The Attitude: Emerald Triangle Seeds

I purchased Lost Coast OG from The Attitude Seed bank (Whose service I love btw ^_^) under the new seed company, Emerald Triangle seeds.

3 weeks since germ and I am confused by the seeds already. All 6 plants are in an ebb and flow system, same germ date, same reservoir. Every single plant is not only growing at vastly different rates, the leaves are not the same shape (some look thinner and thus more sativa), heights range from 2 inches (horribly runted for some reason) to 10 inches, also different signs of nutrient deficiencies among half of them.

My prize of the six has 300% the leaf mass of the2nd place plant, is half the height of the tall lanky one, and shows absolutely no sign of nutrient deficiency (perfect specimen).

The tallest (10 incher) has the thinner fan leaves (looks more sativa for some reason) and every few days looks like it has a different nutrient deficiency but has not had any nute burn. One day the tips of all the leaves were yellow, then the tips were green but the base and outwards was turning yellow, some leaves started curly funny (usually a pH stress indicator). Now though, it shows no sign of yellowing, what was previous yellow is now green.

Between these 2 plants, the width of leaves is very dramatic, the tall one is much more light green (sativa quality) and the leafy one is very dark (indica sexiness). Very different reactions to the same nutes/ph/ec/light schedule/flooding times


Now shouldn't a seed company advertising a strain make sure that their strain is IBL (Inbred Line)? Has anyone else experienced such dynamic differences from the same strain from the same company? Is there a chance seeds got mixed together and I got a random batch? Anyone else have experience with this company before I flame their name? haha

This is not my first grow, I have experiences in soil, DWC and aquaponic systems. (God if only half the "organic" hydro farmers on here knew the extreme joy of Cannabis in an aged aquaponic system.

This is however my first ebb/flow system and I am doing my best to mimic Al B. Fuct (because I love his amount of sense while reading his posts so therefore I shall learn from his experiences ) except my set up is on a smaller scale for a Medical Marijuana patient and their spouse who is also a patient.

i've never had the same strain grow with such noted differences from plant to plant, but i've heard about it a lot of times.. some companies that i've read about will even tell you that the packs may have a few different pheno's, but since they liked all of the pheno's, they left it like that so that the person who was growing them out could pick the pheno that they liked best..
it takes a lot of time to stabilize a strain, so maybe emerald triangle hasn't put in the time yet?? idk, i don't want to bad mouth them as i don't know too much about them, being there are a pretty new company and all, but maybe they thought that there were a few keeper pheno's in the pack, so they just kept it like that instead of stabilizing it down to just one particular pheno?? again, i'm not sure here, but this is only an intelligent guess on my part..
i've got a question for you though, did you buy a full pack of beans and have it come in the breeders pack and all, or did you happen to go with pick and mix and only get a few beans of the strain??

Where they reg or fem?

I purchased the breeder pack, 6 seeds nonfem. Yeah, I really wasn't sure what was going on, I've only grown Northern Lights and Blueberry from Nirvana, they were dead on.

Interesting insight suggesting they may have left some variation for personal preferences. They are new, although they claim to have been breeding for 2 decades, but I agree, I did not wanna go around saying they are crap until I had more info. The true test will be getting feedback from the final product.

There are alot of exceptional strains that are not IBL. Take serious seeds strains and mr nice for example, these breeders have excellent genetics. The Lost Coast OG is not advertised as an inbred strain, so I see nothing wrong with how its advertised. I dont have any experience with Emerald Triangle Seeds so maybe somebody else can comment on them. Also its not good to grow from seed in a multi-plant hydro system. Each seed will produce a different phenotype and they all have different nutrient requirements.

Good points, thank you blackjones. True, I guess I should have done more research. I was just enamored of their pain relieving attributes they claimed for the plant and this is what these people need. There has been no actual burn thankfully, they are just so sensitive. Also, since nonfem I expected to throw half of them away and with the perpetual harvest I have scheduled for them, they'll be able to either keep all the differences. Just have to spend more time teaching them the importance of properly labeling each plant in correlation to their clones, regardless of them being the same strain/breeder.

i can't remember the link to their site but it was pretty informative. I think from what I remember though, they said all their strains were f4s or something. The problem is this is a 3 way hybrid so lets take a look at it.

Genetics: (Pakistani Kush x Lemon Thai) x Chemdawg #4
So even if lets say the lemon thai and pakistan kush were true breeding and homogenous, it's crossed with a chem #4 which is a bagseed of unknown genetics:

The Chem 4 clone was found from seeds started in 2006 from the original seed stock chemdog sent joebrand. joebrand stated the seeds chem sent him and out of them there was chem 1,2,3,4. the Chem 4 is what joebrand dubbed the Reunion pheno as it reminded him most of the original dogweed from crested butte.

You see it would almost impossible to expect this kind of hybrid to be truly stable. It would take years of work and even then there would likely be multiple phenos.

Lets say its ab x cd. ac, ad, bc and bd are possible combos just in the f1 generation. Then the f2 generation even more possibilities aa, ab, ac, ad, bb,bc, bd, cc,cd and dd. There will be dominant traits which will be much easier to select for and then their will be rare recessive genes that may or my not have been a trait of one of te original parents. Then, imagine that's just one pair of alleles that control one trait or w/e and you start to see the possibilities are endless. Generally breeders are going to choose for what they want the most so they may have selected for yield, or flowering time, or potency and all they can really manage is to be somewhat homogenous for the traits they chose for. From the sounds of it they chose for taste tat favors the chemdawg so that's how I would judge the stability not the overall look of the plant. At the end of the day, just hope there is some fire to be found and that it responds well to your indoor environment which is very different than the outdoor california climate they breed in. E.T. seeds seems like a pretty good new company though, don't get so hung up on stability, there are many variables because that is what allows species to evolve.

When I saw these dudes originally I sent them an email and they answered all sorts of question. Google their name and I'm sure you'll find a way to get ahold of them. Send them an email and report back tha details.

I'm so glad I posted this. I'm getting so many great responses! +1 to all of you ^_^ Breeding is something I am going to learn a lot more on, hasn't been very relevant but I'm interested and hope to contribute to this great community.