peoples
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Can`t wait, can`t wait, can`t wait!!
It would fit perfectly in my 1m2 tent!
My aquaponic weed will be drawn in to a new dimension.
Great update as usual Tagsy!
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It would fit perfectly in my 1m2 tent!
My aquaponic weed will be drawn in to a new dimension.
Great update as usual Tagsy!
peoples
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When people be hatin´ on LED´s:
http://growersguidetocannabis.com/drumroll-please-the-fero-led-vs-hps-2012-grow-down-is-over/
[video=youtube;_bIbGxFMZGo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIbGxFMZGo[/video]
http://growersguidetocannabis.com/drumroll-please-the-fero-led-vs-hps-2012-grow-down-is-over/
[video=youtube;_bIbGxFMZGo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIbGxFMZGo[/video]
turnip brain
Active Member
Thanks for running these side by side! We really need more controlled grows like this! 
Big rep!
Big rep!
tags420
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Thanks man, but it's not a side by side comparison. Read this vvvThanks for running these side by side! We really need more controlled grows like this!
And the Indagro will be the only light in the little room for flowering after rethinking the original setup. It is just a 4x4 tray in there now.
Beefbisquit
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[video=youtube_share;Ajzpd-ONOdo]http://youtu.be/Ajzpd-ONOdo[/video]
That about sums it up, my man...
tags420
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The indagro room didn't get flipped till 2 days ago. So they got quite a bit of veg time. 5weeks+. Not a bad thing except now we might have to add 1-2 AT's to the end. They take up a little more space not. They grew about 6" in the last 4 days of veg.
Here they are...pontoons in action
You can see I need to get a little more light in there now that they are so big. It will be like 80%IG and 20%AT.
Here they are...pontoons in action
You can see I need to get a little more light in there now that they are so big. It will be like 80%IG and 20%AT.
tags420
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Alright everyone, it's Weed Wednesday... update time
[video=youtube;m7Ky186yO4w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Ky186yO4w&feature=youtu.be[/video]
The indagro room is flipped on it's way. Once the stretch starts it should really fill in, and possible be pretty damn tall.
The AOS are fried as hell but might pull through...I honestly am not sure, but have hope. While the jilly's are doing pretty well. Super frost and just a little over nute damage.
The hps are just moving along nicely. Day 49 of a projected 63.
Jilly under the Apache's
more jilly
Big lemons starting to fade out
The one ok AOS
[video=youtube;m7Ky186yO4w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Ky186yO4w&feature=youtu.be[/video]
The indagro room is flipped on it's way. Once the stretch starts it should really fill in, and possible be pretty damn tall.
The AOS are fried as hell but might pull through...I honestly am not sure, but have hope. While the jilly's are doing pretty well. Super frost and just a little over nute damage.
The hps are just moving along nicely. Day 49 of a projected 63.
Jilly under the Apache's
more jilly
Big lemons starting to fade out
The one ok AOS
puffenuff
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Damn those big lemons are looking awesome and man the jillys are ffffffrosty! Too bad about the burned AOS...so you're thinking it was the moab? How much did you feed them it the first week and i think it should have just been one dose...and did you cut back on the other nutes or flush the soil before giving it? not sure how it works in super soil. The indagro kicked ass in veg but I think you are right about either needing a mover or a couple apaches to help, but how would that work with the pontoon coming on?
tags420
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Thanks puff. What's doing good is really good and what's doing bad is pretty ugly.
I only feed anything once and it was half strength GH bloom and 3/4 moab(3/4tsp/5gallons). I am honestly not 100% what it is from, but moab is the only new thing this time around so I think so. Also I just didn't realize how hot the soil is when fresh. The bbs and the lemons had some veg time in it to takes some power out before flower I guess.
Greengenes still wants to run just the IG cause it is supposed to be good for 5x5. But we all know that pretty much every coverage statement is exaggerated. So if/when AT's get put up, the pontoon will still be in effect...just not that intense over the AT's. But since it is on 12/12 I can't imaging the IR after lights off making that much of a difference.
I only feed anything once and it was half strength GH bloom and 3/4 moab(3/4tsp/5gallons). I am honestly not 100% what it is from, but moab is the only new thing this time around so I think so. Also I just didn't realize how hot the soil is when fresh. The bbs and the lemons had some veg time in it to takes some power out before flower I guess.
Greengenes still wants to run just the IG cause it is supposed to be good for 5x5. But we all know that pretty much every coverage statement is exaggerated. So if/when AT's get put up, the pontoon will still be in effect...just not that intense over the AT's. But since it is on 12/12 I can't imaging the IR after lights off making that much of a difference.
chazbolin
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Hey Tags! Thanks for the update bro. Couple of thoughts come to mind I thought I'd share. I'm interested in getting optimum results with the fewest watts expended which is why I was drawn to LED and Induction over HID in the first place. To that end I'm currently running a journal on a single 420/Pontoon covering a 5 x 5 over on the inda-gro thread. I'm only at day 16 but the outside edges are still developing nicely. Would I add another light if I could? I don't think I would but I will be conducting further testing on a 5 x 5 area to see if it makes sense. If I get through this grow with a single light in the g/w range I'll be satisfied. Could I double it with a second light in the same conditions? Don't know. That's what I'll try and determine on the next run. But for the average grower working a small garden who may not want to throw more light at it, dump another $1,500 on a 420/Pontoon combo or deal with the increased load/heat I'm inclined to believe you keep the canopy even and make due with the single light in a 5 x 5 area. But than again if by adding the second light in this same area doubles my yield than I would not hesitate to do so or recommend it to others.
