Thc Garden

youngdog

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This is my medical grow. Ive got so far white rhino, white siberian, moby dick, vanilla kush, norther lights, ice currently growing. Ive got some seeds germinating also that are more white rhino, vanilla kush, ice, norther lights, blue widow. The first set are growing in soiless and the second set are going into a flood table. all them are started from seed from attitude seed bank. so far so good everything is growing great. O yeah i forgot to mention the fruit auto i have growing in the areogarden. These are grown under a 1000 watt light. The auto is under 4 85 watt cfls and the flood table has a 600 watt light. Ive never grow from seed befor but so far they are much healthier and they just look better more bushy. any how here is some pics let me know what ya think and advise is always welcome here.

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Jozikins

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Hell yeah dude, they are all looking way healthy. I hope everything goes your way this time, you have some killer strains. I have one of those fruit auto flowers on my way to my house right now actually. I read the THC content is real low on that particular strain, but who cares, cheap and fast buds. Only advise I have for you is to rotate your plants every now and then, I can see some are getting used to growing closed to the fan, while others are getting comfortable stretching out in the corners of your garden.

Other than that, everything looks perfect. Good luck dude.
 

youngdog

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yeah its like 6-12 % but honestly it was a free seed and its growing really fast. I didnt think about that being a factor with the streching those vannila kushs are doing. Ima move them near the fan tonight. thanks i need luck on my side after last time.
 

Jozikins

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Seriously, that is why I'm going to grow it out, it's going to be a happy healthy plant and give me buds real fast. I'm going to germ her and stick her outside the second she gets here and sprouts. I've been wanting to try ruderalis for a long while, and I don't mind starting with a low THC freebie. It's almost like a science project, haha.

Vanilla Kush does get her stretch on, she stretches by a notable bit, but keeping her in front of the fan will keep her bushy and short, as she looks to be getting plenty of light.

I'll wish you all the luck in the world bro, but with rock solid genetics like you have, you don't need luck. Seeds give you a much better chance of success in my opinion.

By the way, those are getting huge for veg, you should probably transplant and flower pretty soon. You are definitely going to need 7 gal buckets. The big square 5 gal pots for flood and drain systems actually hole 6.5 gal of soiless easily, and 7gal if you feed a little more slowly. The nice thing about them is that they hold much more volume, but dont take up much more foot print than a 5 gal circular pot. I fucking love them, durable as hell.
 

youngdog

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I was thinking that I should flower them starting Monday. I have them in 3 gallon buckets right now I wasnt sure if they would be fine in these buckets or if i should transplant them. Im guess by your previous statement transplanting them is the way to go. yeah the taller ones are at 20 inches the shorter ones are at 13 inches i was trying to let the short get to 15 inches at least but the big ones dont wanna slow down. so im being forced to flower. these genetics seem to be great. Im throuly impressed and may never buy clones again. I might clone off my seed grown plants but thats it. That fruit auto is accualy geting very tall I thought they only got around 2 ft max this sucker just started flowering 10 days ago and its already 30 inches. and it might be me but when i sniff it i think i smell grapefruit slightly.
 

Jozikins

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Ruderalis can get up to 3.5ft tall, and I've heard of some newer crosses get up to 4ft. Ruderalis looks to be the future in commercial cannabis horticulture. I bet it's starting to smell good.

If you are in 3 gal pots you really have to transplant. 5 gal pots won't give your plants much more room to work with than they have now, so 7 gal is probably your best option, or the 5 gal hydropots. I had 2 plants in those with exactly 7 gal of soil in each and they were great, but those got freaking huge and I put them in 10 gal pots and scrogged them. I'm about 3 weeks into that.

Anyways, those plants are going to be huge by the end of this, so don't worry about some of them being to small right now. You can either elevate short plants up on blocks, or transplant the short plants higher in the soil, and then transplant the large plants lower in the soil.
 

youngdog

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hell yeah im working on geting new pots atm. htg has the 7 gallons 10 pack for 30 bucks. Im just wondering how much soil do i need to go from 3 gallons to 7 gallons prolly the 3.8 cu ft promix bag im thinking. The seeds i put in the flood table have all sprouted so my grow is finnaly geting completly started. ive got 18 plants total.
 

