Terpinator

since1991 said:

Then i wouldnt use it again for what it costs. If your not sure....dont use ANY product on them shelves again is my philosophy. Ive used damn near everything on them shelves over the years too. I would buy a jug...use it on some section of the crop or a few crops over time....amd scratch my head thinking does ot work or not. With that inconclusive result...i move on.

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Its that one batch of terpinator treated chemdog I had, could not believe the smell. Had a bag of it and everybody around me was making comments like "somebody has good stuff".. etc.. That smell just ooozed everywhere!. I'm kinda stuck on those comments.

I'm kinda more commercial these days, and I do more strains/clones than flowers so.. I dont really need or want terp anymore. The Citrus Sap(gg4xtangie) needs no help in the terpene department... I woudnt run terpinator on that or any additive whatsoever.

But for shits and giggles I might..

GrowerGoneWild said:

I somewhat agree and disagree with this statement..

MSDS does list potassium sulfate, but I could never figure out the rest of the ingredients, I tasted terpinator, and it was not sweet.. I dont think any kind of sucrose/fructose/molasses or sugar is in the mix. You need back up this statement saying you tested terpinator with benedicts solution, or some other sugar test.

But going off the G.A on the label you could mix the same nutrient profile with technical grade chemicals.

I generally thought it worked, and it was somewhat strain dependent, and if your base nutrient has enough sulfur, you generally do not need anymore sulfur.

But its _expensive_ I could not justify the cost when running close to 100 gallons of hydroponic solution.

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There is a thread that shows how to make ur own. Says it's just potassium sulfate.

GrowerGoneWild said:

Because I suspect something else like jasmonates could be in the mix, I dunno the price to deformulate is around 15K USD. My experience with KSO4 vs terpinator wasn't exactly the same. And rhizoflora got really defensive when I asked about what was in it, just wanted to make sure that flowers grow with it wont fail a test for residuals like PGR's or whatever they put in it in addition to KSO4.

The thread is to discuss terpinator.. why are you here if you got it all figgured out?

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I'm trying to help people out, maybe save some new grower some money and avoid the pitfalls and some of the unessesary expense of this business.

Unlike some who feel a need to perpetuate the mystique of snake oil salesman.

You assume there are PGRs, we'll like I said guess what. You aren't ever going to find out. Short of buying a gas chromatograph or paying to have it reversed, your best bet is to just not use it. This product has been on the market for years and we don't have this information yet, I doubt someone is going to walk into this thread anytime soon with a gas chromatagraph with an output of this compound.

My personal belief is there isn't PGRs or jasmonates, jasmonates stink and are pretty hard to mask. And i didnt notice any plant morphology when I used it that would suggest PGRs. But ya that's just my opinion, but you go right on ahead believing is some mystical secret sauce, have fun with that.

Rhizoflora got upset when you asked them because it's in their best interest to hide the fact it only costs them 2$ to create a 60$jug of product.

Resinhound said:

I'm trying to help people out, maybe save some new grower some money and avoid the pitfalls and some of the unessesary expense of this business.

Unlike some who feel a need to perpetuate the mystique of snake oil salesman.

You assume there are PGRs, we'll like I said guess what. You aren't ever going to find out. Short of buying a gas chromatography or paying to have it reversed, your best bet is to just not use it. This product has been on the market for years and we don't have this information yet, I doubt someone is going to walk into this thread anytime soon with a gas chromatagraph with an output of this compound.

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*slow clap*

I'm not perpetuating any myth, I've used it, seen some results.. and I understand the basic components, way before any copycat formula was posted to RIU.

And yet you push the unproven idea that Terpinator is in fact just brown sugar and K2SO4 from somebody else's formula so you formulate "snake oil" . That's perpetuating a myth without knowing whats actually in it. Without any proof of other compounds, that could be an aid in flowering or resin production, K2SO4 mixes clear.. would be nice to know what else is in the bottle even if its just dyes and flavorings, because you dont know or I for that matter, I think it calls for more research.

