clearly mentioned as the fathers of many new plants in a Seed Bank catalogue from the 1980’s. Northern Lights #2, a wonderfully potent Northern Lights #1-Hindu Kush hybrid, is still offered by Dutch Passion under the name Oasis. There is also some Northern Lights #2 in Aurora B from The Flying Dutchmen.
The two Northern Lights males fathered several potent and exotic hybrids that included the notoriously potent G-13 female as well as Big Bud, Skunk #1, Hash Plant, Haze and Swazi, among others. One of the more noteworthy unions from this time was the Northern Lights #5 x Northern Lights #2 hybrid, which now no longer exists. The only strains from this collection that are still available at Sensi Seeds today are Hash Plant, which is made up of one quarter Northern Lights #1, as well as G-13 x Hash Plant,Black Domina and Big Bud with a slightly smaller portion of the same Northern Lights genes. Four-Way is also one quarter Northern Lights although it does contain some Cannabis Ruderalis, so it might not be the best choice for everyone. It might however appeal to the outdoor grower looking for auto-flowering or fast flowering varieties. Theoriginal Lowryder was also partly made up of Northern Lights #2 for those interested in the history of auto-flowering outdoor cannabis strains.
The genetic lineage of the various Northern Lights plants quickly becomes confusing since the entire line is diverse but also closely related and inbred. However, the Northern Lights #5 clone, which was considered the most superior plant of the bunch, was apparently never sold in seed form and must therefore have been the only unaltered version of the original plants. The pure Northern Lights #5 Afghani indica was used to create several outstanding and potent hybrids in combination with many of the strains that The Seed Bank had to offer at the time. Although many of these Cannabis Cup winners are now extinct, some are still available in seed form today at Sensi Seeds. These plants are also the closest relatives to the glorious Northern Lights #5 mother that Sensi Seeds has to offer. Most notable of these strains are the Northern Lights #5 x Haze, Northern Lights #5 x Skunk #1 or Shiva Skunk, Silver Pearl and last but not least; Jack Herer, the main ingredient in the now legendary Cinderella99. The glorious Jack Herer is a superior plant that forms a union between the three most important building blocks of modern cannabis strains; Northern Lights, Skunk and Haze.
Some of the strains mentioned above were also sold under the flag of the Super Sativa Seeds Company carrying different names. Some might remember the M39, which was made up of a strain called Basic 5 and Skunk #1. The Basic 5 was apparently Northern Lights #5, which means that this hybrid was similar to the Shiva Skunk offered at the Seed Bank, now known as Sensi Seeds. The Brothers Grimm also offered their version of the Aurora Borealis but it has since disappeared from the market.
The current, unnumbered version of the Northern Lights that Sensi Seeds offers today is according to their description a mix of the three pure variants of Northern Lights that were at their disposal in the past. Since the plant is a result of years of selection and back-breeding, it is difficult to say what the exact lineage is but an educated guess would be that they perhaps combined their Northern Lights #1 male to either the original Northern Lights #5 mother or the Northern Lights #5 x Northern Lights #2 hybrid in order to create this current version.
There are a few other breeders that offer high quality Northern Lights plants and hybrids. One of the most highly regarded versions of modern Northern Lights #5 comes from the British Columbia Seed Company. Their plant possibly derives from the original Northern Lights #5 x Northern Lights #2 hybrid created at the Seed Bank by Neville himself. Dr. Atomic, Joey Weed, Reeferman as well as many others also offer select versions of Northern Lights, some more highly regarded than others. The Sweet Pink Grapefruit that Breeder Steve used to create his Sweet Tooth seed line is also allegedly an old school Northern Lights #1 cutting from British Colombia. Federation Seeds Mikado is also thought to be a reworked version of the Spice of Life Sweet Pink Grapefruit. The Sagarmatha Seed Bank in turn offers a plant that they call Northern Lights #9, which is made up of Northern Lights #5, White Widow and Durban. Slyder from Sagarmatha contains the same Northern Lights #5 and can be considered a forerunner to the Northern Lights #9.
Some of the strains from Serious Seeds also contain some old school Northern Lights, mainly Chronic, which is made up of 50% Northern Lights with a touch of Skunk #1 and the notorious "one-hit-wonder" AK-47. The origin of the Northern Lights used in both the Serious Seeds and Sagarmatha hybrids can be traced back to the original plants, since the owners of both seeds companies apparently worked at Sensi Seeds at one point of their careers and thereby obtained their plants directly from the source. Likewise, some of the strains from The Mr Nice Seedbank contain pure, authentic old school Northern Lights #5 genes, including their Super Silver Haze. Apparently Neville and Shantibaba are also reviving the original Northern Lights #5 from a Haze hybrid from old stock. It might resurface in the near future. Exile from Magus Genetics is also made up of one quarter Northern Lights with some White Widow thrown into the mix but the strain is still highly propelled by the potent and always popular Warlock Super Skunk. Double Dutch from the same company is an early version of Chronic from Serious Seeds coupled up with the same potent father, making it a true Northern Lights hybrid. Both plants have accumulated several awards and are of uttermost high quality.