Jozikins

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2-3 of those bags should do it for 15 plants. I just filled 5 buckets with 6.5 gals of soiless, and 6 5 gal buckets with 6 gal of soiless. It's all still dry, so it will compact down to less, but that is also amended with 11 gal of Vermiblend soil amendment, and 5.5 gallons of hygromite, because I had a bunch of hygromite laying around, lol, and I like the added benefit potassium silicate, but it raises your pH as well, so be careful if you interested in spending a bitch-load of money on hygromite. But all together I made up 68.5 gal which will fill 10 7 gal pots nicely with.... 6.85 gal of soil each, dur. lol.

At least I think that is what it all turned out to be. These are, once again, dry measurements. But you should get roughly 50 gal of soil out of each bail of Promix. I use sunshine mix and get all my goodies from the Vermiblend, which is only 11 bucks at my favorite hydro store, but 18-28 bucs online for the same 1 cu.ft bag, shit. But the bag amends 2 whole bales of Promix/Sunshine Mix #4. I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. Some of my plants love it, the weaker ones do not like it. Long story on the weaklings.

Anyways, I probably wouldn't play around with soil amendments yet, unless you need to stretch just a few more gallons of soil to save a buck, but be careful with it, although your larger plants should be fine. But be careful not to feed the plants anything they are already getting from the amendment.

I don't remember if you said if they are all fem? Because you don't want to spend a lot of money on males.

On the plus side you can re use soiless mix if treated, which is pretty easy to do. Some people don't even really treat it, they just let it dry out and sift out the roots, and rinse it when they presoak the pots.
 

youngdog

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so far they are all fem. I have the sunshine #4 in right now. Im not sure what im gonna do. I have to start these in flowering tommorow they are geting way to big.
 

Jozikins

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Go to a hydroponics shop and load up, I know there are a few up there in Michigan. All Sunshine Mix needs is some mycorrhizae and you can add that with any cheap liquid fertilizer promising to "reduce watering" and it's also available in powder forms of course. You don't need to spend any extra money on ecto mycorrhizae, that is really for trees and shrubs that have been around for a while. Endo mycorrhizae will do everything you need it to do in your indoor garden and you may save some money. perennials can get benefit from both endo and ecto, but annuals only get benefit from endo. Remember for "Indo-or'" gardening we use endo mycorrhizae.

And if they have promix down at your local garden center, nursery, or hydro shop, that saves you all that trouble. They actually sell some soiless mix that is really really good at my local Ace Hardware nursery.


And my math was all off, I did not take account that I am going from rooting plugs and half gallon pots too 7 gal pots, while you are going from 3 gal pots to 7 gal pots. Go ahead and subtract 35 gallons from the total amount of soiless you need. So looks like 2 bales should fill you up just fine. 1 bale, will give you 3.46 gal per pot, so if you actually have 3.5 gal pots you are good to go with just 1 bale, but if you have 3 gal pots you will need a bale and a half. They do sell half bales in a lot of places, if you have the money just get a full one though because you save money in the end, and time. Either way you will have 6.5 gal of soil for each and that should be good enough!

I also just realized I prepared several 3 and 5 gal pots with this bale before starting this most recent transplant. So you should have over 50 gal of, soil, so EVERYTHING I SAID MEANS NOTHING! haha. Yep, so It could be more like 60 or 70 gal o soil. Sooooo.... I would just grab another bale really quickly today and see if that cuts the mustard. It should.
 

Jozikins

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Cool, it'll be indoors by the earthworm castings. If not, it might be outdoors on the racks. But I've only seen it indoors. Usually not to far from all the seed packets and liquid fertilizer/pesticides area.

I can't remember what it's called, but when you see the packaging it is unmistakeable what it is. You may only find half bales or 1/3 bales on the shelf though.

Lol, I just found a few more 5 gal buckets of ammended soiless from the same bale laying around. I think 3.8 cu.ft will be plenty. Lol. Next time I'll take a little more care when measuring out my whole process and to note how much is missing or if it's a new bale.
 

youngdog

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I am going to get the 5 gallon pots on second thought. and Im looking at this roots orgainic 707 3 cu. ft. bag for soil. I just got hit with a huge cell phone bill and i cant afford much more. but i figure 5 gallon pots will be better than what i got now. also i only have my 3 gallon pots 2/3s full so it will definetly help. life is a bitch when it comes to bills. but w/e.
 