On the other hand if I have a 6 x 6 area would the second light make sense? I think there is no question that it would. Here is where you can see that the 5 x 5 area coverage is not a hard and fast footprint because with two lights spaced ~36" on center in a 6 x 6 area you start getting distribution where each light is cutting into the others footprint and giving the plants multiple source points of light. This is only going to improve canopy penetration and increase intensities over a larger area of the canopy that is directly beneath the lights. It is at this point I start to see the benefits of increased plant counts such as 10-12 five gal buckets that I would not be attempting in a 5 x 5 area.
I heard where you're talking about moving the light:canopy spacing at 12". I would not recommend this spacing as it will cut down on outside area coverage and the intensity of the diodes will likely cause some bleaching of the leaves. I'd keep a close eye on the health of your fan leaves and keep the canopy moving while maintaining a minimum 18" separation.
I feel your pain on the AOS. What's the chances you'd pull one or two of the worst case AOS's out of the AT side and stick it under the IG side to see how it responds? If anything the deck is stacked against the IG side if you were to do this. Subjecting those plants to different spectrum's and intensities may stress that plant(s) out even more. But at this point what can it hurt and I think it would be an interesting learning experience to see comparative reaction and recovery responses. Whadya think?
On the other hand if I have a 6 x 6 area would the second light make sense? I think there is no question that it would. Here is where you can see that the 5 x 5 area coverage is not a hard and fast footprint because with two lights spaced ~36" on center in a 6 x 6 area you start getting distribution where each light is cutting into the others footprint and giving the plants multiple source points of light. This is only going to improve canopy penetration and increase intensities over a larger area of the canopy that is directly beneath the lights. It is at this point I start to see the benefits of increased plant counts such as 10-12 five gal buckets that I would not be attempting in a 5 x 5 area.
I would not be so quick to discard the benefits of this feature. The 730nm diodes are a Far Red not an Infra Red and that is an important distinction. It is a well established phenomena the 730's at lights out will initiate Pfr within minutes. If you decide to maintain a 12/12 at flower you are not taking full potential of the Pontoon in that it does mimic sunset and will allow you to run an extended indoor flowering photoperiod. Here's another way to look at this feature. If we're to equate optimal plant flowering photoperiods to human sleep patterns in that instead of working and being constructive you are sleeping 12 hours a night instead of getting a more productive 8-10 hours of quality sleep humans become lethargic and less productive. The same can be said for our plants flowering production when they are exposed to too much of a dark cycle. It is precisely because the Pontoons run the Far Red 730 diodes at lights out that we can let flowering plants be photosynthetically active for that extra hour or two still get the a rest period that increases flowering production. Why would you not want to take advantage of that?
I heard where you're talking about moving the light:canopy spacing at 12". I would not recommend this spacing as it will cut down on outside area coverage and the intensity of the diodes will likely cause some bleaching of the leaves. I'd keep a close eye on the health of your fan leaves and keep the canopy moving while maintaining a minimum 18" separation.
I feel your pain on the AOS. What's the chances you'd pull one or two of the worst case AOS's out of the AT side and stick it under the IG side to see how it responds? If anything the deck is stacked against the IG side if you were to do this. Subjecting those plants to different spectrum's and intensities may stress that plant(s) out even more. But at this point what can it hurt and I think it would be an interesting learning experience to see comparative reaction and recovery responses. Whadya think?
tags420
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^^^
Put your reading glasses on for this...
It is both far red or near inferred. But technically it is in the IR spectrum. 660 can't be IR, but 730 can be far-red...a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. haha
The biggest differences in yours and mine is the plant count. Yes your space is 5x5 but you only have 4 plants and I doubt they literally took up every inch from the start. For me with more plants that means more light required. For you half a plant could have strong intensity on part of a plant and the other half of it weaker...but as a whole, the plant is receiving good light. With mine, I will have whole plants that are at a disadvantage. And this is before the stretch and things will get much bigger. It is ok that it doesn't cover a 5x5...not too many lights really do. And how dose a rectangle put out a 5x5 square...what's up with all rectangle lights claim square coverage(hps, led, induction)...3x4 is what I would call the true flower foot print.
I never said anything about the PRF feature other than I run 12/12 so it won't matter much to me...but the 660 I benefit from and without it, induction is just a spiffed up floro. The reason I like/got the pontoon is to increase the red of the whole systems spectrum for flower...that's it. It is a fact that cannabis starts flowering at around 14.25hrs of light with 9.75dark naturally and this works even with hps. I run 12/12 and will not change. I don't believe that the extra 2hr is worth the weight(if it even makes a difference) and energy to run it. I will change my mind if I see some great results but as of now it is still being tested. And I run other forms of lights that don't have the IR feature and could possibly fuck the rest of my garden to test something...not happening. Even you are having trouble with the flip on 14/10 and went to 13/11(yes I know you might switch back to 14/10). I run things to their best potential for MY garden.