There is also some mentioning of a private Northern Lights cutting that is said to be the real thing. It is known as P91, which stand for Poway Class of '91. This version of the plant, which originates from Poway San Diego, is supposedly an inbred or cubed version of Northern Lights #5 but this was impossible to confirm. It is considered to be one of the few, true and pure Northern Lights plants left in the world.
The strains containing Northern Lights are simply too many to mention. Northern Lights has over the years become a very important line in modern cannabis genetics. Today, most seed companies offer their version of Northern Lights. Some of the plants are more closely related to the original plants than others, and descriptions by breeders are often lacking in detail. One thing is for certain and that is that there is more than one version of Northern Lights in circulation, ranging from indica to sativa in expression.
No other indica plant besides the legendary G-13 has accumulated such widespread recognition and fame as the Northern Lights Afghani. The original Northern Lights plants were pure indicas but later hybrids were released with a bit of Thai Sativa in their pedigree. This probably accounts for the fruity taste and great, almost psychedelic, high that this plant is known for today. Although most of the subsequent plants were bred towards an indica expression, there are still sativa phenotypes popping up now and then as a reminder of the genetic history of the plant.
Making its way from the Pacific North West to the Netherlands in 1985, the Northern Lights arrived in the possession of Neville Schoenmaker. Neville was the owner of Holland's first cannabis Seed Company known as The Seed Bank, which later was renamed Sensi Seeds under new ownership. According to the most credible source; Northern Lights was originally bred by a man known as “The Indian” on an Island near Seattle Washington in the United States. Some also claim that the plant originated in California before ending up in the hand of this mysterious man from Seattle but there is no conclusive evidence to support this. Apparently there were a total of eleven plants that were labeled Northern Lights #1 through Northern Lights #11. Northern Lights #5 was said to have been the best of the bunch, with Northern Lights #1 coming in at a close second. The original Northern Lights plants were described to be true breeding Afghanis with extreme indica characteristics. They were dark green in color and very stable, with a high flower to leaf ratio while sporting a piney taste and purple hues in flowering. They were also known to be highly resinous with a THC percentage over 15%, sometimes higher.
Some of the strains mentioned above were also sold under the flag of the Super Sativa Seeds Company carrying different names. Some might remember the M39, which was made up of a strain called Basic 5 and Skunk #1. The Basic 5 was apparently Northern Lights #5, which means that this hybrid was similar to the Shiva Skunk offered at the Seed Bank, now known as Sensi Seeds. The Brothers Grimm also offered their version of the Aurora Borealis but it has since disappeared from the market.
The current, unnumbered version of the Northern Lights that Sensi Seeds offers today is according to their description a mix of the three pure variants of Northern Lights that were at their disposal in the past. Since the plant is a result of years of selection and back-breeding, it is difficult to say what the exact lineage is but an educated guess would be that they perhaps combined their Northern Lights #1 male to either the original Northern Lights #5 mother or the Northern Lights #5 x Northern Lights #2 hybrid in order to create this current version.
There are a few other breeders that offer high quality Northern Lights plants and hybrids. One of the most highly regarded versions of modern Northern Lights #5 comes from the British Columbia Seed Company. Their plant possibly derives from the original Northern Lights #5 x Northern Lights #2 hybrid created at the Seed Bank by Neville himself. Dr. Atomic, Joey Weed, Reeferman as well as many others also offer select versions of Northern Lights, some more highly regarded than others. The Sweet Pink Grapefruit that Breeder Steve used to create his Sweet Tooth seed line is also allegedly an old school Northern Lights #1 cutting from British Colombia. Federation Seeds Mikado is also thought to be a reworked version of the Spice of Life Sweet Pink Grapefruit. The Sagarmatha Seed Bank in turn offers a plant that they call Northern Lights #9, which is made up of Northern Lights #5, White Widow and Durban. Slyder from Sagarmatha contains the same Northern Lights #5 and can be considered a forerunner to the Northern Lights #9.
Some of the strains from Serious Seeds also contain some old school Northern Lights, mainly Chronic, which is made up of 50% Northern Lights with a touch of Skunk #1 and the notorious "one-hit-wonder" AK-47. The origin of the Northern Lights used in both the Serious Seeds and Sagarmatha hybrids can be traced back to the original plants, since the owners of both seeds companies apparently worked at Sensi Seeds at one point of their careers and thereby obtained their plants directly from the source. Likewise, some of the strains from The Mr Nice Seedbank contain pure, authentic old school Northern Lights #5 genes, including their Super Silver Haze. Apparently Neville and Shantibaba are also reviving the original Northern Lights #5 from a Haze hybrid from old stock. It might resurface in the near future. Exile from Magus Genetics is also made up of one quarter Northern Lights with some White Widow thrown into the mix but the strain is still highly propelled by the potent and always popular Warlock Super Skunk. Double Dutch from the same company is an early version of Chronic from Serious Seeds coupled up with the same potent father, making it a true Northern Lights hybrid. Both plants have accumulated several awards and are of uttermost high quality.