Jozikins

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It happens. Believe me I am all to familiar with the situation. I bought some of that stuff at Ace's today, they only carry 1cu.ft in the store anyways, for 3.8cu.ft bales I would need to place an order, and I forgot to ask how much that would be. Lol, I was stoned, of course. 5 gal pots are better than no pots. I've grown some three or four foot monsters in 5 gal pots before, they got rootbound like a mother fucker, but I still pulled one hell of a harvest off of them. The stuff at Ace's is called Growers Gold Indoor Potting Soil. It's really great stuff, very nice to work with. I will probably just stick with it because Ace's is closer to me than any major hydroponics shop. I have a little tiny shop up here on the hill, but he can't give me the same prices. I understand why, so I try and buy some things from him to support the local business. I actually buy a lot from him.

Roots Organic 707 is good stuff, but I must warn you: insist on inspecting the bag for fungus gnats before purchasing! That 707 is well known for having fungus gnats, I've gotten hit hard by it before because of that stuff. If you don't see any gnats around the bag or fly out of the bag upon opening it, it is probably okay to take home. But make sure you have a bottle of Neem handy.
 

youngdog

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o wow i will probably just go over to a different store that carries the 2.8 "loose bail" of the promix its the same price as the 707. I accidentally droped a fan on one of the ladies and bent the top to the point is half way broke. which is not a big deal other than i wanted to be in flower. Im worried if i flower now i will stress it to much and end up with a hermie. Ive been hearing alot of people say fem seeds produce alot of hermies. so i dont wanna risk it. Im thinking this will heal up in less than a week then i can flower. hopefully these suckers dont get over 4 ft or im screwed on space. anyhow thanks for the info on ace.
 

Jozikins

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It will totally heal. If it didn't tear it'll stand up almost straight again, if it did tear it may die or just heal itself in the position it is in. However, I have had plants tear like that and still healed and stood up straight, even though I didn't want them too, I was happy with the accidental super cropping. Last night I dropped a potted seedling on a vegging clone and ripped his top few branches off. I just went ahead and topped it as I was transplanting him, and in a few days he will be a bush monster. Which is good, because I don't have the space to grow these Blue Dreams as single stock, they get fucking huge.

I would go for the promix bag. But hey, Sunshine Mix is only 30-40 bucks for a whole 3.8cu.ft compressed bail. And that is going to prevent you from having to run back out to the hydro store while in mid-transplant.
 

youngdog

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it didnt tear only bent. its leaning a little but it will heal. these should be ok to veg for another week. im waiting for this to heal then i need to give them at least 5 days after i transplant. Im considering transplanting them now except that one and just leaving it in the 3 gallon. its a shorter plant anyhow. if i transplant into 5 gallon pots does that mean my plants will be around 5 ft no matter what or is that a max. cause im kinda limited to 4 ft. im hoping all these plants only double in size. or i might have to tie some back to keep them off the light.
 

Jozikins

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5ft would be horrifically root bound, I would most certainly hope that nobody tries to grow plants 5ft tall in 5 gallon buckets. 4ft should be the max as long as you don't let them get out of hand. If you have to, transplant and flower on the same day. It's not the best for the plants, but they will most certainly root and fill in the entire pot before the 3rd week of flower. As long as you are delicate during transplant and do it right, then your plants should never even know they were transplanted in the first place. Give the one you have 2 days to heal, then transplant. If you don't want to wait 5 days, give it 2 - 4 days. Just long enough to see if they are in shock at all.

Put a garden net over them and train them back with that. Like a really weak scrog where you only pull down the branches that will become problematic. Some plants will only grow 1/3 in size if they lean a little heavy on the indica or afghanica side.
 

youngdog

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almost all my plants are pure indicas i only got one thats 50/50 and the rest are either 90 or 100 % so i should be ok i also can grab a net and throw it in if things get to bad. also have you used the grow bags befor they are really cheap compared to buying pots.
 

Jozikins

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Fuck grow bags. I hate them! If you are willing to deal with all the issues of grow bags, you should go with smart-pots to at least get some benefit. But in general, unless you are trying to pack 50 plants into a 4x8 space, I do not suggest grow bags, ever.
 
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