You dont need to buy a GC, just rent the service, I might have gotten a high estimate for the fertilizer deformulation, when all I really wanted was a peek at the ingredients. At the very least somebody with access to reagents test Terpinator for sugars.

Resinhound said:

My personal belief is there isn't PGRs or jasmonates, jasmonates stink and are pretty hard to mask. And i didnt notice any plant morphology when I used it that would suggest PGRs. But ya that's just my opinion, but you go right on ahead believing is some mystical secret sauce, have fun with that.

Rhizoflora got upset when you asked them because it's in their best interest to hide the fact it only costs them 2$ to create a 60$jug of product.

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Its not about secret sauce.. just wanting to find out whats in it. Do I expect to find the holy grail within the bottle.. I do not, I'm very neutral in all of this. Just looking for an answer without bias.

GrowerGoneWild said:

Its not about secret sauce.. just wanting to find out whats in it. Do I expect to find the holy grail within the bottle.. I do not, I'm very neutral in all of this. Just looking for an answer without bias.

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Then go pay your 15$ and have the test done if it's so damn simple. Lol.

Post the results, Mr. Neutral.

Resinhound said:

Then go pay your 15$ and have the test done if it's so damn simple. Lol.

Post the results, Mr. Neutral.

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That is the point to find the facts, not to rely on bro-science. The problem is you have already made your mind up without facts. All I know for sure is Terpinator is Potassium Sulfate (from MSDS and G.A) and and its concentration is one ingredient. I do not know all the other ingredients, and neither do you.

Who said it was a 15$ test...?.. Its 15,000$ to deformulate. Avomeen's quote to me. Too spendy for me, thats like a few years supply of terpinator.! Wanna split it?..

Who came up with terpinator having brown sugar in it ? Seems plausible. Iam staying out of this back and forth...but would just like to know the brown sugar part of it???

since1991 said:

Who came up with terpinator having brown sugar in it ? Seems plausible. Iam staying out of this back and forth...but would just like to know the brown sugar part of it???

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Heh, yeah.. its getting petty.. Its all good..

I guess Dr Who and somebody else made the knockoff, its possible, but just looking at the proposed mix, it would not yield the same color as Terpinator.. Perhaps just added for coloring..? You have to follow the dose ratio of 10-30 ml a gallon so is that little sugar having any effect?.. I would have guessed malt syrup instead of brown sugar because it smells like apricot, but is not sweet. But some carbohydrates are not sweet. But its just a guess.

Ya it's getting pretty dumb. We can sit here and debate wether this shit has magic in it or not all day, bottom line no one is gonna pay that kind of money to reverse engineer something like this.

When we hear hooves we can either think zebras or horses..

Personally I'll continue to think horses until it gets proven otherwise, in the mean time I'll continue to use a cheap alternative.

If it DOES contain PGRs like you say, they would probably have to be declared in order to sell it in some states. Some states consider them unregulated pesticides.

Terpinator works! It's freakin nuts actually. I've been using it for almost 2 years. My weed (same strains) as my commercial friend was way stickier n stinkier then his. So he started using it too. Mind you, he uses AN & I use TechNaFlora. AN's way better.
It's not snake oil. It's primarily Limenade. Something the plants already produce but in allot less amounts.
I was skeptical when I first bought it too. NPK ratios were like 0-0-0 or some shit.
Guy at the store said give it a whirl, you won't regret it. He was right.
The add for Trpinator says "Sticky is an understatement". They're not kidding.
It helped me to grow what everyone in my state calls the best weed around.
I suggest using it. As far as it being bad for you, I highly doubt it.

Hybridway said:

Terpinator works! It's freakin nuts actually. I've been using it for almost 2 years. My weed (same strains) as my commercial friend was way stickier n stinkier then his. So he started using it too. Mind you, he uses AN & I use TechNaFlora. AN's way better.
It's not snake oil. It's primarily Limenade. Something the plants already produce but in allot less amounts.
I was skeptical when I first bought it too. NPK ratios were like 0-0-0 or some shit.
Guy at the store said give it a whirl, you won't regret it. He was right.
The add for Trpinator says "Sticky is an understatement". They're not kidding.
It helped me to grow what everyone in my state calls the best weed around.
I suggest using it. As far as it being bad for you, I highly doubt it.