There is also some mentioning of a private Northern Lights cutting that is said to be the real thing. It is known as P91, which stand for Poway Class of '91. This version of the plant, which originates from Poway San Diego, is supposedly an inbred or cubed version of Northern Lights #5 but this was impossible to confirm. It is considered to be one of the few, true and pure Northern Lights plants left in the world.
The strains containing Northern Lights are simply too many to mention. Northern Lights has over the years become a very important line in modern cannabis genetics. Today, most seed companies offer their version of Northern Lights. Some of the plants are more closely related to the original plants than others, and descriptions by breeders are often lacking in detail. One thing is for certain and that is that there is more than one version of Northern Lights in circulation, ranging from indica to sativa in expression.
natro.hydro
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Im with tags, always down to here the beginnings of one of the cornerstones of modern marijuana genetics, especially sincr most were created before i picked up my first j lol. Makes for a more interesting read than most other history... plus as psu pointed out there is a lot of speculation, mud slinging, and just general disinformation out there about most of the og strains from breeder to breeder.
tags420
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The first weed I ever bought was AK47...a 10 sack. I will never forget the smell. Like a real skunk spraying me in the face. I have never smelled anything like it. I tried sensi's skunk#1 to get a real skunk smell but all I got was cheese(most would want it). I won't try AK47 because it's not the same everyone says...but it probably wasn't the original anyway that I fell in love with but I still don't want to ruin my memory of it.
Speaking of old school...I have some original kali mist beans waiting to be popped soon too.
Speaking of old school...I have some original kali mist beans waiting to be popped soon too.
tags420
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Guy used to claim to have club buds, and that is how they always knew names. But soon all the kids claiming to have club bud, wanted my homegrown. I have only boughten weed a few time in my life to be honest. Once Smoking was out in the open(dad found my first sack, probably trying to pinch it) my dad didn't have to hide much and I learned everything in the legit/legal way. I have been growing for 98% of my smoking time. I never have to question what I am smoking...all me baby. I was lucky to have a pro cannabis dad to teach me the ways of the plant and how to use it and not abuse. Though I will try to keep my kids not smoking for as long as possible...they will eventually get into it and I will show them the proper ways(IMO) to go about it. Hell, it will probably be fully legal well before I even have kids so they will really get to start from even better place than I did(and I had it good).
SCARHOLE
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I dont know why Shanti bob called 2 afgani/NL crossed "ortega"
I asked an got no answers.
But it was bassed on Nevils NL.
Indian Jim was the first with NL, Classic seeds NL is from this line as well as Gregs. Classics seems legit
Nevs came from seattle greg @ the indoor sunsine shop i hear.
Greg said there was no Thai in NL5, it was hawiian,
Nevs Nl5 was a cutting, but it was BXed to make it M/F.
Other than that Jessies Histroy of NL is dam good.
If you regulars want to talk to Rimmeo, pM me, Ill point ya in the right direction.
My fist weed smoked an grown was Mexi \ first kind was Skunk.
It changed my life....
I asked an got no answers.
But it was bassed on Nevils NL.
Indian Jim was the first with NL, Classic seeds NL is from this line as well as Gregs. Classics seems legit
Nevs came from seattle greg @ the indoor sunsine shop i hear.
Greg said there was no Thai in NL5, it was hawiian,
Nevs Nl5 was a cutting, but it was BXed to make it M/F.
Other than that Jessies Histroy of NL is dam good.
If you regulars want to talk to Rimmeo, pM me, Ill point ya in the right direction.
My fist weed smoked an grown was Mexi \ first kind was Skunk.
It changed my life....
natro.hydro
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Well since we are getting reminiscent and shiiit, first hit ever was a res rip my brother let me take off his pipe (couldnt even spare a bud for his lil bro 
), first bag with no seeds I got a hold of was some blueberry, and there was no denying it was blueberry with the scent that shit was throwing, still one of my fav flavors in mj, coffee is a close second (do not even drink the shit, so wtf?), really I guess its almost a 3 way tie since cheese is right up there too.
Maybe shanti just really wanted some tacos lmao
), first bag with no seeds I got a hold of was some blueberry, and there was no denying it was blueberry with the scent that shit was throwing, still one of my fav flavors in mj, coffee is a close second (do not even drink the shit, so wtf?), really I guess its almost a 3 way tie since cheese is right up there too.Maybe shanti just really wanted some tacos lmao
PSUAGRO.
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Very sad indeed..........was a wealth of knowledge on strains/techniques he actually had experience with. Man I hope he ain't suffering. Really sucks to hear scar.......
My first was brick-Mex /first"kind"lol sounds so odd now was "dog shit"aka skunk.
so what's your recommendation until Nev.gets its on the market as the best source of nl#5//2 seeds ATM?
Edit........I'll pm you