I know you have a negative view/interpretation about PAR and intensity... but power is power, and since I don't buy crap for my garden...more PAR intensity means more yield. I believe that giving my room the best light intensity is more important than coverage. So if it takes 2 to cover a 5x5 and produce good weight than that is what I want. My point/goal is to have a grow that performs with hps...then a little power saving is nice. So lowering it and using a mover would do that...and limit the negative effects you talk about, by keeping it in motion. If I add some AT's they will only be effecting about the last foot and the 4x4 will still be pretty much all IG. Hell I might just add more plants to extend it to 4x8 and make even more reason to put AT up too. I will keep an eye out for beaching when/if I drop the IG lower.
As for the AOS...it has nothing to do with lights...the jilly's got fucked too and they are pulling through great and are under AT's. Plus as we just discussed my IG room needs more light for all the babies and adding a bigger plant is doing the exact opposite of what I want. Not to mention the last thing AOS needs is more stress. I think the big lemons will show the IG just fine.
Last thought...
If I break down your human sleeping analogy to use 12/12, then the plants are actually getting lazier cause they start sleeping right away...not 2hr in. and thus seems like 14hrs dark to them when it is only 12. And if this were true then IG should make it clear that if not running 14/10 you are going to fuck up your crop and it will take forever to flip...but that doesn't actually happen...the flip speeds up when on 12/12 and also why I think the extended period is not necessary(or even better).
Other than the light schedule(in your opinion) I think that my IG room has the best potential to succeed. I have the strain dialed, soil characteristics known, biggest plants to start, intense pruning and canopy management, and 2 people running the grow.
Put your reading glasses on for this...
It is both far red or near inferred. But technically it is in the IR spectrum. 660 can't be IR, but 730 can be far-red...a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. haha
The biggest differences in yours and mine is the plant count. Yes your space is 5x5 but you only have 4 plants and I doubt they literally took up every inch from the start. For me with more plants that means more light required. For you half a plant could have strong intensity on part of a plant and the other half of it weaker...but as a whole, the plant is receiving good light. With mine, I will have whole plants that are at a disadvantage. And this is before the stretch and things will get much bigger. It is ok that it doesn't cover a 5x5...not too many lights really do. And how dose a rectangle put out a 5x5 square...what's up with all rectangle lights claim square coverage(hps, led, induction)...3x4 is what I would call the true flower foot print.
I never said anything about the PRF feature other than I run 12/12 so it won't matter much to me...but the 660 I benefit from and without it, induction is just a spiffed up floro. The reason I like/got the pontoon is to increase the red of the whole systems spectrum for flower...that's it. It is a fact that cannabis starts flowering at around 14.25hrs of light with 9.75dark naturally and this works even with hps. I run 12/12 and will not change. I don't believe that the extra 2hr is worth the weight(if it even makes a difference) and energy to run it. I will change my mind if I see some great results but as of now it is still being tested. And I run other forms of lights that don't have the IR feature and could possibly fuck the rest of my garden to test something...not happening. Even you are having trouble with the flip on 14/10 and went to 13/11(yes I know you might switch back to 14/10). I run things to their best potential for MY garden.
I know you have a negative view/interpretation about PAR and intensity... but power is power, and since I don't buy crap for my garden...more PAR intensity means more yield. I believe that giving my room the best light intensity is more important than coverage. So if it takes 2 to cover a 5x5 and produce good weight than that is what I want. My point/goal is to have a grow that performs with hps...then a little power saving is nice. So lowering it and using a mover would do that...and limit the negative effects you talk about, by keeping it in motion. If I add some AT's they will only be effecting about the last foot and the 4x4 will still be pretty much all IG. Hell I might just add more plants to extend it to 4x8 and make even more reason to put AT up too. I will keep an eye out for beaching when/if I drop the IG lower.
As for the AOS...it has nothing to do with lights...the jilly's got fucked too and they are pulling through great and are under AT's. Plus as we just discussed my IG room needs more light for all the babies and adding a bigger plant is doing the exact opposite of what I want. Not to mention the last thing AOS needs is more stress. I think the big lemons will show the IG just fine.
Last thought...
If I break down your human sleeping analogy to use 12/12, then the plants are actually getting lazier cause they start sleeping right away...not 2hr in. and thus seems like 14hrs dark to them when it is only 12. And if this were true then IG should make it clear that if not running 14/10 you are going to fuck up your crop and it will take forever to flip...but that doesn't actually happen...the flip speeds up when on 12/12 and also why I think the extended period is not necessary(or even better).
Other than the light schedule(in your opinion) I think that my IG room has the best potential to succeed. I have the strain dialed, soil characteristics known, biggest plants to start, intense pruning and canopy management, and 2 people running the grow.