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Terpinator is not 0-0-0. It has a known K content that's significant . I think it's 0-0-4, highly dilute.

Limonene (the terpene) is in Terpinator? That would explain a bit actually.

since1991 said:

Limonene (the terpene) is in Terpinator? That would explain a bit actually.

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Ofc it begs the question again, how do we know this? Personally it seems far fetched to me, there is no laboratory anywhere synthesizing these compounds (terpenes) and an extraction process would be stupidly expensive. That being said I highly doubt this is the case... Lemon oil or some nonsense maybe... Actual Limonene? Pretty far fetched.

Resinhound said:

Ofc it begs the question again, how do we know this? Personally it seems far fetched to me, there is no laboratory anywhere synthesizing these compounds (terpenes) and an extraction process would be stupidly expensive. That being said I highly doubt this is the case... Lemon oil or some nonsense maybe... Actual Limonene? Pretty far fetched.

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Limonene is in alot of stuff. Doesnt require expensive synthesis at all.

since1991 said:

Limonene is in alot of stuff. Doesnt require expensive synthesis at all.

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Ok then. Your right, it's used in cosmetics, commercial cleaners and paint strippers.

Resinhound said:

Ya it's getting pretty dumb. We can sit here and debate wether this shit has magic in it or not all day, bottom line no one is gonna pay that kind of money to reverse engineer something like this.

When we hear hooves we can either think zebras or horses..

Personally I'll continue to think horses until it gets proven otherwise, in the mean time I'll continue to use a cheap alternative.

If it DOES contain PGRs like you say, they would probably have to be declared in order to sell it in some states. Some states consider them unregulated pesticides.

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Prolly, mebby, could be.. not exactly fact. Its getting reversed engineered as we speak, thats what RIU users are attempting to do. There are reagents that could be use to test for carbohydrate/sugars in the formula. In a way you dont need HPLC to test certain parts of the formula. I dont think its "magical" or special.. but it does have some positive effect on certain strains.. Ease up on the drama a bit... I'm hear to learn not try to burn you down.

Never said once that you should use Terpinator over a homebrew formula. What I'm saying is only a part of the RIU formula is actually proven, the other part is not.. I did the same thing and switched to generic formulas, just spiking my tanks with raw potassium sulfate.

Never said it contains PGR's But its possible, Im curious to see if terpinator treated stuff will fail a tox screen, History has proven that some of these flower boosters they have sneaked in certain PGR's without it being listed. Some "extracts" contain high amounts of hormones, that have PGR like effects.

since1991 said:

Limonene (the terpene) is in Terpinator? That would explain a bit actually.

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Sure.. Hops has all kinds of terpenes.. hop extract in the mix?..

GrowerGoneWild said:

Neither product is similar to terpinator, not even sure why you posted it in the thread.

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lol it is pretty much the same lol do u no how to read stuff on a bottle or do i need to get the crayons out ? ozzy tonic is a bud inhance with a resin treatment like terpinato if u wanna get tetnical about it atomic also has vital sugars and resins builders as well or one i did forget to post is is juicey or also u have cha ching from fox farm or resonator from cyco which all do

• You can use juicey/ cyco resonator during the entire life cycle of the plant.
• Vegetating phases of growth: Add 5-10 ml per gallon of water.
• Reproduction and fruit set stages of growth: Add 10-30 ml per gallon of water.
• Compatible with any brand of fertilizer products
• build oils for aromatic and flavor
• builds resin glands /Derived from Potassium sulfate
• builds oils terpenoids, and compounds that contain very interesting odor molecules

GrowerGoneWild said:

Sure.. Hops has all kinds of terpenes.. hop extract in the mix?..

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HAPPY NOW ? i sell this shit for a living mate terp is just another money maker to be honest were for half the price u can get the same product with out the fancy words that do the same thing terp =154$ for 4 ltrs juicey /ozzy tonic/cyco=20 bucks up to 40