Tail of the Fox? Check in with my grow. foxtailing, nutrient questions

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I got my loupe today.
My suggestion to "newbies" (such as myself) is to not wait until harvest to get a loupe. I've never seen the tricomes at 60X and I don't have much to compare them to. My conclusion is that the tricomes on the largest buds at the center of the lamp are partly cloudy and those at the front are clear. I'll monitor daily.

Watered last night. Also I raised the light a couple of inches, about 450-500umoles at canopy.

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Peace ✌ Pipe

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You really have to be careful with the advice here and elsewhere online in general. LED lighting changes everything and you actually get to utilize warmer temps due to maximum photosynthesis taking place with leaf temp surfaces of 85f. And btw- these lights will bring out the genetic traits such as the classic fox tail and more when you have the environment dialed in along with the plants. It's not necessarily always a negative thing besides aesthetics, just as its not always stress induced.. You have done a great job, I'd be more worried about the drying and curing stages ahead more than anything else from here out.
 
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Peace ✌ Pipe said:
You really have to be careful with the advice here and elsewhere online in general. LED lighting changes everything and you actually get to utilize warmer temps due to maximum photosynthesis taking place with leaf temp surfaces of 85f. And btw- these lights will bring out the genetic traits such as the classic fox tail and more when you have the environment dialed in along with the plants. It's not necessarily always a negative thing besides aesthetics, just as its not always stress induced.. You have done a great job, I'd be more worried about the drying and curing stages ahead more than anything else from here out.
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Yes be careful here and elsewhere. Maximum photosynthesis with leaf temps of 85? For real? And you want to avoid high temps in late flower.
 
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Aqua Man said:
Yes be careful here and elsewhere. Maximum photosynthesis with leaf temps of 85? For real? And you want to avoid high temps in late flower.
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Obviously you are not familiar with the Led lighting that is being utilized by the op. These are nothing like a hp light and have no infrared heat stress to contend with, hence the ideal being leaf surface temperature of 85 which can be obtained with lower ambient temperature then most realize depending upon lighting configuration. I keep my plants on average around 18" from the quantum boards with leaf temp surfaces averaging 82/85 with room temps ranging from 79/88 and after thirty years of infrared radiation from sodium lamps I could never return to the burn and the burdens of maintaining larger grows with sodium bulbs..
 
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Peace ✌ Pipe said:
Obviously you are not familiar with the Led lighting that is being utilized by the op. These are nothing like a hp light and have no infrared heat stress to contend with, hence the ideal being leaf surface temperature of 85 which can be obtained with lower ambient temperature then most realize depending upon lighting configuration. I keep my plants on average around 18" from the quantum boards with leaf temp surfaces averaging 82/85 with room temps ranging from 79/88 and after thirty years of infrared radiation from sodium lamps I could never return to the burn and the burdens of maintaining larger grows with sodium bulbs..
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I'm quite familiar with LED i grow with an HLG-600 that provides no IR. You have your numbers all mixed around which tells me you are either BSing or newer to using them. You say your leaf temps are around 82/85 and your room temps are 79/88??? without IR how is this possible?

Here is how it works. LED's without IR do not provide the warming effect of the leaf that HID lighting does. So while under HID lighting leaf temps are usually 2-3F cooler than your ambient temperature. With LED's lacking IR this warming effect of the IR is not present and in turn your leafs teamps are much cooler 5-8F usually depending on fans used for circulation and airflow. So what do LED growers do to bring leaf temps to 75F (the actual ideal leaf temp for photosynthesis not 85F) we raise the ambient temps to account for this. anywhere from 80F-85F depending on how much cooling through evaporation is happening naturally and forced though fan placement and speed. Personally I run 80F until i switch to flower and up my Co2 but thats another story.

The reason leaves are always cooler than ambient temps is due to evaporation. So the numbers you gave shows you either are new and have it backwards or you are just plain out BSing you have experience with it.

Does that explain it a bit better?

You are using an IR thermometer to check leaf temps correct? Not just just measuring the temp at the canopy? If so you need to move your thermometer... Just a thought
 
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Patricf1 said:
I like your grow calendar. I appended columns to the regular FF chart....but the page isnt wide enough to go beyond 8/9 weeks.
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Thanks. I love spreadsheets! You should see my budget... I've been using the same one sine August of 2004. Back when I carried revolving debt I'd enter a value of how much money I'd allocate to debt reduction for a particular month and the formulas would calculate which credit card would get minimum payment and which would get the remaining applied to principle. At a glance I could tell what month I'd have each card paid off. My wife hates it though, she can't understand but to me it's super easy.
We don't do debt anymore though, except the house- so the spreadsheet is not as complex anymore.
 
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.RootDown said:
Thanks. I love spreadsheets! You should see my budget... I've been using the same one sine August of 2004. Back when I carried revolving debt I'd enter a value of how much money I'd allocate to debt reduction for a particular month and the formulas would calculate which credit card would get minimum payment and which would get the remaining applied to principle. At a glance I could tell what month I'd have each card paid off. My wife hates it though, she can't understand but to me it's super easy.
We don't do debt anymore though, except the house- so the spreadsheet is not as complex anymore.
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Haha ...geek!
Kidding, man. Thats awesime. :)
 
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When I chopped I removed most of the large fan leaves, but some remained. I expected it would be ok hanging for five to seven days, but last night when I checked the tent had a hay smell. The buds felt dry to the touch but the stems were still bendy with no snapping.
I performed my trim and found the hay smell was only the leaves. The buds smell fine once separated. They're all jarred and curing has begun!

I ended up with seven ounces. I don't know how much weight will be lost during final dry/cure, but I was pretty happy overall. Most of the buds are tight/compact, and while still feel spongy (shape returns after being squeezed) there is a definite crunchy feeling. They feel like they're coated in sugar like a fried donut.

7oz, 150W = 1.3g per Watt
I hope it smokes well!
 
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.RootDown said:
When I chopped I removed most of the large fan leaves, but some remained. I expected it would be ok hanging for five to seven days, but last night when I checked the tent had a hay smell. The buds felt dry to the touch but the stems were still bendy with no snapping.
I performed my trim and found the hay smell was only the leaves. The buds smell fine once separated. They're all jarred and curing has begun!

I ended up with seven ounces. I don't know how much weight will be lost during final dry/cure, but I was pretty happy overall. Most of the buds are tight/compact, and while still feel spongy (shape returns after being squeezed) there is a definite crunchy feeling. They feel like they're coated in sugar like a fried donut.

7oz, 150W = 1.3g per Watt
I hope it smokes well!
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Usually about 25%of the wet weight. But since they are partially dried for a week I would say your probably close to the dry already.
 
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